fictionfan
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Do we really need the empathy exalancy? We have already spent a lot of Essance on this.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
It is also a more benevolent variant of a Fomori, in oWoD. Because at some point, oWoD writers run out of things to name their splats with.
- Location
- Germany
Then the Yama Kings would be capital G Gods, which I think nobody wants to admit here.
While, I suppose, there's a chance of an ambush... We spent a third of our pool, a bit more. I don't see harm in it. Also @DragonParadox is learning how gods are born enough to regain essence? Or does this fall under "bind a creature of darkness into our service". I mean, it's not our service, but we did give it purpose, designed it from the ground up.
It would count as binding yeah, I'll cover that next update.
Yes, that is a workable synergy, though it does mean you will never be able to feel bone-deep hatred for whatever you choose to feel it with SSR in each burned instance.
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- ImBuda
But the intimacy the charm gives will repair itself or we will have to pay 1 Wp each time like if we had slayed our target???
It will repair itself at the end of the arc.
- Location
- Norway
Ehhh...Molly and the word god are in an odd position to say the least. On the one hand she does think of it in a Christian context, First Commandment, thou shall have no other Gods before me, but on the other hand she did not suddenly forget who is standing next to her, the daughter of a Death god, who wanted to be the Death god. Small g gods are just a thing you have to accept in Dresdenverse unless you want to play games with semantics, that would not make a lot of sense on the face of it
What do you call an immortal profoundly magical being with a conceptual portfolio that gathers strength from mortal worship?
Santa?
Well yes if you are talking about Odin, but beside that
IMO it's not that odd a position. It's an unusual position by contemporary standards, but historically, Christianity has had a lot more interaction with people who believed in many other small gods, and there's a lot of precedent for dealing with this that would probably be more relevant in the Dresdenverse than to contemporary Catholics.
Regarding other people's worship, there's room for opinions ranging from "You worship a powerless idol" to "You worship a spirit you're not supposed to" in Christianity, because the focus of the First Commandment as interpreted in all the major Christian traditions (AFAIK) is that there is one Lord, one Creator who has ordered the universe, one being who is the only proper recipient of worship.
A historical example is in Acts 17. TLDR: Paul goes to Athens, sees lots of idols and altars to various gods there, including one that says "To an Unknown God" which the Athenians might have put up in case they forgot one. So he uses it as a starting point for preaching: "Let me tell you about this God, who made the world and everything in it, and why that's the important one."
(Verse 18 is amusing to me in a way I feel the footnote doesn't entirely explain: some of the Athenians think Paul is preaching foreign gods, two of them, named Jesus and Anastasis/Anastasia, this being the word for rising-from-death. The Resurrection is extremely important to him.)
In more recent writings, here is a literal quote from the Catholic Catechism:
Bold mine.
So... Let's work this out. How to best ward Lydia's house. What is the most ridiculous thing I can come up with that's still in the realm of plauisble?
We have access to:
1) Harry Dresden. Has a lot of power (for a mortal), is "Starborn", whatever this is, and has Bob.
2) Lydia herself. Comes with Arawn's advice in her head, and a large library.
3) In principle Charity (she still has the talent, even if it's mostly ruined), or Michael, even if he's not a magic user himself.
4) Thomas Raith... White Court vampire with a very strong hunger (second after Lara's, according to wiki) and at least some magical talent, also a brother of Harry Dresden (this can be significant for the ritual crafting).
5) Mouse - a descendant of celestial lions, a minor guardian deity in his own right
6) Our own resources, like Usum, cyberdevils and such.
Let's see, how can we do this?
Harry, as the person with the highest practical knowledge of magic is going to be leading the ritual. We use Bob, and our knowledge of the cauldron we observed (in Bob doesn't have something better) to channel the power. We prepare the ritual circle using TTC, based on extended research roll by us, Bob, and Harry, using thematically appropriate materials for it... Since it's Lydia's house, and she's iron associated, it's probably going to be iron. We could probably extract a bit of iron from her, and maybe our blood to serve as the cornerstone. We use Mouse as the focus of the ritual, as he's most strongly associated with guarding the thresholds. If not mouse himself, than something of his, like a patch of fur, willingly given.
If we go with four participants (Harry, Lydia, Thomas and us), we either arrange to the sides of the compass, or accrding to seasons. If it's according to the side of the compass, then it would be logical to place Harry opposite of Thomas and Molly opposite of Lydia - connected people on the opposite sides (Harry to Thomas through their blood, us to Lydia through battle and essence). If it's according to seasons, then Lydia is Autumn (transition from life to death, her ancestry, plus her birthday), and Molly is winter. Thomas is probably summer ("summer of lust" being the association, albeit a weak one), leaving Harry for spring - this one I am unsure about. If we go with five people (with Michael('s sword) or someone else, like Mouse, being the fifth), we obviously arrange according to the pentagram, and probably eastern elements - Molly for water, Lydia for Earth or Metal, Harry for fire, Thomas for... wood probably. Not sure here.
SInce we are probably going for general defense arrangement... I think the "aim for the sky" goal would be to create a celestial lion. Using Mouse as a template, sorta kinda call to his ancestor to either summon and bind it, or to create something like it (the second one is probably better).
For the best chances, we probably do this at Halloween, if we can afford to delay that long. Maybe use some of the gossamer in the ritual.
We won't break 50 successes, but 30 might be possible here, and those would be on a far greater working.
fictionfan
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- Tempe, AZ
What amuses me about it is
God has done all this, so that we will look for him and reach out and find him. He isn't far from any of us, 28 and he gives us the power to live, to move, and to be who we are. "We are his children," just as some of your poets have said.
