Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I was referencing the raksha itself,not fomor.

Okay, but that doesn't help. The whole point of what we're discussing here is how to make sure we don't spook her, the fomor are fishy, and we don't want to accidentally associate ourselves with that by having our first meeting in a place that is literally fishy. Saying "well, we're really referencing the raksha, not the fomor" doesn't really help that, because it's not relevant to anything Rose of Autumn might know unless she knew about the raksha, in which case we also very definitely don't want to spook her by accidentally associating ourselves with the raksha! Let's refrain from pulling a Dresden here and avoid intentionally doing things that might mess up people's first impressions of us for the sake of our own amusement, mm?

[X] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
-[X]Invite Michael and Lydia along, and tell Rose of Autumn beforehand
-[X]STUNT: Your dad holds open the door of the shawarma place as you follow Lydia inside, the chill of the room a pleasant counterpoint to the late August heat outside. You grab a table and sodas as Lydia looks over the menu, even as your dad excuses himself to use the bathroom. "Five minutes early, looks like." you announce quietly.
 
I was referencing the raksha itself,not fomor.
@Iny pretty much said everything I'd like to say.
I see no reason to take our dad with us in this. He is either an unknown, or he is the Fist of God.
Neither really helps the conversation for an average minor practicioner who would propably want to stay away from big deals that include Michael on a mission.
Rose of Autumn is sufficiently plugged in to the local supernatural scene to know that Dresden is now a Warden, despite Harry only becoming one last October.
I think its safe to assume she knows who Michael Carpenter is.

Dude has been doing the job for at least twenty years at this point, which is longer than Harry has lived in Chicago.
Opposing the Denarians is lowkey not his only tasking. Vampires, rogue sorcerers, predatory fae, ghosts and demons have all run afoul of the Fist of God.

He may not be Dresden-profile, but he isnt an unknown quantity.

And that means that if he's there, said minor practitioner will be assured that no harm will come to them at this meeting.
Given that Rose was pretty clearly afraid of the Pathfinders in our conversation, his presence is likely to have a calming effect, assuming Rose IS a minor practitioner.

Our father literally served the purpose of a guarantor for the monks back in Arc 1.
Its one of the things Knights do.


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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 24, 2022 at 1:08 AM, finished with 45 posts and 12 votes.

  • [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    -[X]Invite Michael and Lydia along, and tell Rose of Autumn beforehand
    -[X]STUNT: Your dad holds open the door of the shawarma place as you follow Lydia inside, the chill of the room a pleasant counterpoint to the late August heat outside. You grab a table and sodas as Lydia looks over the menu, even as your dad excuses himself to use the bathroom. "Five minutes early, looks like." you announce quietly.
    [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    -[x] Write in stunt: Mac's is accorded neutral ground which should help dispell any nerves also dispite being a pub primarily they do have a breakfast special on weekends so you don't need to worry about drinking.
    [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    -[X] Invite Lydia along as well.
    [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    -[X]Invite Michael and Lydia along, and tell Rose of Autumn beforehand
    -[X]STUNT: Your dad holds open the door of the seafood place as you follow Lydia inside, the chill of the room a pleasant counterpoint to the late August heat outside. You grab a table and sodas as Lydia looks over the menu, even as your dad excuses himself to use the bathroom. "Five minutes early, looks like." you announce quietly.
 
[x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
-[X]Invite Michael and Lydia along, and tell Rose of Autumn beforehand
-[X]STUNT: Your dad holds open the door of the shawarma place as you follow Lydia inside, the chill of the room a pleasant counterpoint to the late August heat outside. You grab a table and sodas as Lydia looks over the menu, even as your dad excuses himself to use the bathroom. "Five minutes early, looks like." you announce quietly.
 
Arc 4 Post 24: Touching Base
Touching Base

21th of August 2006 A.D.

Sunday comes heralded by a sermon about loving thy neighbor, which may or may not be aimed at certain members of the congregation who still has not gotten over being told off by a kid, to judge by the way her eyes just sort of slide off you, like you are a mold stain she is trying not to draw attention to, though it's not like you pay her much mind regardless.

"Hey, how's it going? Long night?" You ask Daniel, resisting the urge to add a teasing edge to the words.

