Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

You have? I mean you have been spamming the thing since you got it and it's not like UMI. She is just better at arguing the case than she otherwise would be, which given the high willpower of both people involved here is not as much of a comparative advantage.
I thought we were; it came up when I used one in the last write in I put together for interacting with Molly's parents. I ended up editing it out for that reason, though I don't recall exactly with vote it was off the top of my head.
 
I thought we were; it came up when I used one in the last write in I put together for interacting with Molly's parents. I ended up editing it out for that reason, though I don't recall exactly with vote it was off the top of my head.
The only hard ruling DP made on that that I remembered and could find was this:
Er... guys Molly feels really guilty for the mind control at least when it comes to Rosanne, even if she had mind altering charms she would not use them on her mother.

And there were Charity votes with Excellency, e.g. asking her about magic or arguing with her:
OK, let's see how this goes. I will tell you now that you are basically turning one intimacy against the other as far as Charity is concerned, she loves her family, but she also has Magic (fear and hatred)
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jul 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM, finished with 85 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Ask her why she hates magic so much (Empathy+Charisma)
    -[X] "It's not like it's some coin I can just pick up and throw away if I have to." You add. "Even if I could put this particular deal down, that doesn't change what's already happened in the past--I don't think the option of completely turning away is there anymore, and even if it was, I'm not sure it'd be the right idea. All of this happened because I was being an idiot, because I didn't know what I was doing and thought that I did, and that's not going to change unless I decide to start paying attention and taking responsibility. But I don't want that to cut me off from you and everyone else either. So yeah, I'll go, we'll see what's going on, but if there isn't an easy solution, what happens then? Does the fact I have power now mean that I don't get to be with everyone?"
    --[X] Use Excellency
    ---[X] If Charity clams up anyway, find out what her deal is with Crown of Eyes, this isn't the time for secrets anymore.
    [X] Go to Saint Marry's, maybe with Father Forthil's help or Harry's you can talk your mother down
    [X] Look through the Crown of Eyes to see why your mother hates magic so much
    [X] Ask her why she hates magic so much (Empathy+Charisma)
    -[X] "What can I say to you that will make you believe that this isn't malicious, what can I say... I can't say anything that will change your mind because nothing can be convincingly said to you that you won't dismiss out of hand because you believe that I'm either not in control of my own actions or am being manipulated by something, so regardless of if you believe me I'm telling you that I'm in complete control of myself and this power, hell if needs be after all this fairy bullshit is dealt with we can have others verify but until then can you at least stop treating me like I'm sick or ill."
    [x] Hug her, "I am OK" Use Excellency

OK, vote closed, let's see how this goes over and how the turn... er turns.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 21, 2022 at 9:52 AM, finished with 52 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Argue (Charisma+Empathy)
    -[X] Use Excellency
    --[X] "I'm not going to actively look for trouble, but I'm also not going to sit tight if I see something rotten going on. I'm going to learn what I can from Dad, I'll strive to be better, and I'll do everything I can to be as safe as possible if I do have to take any risks, but I can't promise I'll never take any. I don't think the world works that way."
    [X] Argue (Charisma+Empathy)
    -[X] Use Excellency
    -[X] You agree to the first parts, you will do your best in school and you will listen to dad, but you can't promise not to go into trouble if it shows itself, or to avoid all places where it might find you. The craving for knowledge is part of you on the one hand and the desire to act when you see wrongs being commited is all on your parent's education on the other hand.
    [X] Agree to her condition
    [x]Sure, but I want to come back to the subject of risk management later, once we've slept a bit or something.
    -[x] Crown of Eyes: What would be the most effective way to help Charity understand how powerful I am?
    [X] Argue (Charisma+Empathy; may use Excellency; Stunt Optional)
    -[X]Stunt: I promise to be careful when possible, to listen to Dad, and to work on my grades. But trouble will not always schedule itself for my convenience or his, and I have the strong feeling that I must learn as much as I can as fast as I can to be prepared when it does show up. Other people need Daddy too; he wont always be around. You didnt wait for Daddy to come back before you came for me, did you?


[X] Yog
 
The voices are still there, calling, shouting, screaming for salvation with voices of electromagnetic static... you flinch at the enormity of their agonized host, not truly endless, but near enough for any mortal understanding.
"So I can rescue tortured demons from their electronic hell but their numbers are vast beyond any reasonable ability to skim a fraction of a fraction out" seems like it might be a discussion topic with a priest
 
"So I can rescue tortured demons from their electronic hell but their numbers are vast beyond any reasonable ability to skim a fraction of a fraction out" seems like it might be a discussion topic with a priest

Your powers interact directly with hell, wait until you get the Inner Darkness charm from Kakuri, the one that let's you turn someone's darker instincts into a literal Super Powered Evil Side or you know, when you create an entire realm of beings who think of you as their goddess. That;s bound to be fun from a theological PoV :V
 
Your powers interact directly with hell, wait until you get the Inner Darkness charm from Kakuri, the one that let's you turn someone's darker instincts into a literal Super Powered Evil Side or you know, when you create an entire realm of beings who think of you as their goddess. That;s bound to be fun from a theological PoV :V
In fairness the hells we're associated with are basically the RC Cola of hells from the perspective of a Catholic priest.

Still soda, but lacking in critical name brand recognition.
 