Which references Epimenides of Crete. However in the poetry in question the god is clearly named and the name in question is Zeus which tells me that quote mining for religious reasons isn't anything new.
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- They/Them
Nah, shunt the entire house into a mini-Elsewhere realm, and draw on Lydia's divine heritage to make her the god of that realm.
On the quality of Harry's canon wards, they're essentially an electric fence rated for Tyrannosaur. It is incredibly deadly, durable, and not especially sophisticated, it triggers on a very simple criteria that only works because he lives in a basement with only one access that nobody should be passing through without his knowledge, but for that same reason his wards are limited, he lives in a shared building and unintelligent wards cannot perform the IFF on the other tenants to provide wider protection.
They certainly could be improved, but this would be less "Add Ward Spirit, Profit" and more "Brainstorm entirely new wider ranged defensive schema permitted by having the ability to bind an evil spirit to do the IFF controls".
And in Harry's position, he'd rather take the risk to his personal safety than have an evil spirit supervise a ward that a lot of civilians will be interacting with.
They certainly could be improved, but this would be less "Add Ward Spirit, Profit" and more "Brainstorm entirely new wider ranged defensive schema permitted by having the ability to bind an evil spirit to do the IFF controls".
And in Harry's position, he'd rather take the risk to his personal safety than have an evil spirit supervise a ward that a lot of civilians will be interacting with.
The best way to improve Harry's security is to literally buy him a house wi try grounds so he can build in some defensive in depth including summoned creatures and automated lethal defences behind physical barriers that keep out civilians.
The problem is getting him to accept the money. Even with the limitations on Thresholds it'd still be an upgrade.
Is a least god like this spiritually significant enough to use VEE on? We could grant it a Cult or similar that way.
The problem is getting him to accept the money. Even with the limitations on Thresholds it'd still be an upgrade.
Is a least god like this spiritually significant enough to use VEE on? We could grant it a Cult or similar that way.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/They
IIRC nothing living can exist in Elsewhere, barring one Lunar charm (Hidden Den Prana?) that really shouldn't exist. If you want a divine realm you pretty much have to claim a spot in the Nevernever and dare any and all comers to come on if dey tink dey're 'ard enuff.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Molly: You saved me from Arctis Tor.
Harry: It's what I do, kid.
Molly: Well, I bought you a house. it's what I do.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
- Location
- ALSO SCREAMING.
Prior to the Babylonian Captivity the Abrahamic faith was fundamentally monolatrist rather than monotheist, recognizing the preeminence of El Shaddai over the other powers both in general and in regard to his people. Its like how you can be loyal to a king, and believing he is the best and most rightful king, without denying that there are other crowns out there. Israel and Judah were chosen of El, others had other patrons, and for the most part it was a whole bunch of 'okay, you do you' as long as you did it somewhere else. A lot of things were different and, early enough, God was depicted with a consort in the form of Asherah. It wasn't until Elijah when the faith started to go all in on strict monotheism.
What the truth is here, who knows. We might get the chance to get a better idea of God's actual policy on things is, on the truth of theology and history, via an angel at some point. But I don't think its too off the wall to think of a least god as just sharing a term with the Big G the same way the English House of Lords shares one. Its a thing of power... just not much power. Not versus something that arguably could pop the universe like a soap bubble by accident.
What the truth is here, who knows. We might get the chance to get a better idea of God's actual policy on things is, on the truth of theology and history, via an angel at some point. But I don't think its too off the wall to think of a least god as just sharing a term with the Big G the same way the English House of Lords shares one. Its a thing of power... just not much power. Not versus something that arguably could pop the universe like a soap bubble by accident.
Buy his existing place out from the current deedholders and just hand it to him as a Christmas present? I mean, at that point he has the choice of accepting the damn thing or paying us rent. And by definition letting us upgrade the crap out of the place because we are the landlord.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Maybe after the housing market crashes. It's just a few months.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
While it's non-canon, one insane Twilight managed to build a belt that let him enter Elsewhere so he could loot all the treasures hiding there.
He successfully got there! Only to find out that moving once there was impossible, leaving him stuck. Presumably he died and was spat out, because his head is later found wearing the same expression as the example of "Biological Weapons you can shoot from a catapult"
What I'm trying to say is "Elsewhere isn't a safe place to put stuff, better to just wait until Essence 3 when our own Hellrealm spontaneously retroactively was always existent."
fictionfan
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- Location
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I would be very happy to provide Harry a house in our kingdom, but he seems even less likely to accept that.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Physically focused... There actually aren't that many in Dresden files that aren't inherently small fry. All of the big names I can think of are caster types.
Fairly sure we beat vampires physically even without Shintai.
If we count our nuclear sword as part of our physical combat it isn't really a contest.
The Forrest People were the biggest strongest thing I can recall.
over nine feet tall, with muscles and strength to match. He is covered with gray hair, a strangely-shaped skull, a tree-trunk-sized neck and massive shoulders. His movements are agile and fast. Winter magic does not appear to have much effect on him.
But I would expect our sword to work well on him all the same and in Shintai we should be faster and more agile.
Also we can fly which none of them can.
But if you mean in terms of an arm wrestling match. Our Shintai is only strength 5. So as strong as the strongest human.
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It is, though keep in mind that giving it a dot of cult means a bunch of humans will suddenly get the urge to worship the thing in Apartment 4B. VEE does not care about the laws.