"You wouldn't think leaning about ghosts and ghouls would be so much like homework until you tried it," he sighs. "Lydia lent me some books but..."

"Not here," you shoot back. The good father does not need to hear about this stuff.

***​

Homework is right, Lydia had lent out the kind of books that should probably be in a museum, bestiaries filled with fanciful and grotesque beings: from the mouscaliet, sporting the body of a hare, tail of a squirrel, teeth of a boar to the tharadrus, improbable horned master of shadows. They would almost be funny it is weren't for the fact that you know the former beast is an orchard-blight that causes sickness and famine with equal fervor and the latter a favored companion of warlocks for its dim wit, easily suborned and its ability to wrap its concealing magics around its master. Of course poor Daniel can barely read some of the text in the margins, not because whatever monk had scribed it in dusty years long past had done a bad job of it, but because it is in Medieval Church Latin and not the Classical Latin he knows. Lydia probably does not even notice the difference and according to Daniel 'he didn't want to look stupid'.

"Well you look really silly trying to work out the differences on your own," you point out motioning to the notepad, phone and ancient tome on his desk. "Here let me help you with that."

By 'me' you of course mean Clippy who has a lot more processing power to go through the text and work out how to transpose it using online resources, though 253 pages worth of pictures to work though it starting to test her memory storage, even with her taping the rest of the network for help.

"Thanks Molly..."

"Thank Clippy, she's the one doing the work, also keep that out of mom's sight or you are going put her in a bad mood all day." Bad enough as far as she's concerned that one of her children had dived right into the deep end of magic, but if Daniel keeps up these study sessions with Lydia, well mom might yet regret that 'study session' is not code for the usual activities a pair in their position get up to.

"Er... thanks Cilppy," your brother says vaguely at the phone.

Daniel Carpenter Gains 1 Occult -> Now at 2

It seems like everywhere you look one of your siblings is doing their best to take up new and... interesting skills. Matthew is getting a lot better with a sword, to the point that you can look at him training without wincing and regretting that you do not have any healing magic yet. Mom is even handing out pointers now. Part of you wonders if her newfound equanimity has something to do with the visit to Undertown this month, after all compared to taking over command of a clan of ghouls using hitherto unknown grasp of Sumerian just wanting to know how to protect himself must seem pretty tame.

Hope meanwhile has gotten a new toy, specifically a toy car for her birthday. It is pink, it is loud and it makes you miss the tea parties as well as consider the virtues of investing it with a cyber-spirit. In the end you decide that demonic binding is just a hair too extreme a solution to the issue of a overly loud toy. What is not too extreme is using your eldritch insight into the hearts of men to persuade her to go play outside.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 11/12

OOC: Previous vote still open, this is just something that popped into my head since we have not heard from the family in some time.
 
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Hope meanwhile has gotten a new toy, specifically a toy car for her birthday. It is pink, it is loud and it makes you miss the tea parties as well as consider the virtues of investing it with a cyber-spirit. In the end you decide that demonic binding is just a hair too extreme a solution to the issue of a overly loud toy. What is not too extreme is using your eldritch insight into the hearts of men to persuade her to go play outside.

Yes... this is very familiar, and very funny picture...

perhaps even the best part of this update!
 
tharadrus, improbable horned master of shadows.

the latter a favored companion of warlocks for its dim wit, easily suborned and its ability to wrap its concealing magics around its master.
Well this sounds promising. I wonder if we can find these somewhere, or if we'd need to use summoning circle as our help wanted ad.


Hope meanwhile has gotten a new toy, specifically a toy car for her birthday. It is pink, it is loud and it makes you miss the tea parties as well as consider the virtues of investing it with a cyber-spirit. In the end you decide that demonic binding is just a hair too extreme a solution to the issue of a overly loud toy. What is not too extreme is using your eldritch insight into the hearts of men to persuade her to go play outside.
This I disagree with entirely; demon-binding is an exactly proportional response to anyone giving a young kid a noisy toy.
 


Well this sounds promising. I wonder if we can find these somewhere, or if we'd need to use summoning circle as our help wanted ad.



This I disagree with entirely; demon-binding is an exactly proportional response to anyone giving a young kid a noisy toy.

The tharadrus dwells in some of the deeper reaches of Faerie, mostly the ones associated with the Wild Hunt, though if you had the true name of one you or more realistically for the moment, Harry could summon one.
 
worth of pictures to wok though it
"to work"

[x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
-[x] Write in stunt: Mac's is accorded neutral ground which should help dispell any nerves also dispite being a pub primarily they do have a breakfast special on weekends so you don't need to worry about drinking.
 
-Huh. Daniel now has higher Occult than Lydia.
The things teenage boys, and men in general, will do to impress the opposite sex :V
At least Daniel can speak Classical Latin. Wonder if he was an altar boy.

-Hmm. That sounds like a hint we need to start thinking about upgrading our phone.

- Much of the focus is on Molly, but it was only about two months ago that a group of fetches staged a home invasion to kidnap Molly, and beat Daniel into the floor and sent the rest of the family scrambling for the panic room, and then to the local church. The littles mercifully dont remember much, but the older kids certainly do.

If the only result is Mathew discovering a newfound interest in self-defence, and Daniel expanding his personal Occult score, we got off pretty light.

-Hope is hilarious.
Its good to see the second youngest kid having fun.
Well this sounds promising. I wonder if we can find these somewhere, or if we'd need to use summoning circle as our help wanted ad.
Emerald Spirit Binding would presumably do this fine, and Molly can keep (Essence) spirits bound at a time.

Would have to track it down though.
And then you'd have to either keep it bound permanently, or worry about other people summoning it to interrogate it about what it saw you do.
 
Emerald Spirit Binding would presumably do this fine, and Molly can keep (Essence) spirits bound at a time.

Would have to track it down though.
And then you'd have to either keep it bound permanently, or worry about other people summoning it to interrogate it about what it saw
True, I'm not really thinking about doing it any time soon now that it's clear they're mostly in the nevernever.

In terms of summoning infosec I think the best place to start (outside of creatures with specific abilities we want for stuff) would be with animal tier entities that we train as attack teams to be led by our material minions. It's a lot harder to interrogate a dog about its employment history after all. Not impossible for a sufficiently powerful and motivated supernatural group, but certainly more involved.

ESB isn't what I'd favor for stuff like this though. Unless it has a really good bonus function then it's really expensive for the level of minion it can bind.
 
Looks like this is going to be a two update day

Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM, finished with 54 posts and 14 votes.

  • [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    -[X]Invite Michael and Lydia along, and tell Rose of Autumn beforehand
    -[X]STUNT: Your dad holds open the door of the shawarma place as you follow Lydia inside, the chill of the room a pleasant counterpoint to the late August heat outside. You grab a table and sodas as Lydia looks over the menu, even as your dad excuses himself to use the bathroom. "Five minutes early, looks like." you announce quietly.
    [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    -[x] Write in stunt: Mac's is accorded neutral ground which should help dispell any nerves also dispite being a pub primarily they do have a breakfast special on weekends so you don't need to worry about drinking.
    [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    -[X] Invite Lydia along as well.
    [x] Invite her to breakfast some place, breakfast is an ice breaker right?
    -[X]Invite Michael and Lydia along, and tell Rose of Autumn beforehand
    -[X]STUNT: Your dad holds open the door of the seafood place as you follow Lydia inside, the chill of the room a pleasant counterpoint to the late August heat outside. You grab a table and sodas as Lydia looks over the menu, even as your dad excuses himself to use the bathroom. "Five minutes early, looks like." you announce quietly.
 
This still seems like a bad idea to me, but I guess we'll see how it goes.

Do we have a plan for how much we're willing to reveal to this person in a general sense?
 
@DragonParadox I think I asked already, and I'm sorry if you have answered (I can't find the answer), but does Molly learn oneiromancy by tutoring Rosie? I mean, we are using Bob's notes, and, presumably, leaning heavily into our Occult 5, and aren't practicing alongside Rosie, i.e. not translating mortal magic into essence use. So, obviously we are not getting full benefits. But would we be able to buy oneiromancy later using XP, on the basis of having studied it?
 
@DragonParadox I think I asked already, and I'm sorry if you have answered (I can't find the answer), but does Molly learn oneiromancy by tutoring Rosie? I mean, we are using Bob's notes, and, presumably, leaning heavily into our Occult 5, and aren't practicing alongside Rosie, i.e. not translating mortal magic into essence use. So, obviously we are not getting full benefits. But would we be able to buy oneiromancy later using XP, on the basis of having studied it?

She learns the theory and can buy it with XP, but does not get it automatically.
 
Arc 1 Post 25: A Rose by any Other Name
A Rose by any Other Name

22th of August 2006 A.D.

Your dad holds open the door of the shawarma place as you follow Lydia inside, the chill of the room a pleasant counterpoint to the late August heat outside. You grab a table and sodas as Lydia looks over the menu, her expression thoughtful. Simit, balık-ekmek, souvlaki and sweet baklava for desert, all of these pass over her tongue without a stumble, perhaps a taste of home. The faint clang of food being taken off the grill offers a pleasant counter-point to wordless music in a wistful minor key that puts one of a mind to other places: olive groves grown from the rocky soil by the sea and mist shrouded islands were the epics of old were sung.

The woman who steps in after you a quarter of an hour later seems almost of a piece with the music, black is her dress despite the heat and black the scarf on her dark blonde hair. She's older than you and younger than dad, though where between that she lies is lost in the lines baked into her face by sun and worry,


At the moment she's feeling something a good bit stronger than worry, the click of her shoes stops abruptly as she takes in the three of you. Dad... dad she had been expecting even if they may not have met before, but when it comes to you and Lydia you have no idea what'a passing through her head, maybe you don't want to. She fumbles with something in her purse...

"Wait," you call out, carefully not raising your voice or moving your hand from your drink. "I'm say 'I can explain', but I have no idea what you are feeling right now. I'd like to explain though, I'd like to thank you." You sound sheepish as you do sincere.

"I... was not expecting... When you said you were a Carpenter I'd thought you were..."

"I'm new," you cut in, still smiling encouragingly. "In more ways than one."

Rose of Autumn gives a shaky laugh. "I can see that, if you are... if you have questions..." She motions to dad as if to ask 'why didn't you just ask him' then she visibly collects herself. "Ah, where are my manners, I'm Pauline... Pauline Moskowitz, it's good to meet you, and good to know you made it out of Cleaveland fine." she says the last few words at some point between you and dad.

"Oh we were better than fine by the time we got done with the people in Cleveland." Your tone is still low but it is sharp as steel out from under the whetstone. "Not to brag but I figured you would want to know, given your history with them, set your mind at ease while I get some kind of recommendation for among folk of good-heart and certain talents."

Pauline steps in and sits down gingerly, as though not quite certain of the solidity of the chair, or maybe of the whole world right now. "I cannot promise you answers you understand, not all of them are mine alone to give, but I'm willing to talk."

What questions do you have for Pauline Moskowitz?

[] What can she tell you about others like herself, the minor talents of Chicago

[] What's her talent

[] Write in


OOC: Got a bit distracted with Christmas stuff, but done now, here's your in.
 
I was expecting Rose to be younger, but I'm not sure why.

@DragonParadox, what does Rose see when she looks at Molly?

[X] What can she tell you about others like herself, the minor talents of Chicago
 
True, I'm not really thinking about doing it any time soon now that it's clear they're mostly in the nevernever.

In terms of summoning infosec I think the best place to start (outside of creatures with specific abilities we want for stuff) would be with animal tier entities that we train as attack teams to be led by our material minions. It's a lot harder to interrogate a dog about its employment history after all. Not impossible for a sufficiently powerful and motivated supernatural group, but certainly more involved.

ESB isn't what I'd favor for stuff like this though. Unless it has a really good bonus function then it's really expensive for the level of minion it can bind.
The hierarchy of spirits in WoD cosmology is, from greater to lower :
Celestine
Incarna
Jaggling
Gaffling

ESB allows for binding gafflings and jagglings.
We've not met any spirit thus far in the Dresdenverse of greater status than jaggling; Porter, for example, would probably be either a greater gaffling or a jaggling. Evil Bob would be a gaffling. So would Bob. Mab-tier entities are likely to be Incarna.

Consider being able to bind Evil Bob for a year and a day.
Its well worth the price. Its just not immediately urgent.

Alternatively, we know that magical golems are a thing in the Dresdenverse.
Designing and building magitech drones and putting a HMP cyberdevil in the armored CPU is also an option for guarding locations.
Probably gonna need either Craft or Tech at 5 and either Alchemy or Enchantment.

This still seems like a bad idea to me, but I guess we'll see how it goes.
Do we have a plan for how much we're willing to reveal to this person in a general sense?
Play it by ear.

The person in question is clued in enough to have almost been a victim of the Pathfinders.
They know about the Wardens, what they do, and the Seven Laws; note that she carefully asked about whether the Pathfinders had gotten us to do anything, and only when we said no did she direct us to Dresden.

We arent likely to have to spell things out explicitly for them.
 
A Rose by any Other Name
COMMENTARY
- Moskowitz - Wikipedia
Moskowitz is a name of Eastern European origin.
Specifically, its of Eastern Ashkenazi Jewish origin; a Germanized version of the Slavic patronymic of the Yiddish personal name Moshke, according to Wikipedia.

Given as she mentioned that the Pathfinders were known to her and her family from the Old Country, it means that the Pathfinders and their fomori masters are active not just in Finland, but across Eastern Europe.
Which confirms that we only took out one cell in Cleveland.

- Pauline Moskowitz being Jewish certainly explains a couple things.
Including that hesitancy about magical law enforcement, and a preference for avoiding drawing attention.
Not old enough to be a Holocaust survivor, but old enough to be the grandkid of one.

-Yeah, she's armed. Whether its a pistol, a magical charm or something else in her purse remains to be seen.
But she also has magical senses good enough to sense Molly AND Lydia, at least when they are in line of sight.
Thats not bad for a hedge mage.

Damn.
Five successes is Legendary; we had to roll not just Legendary, but five successes beyond that not to send her fleeing in terror.
That has GOT to be worth bonus XP.

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
I noticed we rolled against DC6.
Did Michael's presence bring the DC down?
 
-Yeah, she's armed. Whether its a pistol, a magical charm or something else in her purse remains to be seen.
I'm hoping her purse is a Bag of Holding, one from which she was about to draw an automatic shotgun.

Are Bags of Holding, or similar containers, something we might encounter from WoD stuff? I don't recall anything like them in DF.
 
I'm hoping her purse is a Bag of Holding, one from which she was about to draw an automatic shotgun.

Are Bags of Holding, or similar containers, something we might encounter from WoD stuff? I don't recall anything like them in DF.
Almost certainly not because if bags of holding were a thing they definitely would have taken the effort to get some for the skin games heist. The fact that they could only safely run away with so much was a major plot point. Now maybe we can make them, but if we can it will be another case where we make normal wizards eyes bug out.

@DragonParadox : How many people are at Max's pretending not to listen in?
 
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Yes he did, lowered it from 7 to 6, Lydia did not help at all though from what Molly saw.
I suspected as much.
So yeah, Yog's right; references do help in social conditions. Gonna have to be sure and drag either Harry or Michael with us when we show up at McAnally's for the first time.

Probably wont need to at Bock's Books; just tell Harry to call ahead on our behalf and vouch for us.
I'm hoping her purse is a Bag of Holding, one from which she was about to draw an automatic shotgun.

Are Bags of Holding, or similar containers, something we might encounter from WoD stuff? I don't recall anything like them in DF.
Lol. Probably beyond her.
If she had Conjuration Path Sorcery otoh, she could have potentially summoned a shotgun from her car.

I am not especially conversant with WoD, but Bags of Holding arent a thing that I can recall.
Not at the level of power that many lesser talents/linear sorcerers are operating at.

WoD Mages otoh can definitely pull off equivalent effects pretty straightforwardly.
Thats how they have cars that are bigger on the inside than the outside, or ammunition magazines that seem to never run out of bullets while firing.



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[X] What can she tell you about others like herself, the minor talents of Chicago


If we are careful about what we tell others about our abilities?
So will they.
So start with things she feels comfortable talking about.
 
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