Your powers interact directly with hell, wait until you get the Inner Darkness charm from Kakuri, the one that let's you turn someone's darker instincts into a literal Super Powered Evil Side or you know, when you create an entire realm of beings who think of you as their goddess. That;s bound to be fun from a theological PoV :V
I more meant the moral advice regarding "I can only save some of them and I don't want to devote my entire life to just doing that". Not the theological dilemma from it being hell
 
[X] Everything by implication. Gems explicitly, but broadly mention that this was just the first idea you had of many.
-[X] Use Empathy excellency to understand your parents' concerns
-[X] Stunt: "Mom, Dad... I think it is time that I start contributing to the family finances. Though the both of you have always managed to provide what we need, I have power now, and I want to use some of that power to help. That means more than just the big picture. That means helping the family too... so that's why I want you to have this check for 10,000 dollars, with understanding that this money can be spent on what we, as a family, want and need because more is to come.
 
[X] Just the gem-making for now, no need to overwhelm them

Of course you think it is great and all and not just for selfish reasons, money is a great tool for making the world a better place and Lord knows it could use it, but you will admit it will do odd things to your sense of priorities, likely buying luxury cars out of a sense of duty to the demon you put in them. Better head this off at the pass. Bath first, I'm going to need your best arguments for this.
I don't get what is wrong with using personal abilities to earn money through voluntary exchange. She isn't ripping anyone off and diamonds are real.

This weird thing is same for a lot, a lot of comics and other (mostly american) fiction. No using unusual abilities to earn money, you have to become a vigilante or you are evil. What's up with that?
 
Ah, I was really looking forward to the look on Charity's face when we parked in the driveway with a luxury car.
How precisely that got to the ear of the White Court you do not know, but it is clear from the messaging on Alyssa's phone that they thought this is some spirit Katrina had put into the car, one which could be interrogated for useful information. You get the sense that the White Court, or at least Lara, would very much prefer if every single Kemlerite fell off the face of the planet and she would not be opposed to pushing them off if she could do it without risk to herself or her interests... but she would also probably sell any information on for the right price.



Of course the fact that she knew who Katrina was and that this was her car also has some interesting implications, though alas your temporary look into one vampire's phone is not enough to offer any insights into that.

The obvious conclusion would be that we are a Kemlerite in a new body. Of course if Lara thinks that the obvious thing for her to do would be to inform Michael so he will deal with us. White court generally love to use catpaws and he is perfectly positioned and motivated if we were someone that had stolen Molly's body.
 
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[X] Just the gem-making for now, no need to overwhelm them


I don't get what is wrong with using personal abilities to earn money through voluntary exchange. She isn't ripping anyone off and diamonds are real.

This weird thing is same for a lot, a lot of comics and other (mostly american) fiction. No using unusual abilities to earn money, you have to become a vigilante or you are evil. What's up with that?

I mean it's not really that there is anything wrong with it, but the fact that she does have financial independence at age 17 is probably something Molly's parents are going to want to know about, especially when they see the luxury car in the garage.
 
I would lead with "I don't think that I need an allowance anymore."

Also if we plan on moving out at 18 maybe we should start house hunting now. We don't want to rent if we want to have a good threshold.
 
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We have had unintentionally side effects from intimidate rolls being too high. Maybe some of Thomas's co workers were low willpower, not inclined to spend willpower to resist and had no conflicting intimacy.A problem with appearance rolls is you can't avoid rolling them and it only takes 1 coworker with lacking self control to cause a problem.
Doubt its applicable. The Whamps arent that uniformly pretty.

There are multiple occasions where Dresden has encountered Whamps, like the Skavis in White Night and Madrigal Raith in his Darby Crane persona, or Tania Raith as an assistant to a Chicago prosecutor, and never realized they were Whites until they broke cover. That wouldnt be possible if most Whites were supernaturally good looking.

May need a charm that lets us toggle our appearance to human levels, or learn how to diminish them to that level.
We can use Black Mirror Incarnation to disguise ourself as a prettier or uglier form of ourself.
Its a 5 dot Favored charm, so 15xp.

I'd give all Whampires the level 1 Presence power Awe in addition to high appearance.
Though only few develop beyond that.
This.

All/most Whites seem to be generally in the 90-99% percentile of good looks regardless of gender or House, and people like Thomas are basically 10s, but they are not supernaturally pretty.
A significant part of their attractiveness seems to be supernatural.

Numbers in the Balance
COMMENTARY
1)Loling at the rest of the auction.
Having 15k lying around of spare cash should be useful walking around money. Especially since we're going to start work on the Dragon Nest and its probably going to require buying and transporting raw materials for work down there.

Just stuff like scrap metal for power cabling is going to be interesting.

2)The dice have spoken. No poking Lara for the moment.
Though, given as we got access to McGregor's phone, we almost certainly have her phone number and maybe email, Lara's phone number and maybe email, and the numbers of at least several Whites.

That might come in handy in the future; if we want to possess the phone, we just need to make a phone call.

3)Molly now knows that IC that Whites have ears in a lot of places.
The level of infiltration it requires to know of goings on in an impound car lot is.....significant.


4)Handling Charity is still a longterm project, so we need to manage it. And it is entirely justifiable to not speculate.
Though Michael should probably have told her that her eldest child can apparently fly at will now.
So just the diamonds and waterwalking should be new.


DISCUSSION
Eh, Molly hasnt really had complex transport needs before, not as s city girl living at home.
She lives in Chicago, with significant winter events and snowfall, and a new line of work where multiple vehicles significantly impedes the ability of both enemy ops and law enforcement to track you by car movements.

She is shortly going to find out that she has a requirement for multiple vehicles.
Harry's ability to drive a VW bug in Midwest winters as his only vehicle is almost more incredible than his ability to use magic :V

I'm thinking.....~three cars and 1-2 Chevrolet Express/GMC Savanna cargo vans for transporting supplies to the Dragons Nest and carrying away loot from battle sites. Or people who may also be loot.
With cyberdevils inside, you can even have them move autonomously, at least at night. Color shifting paint might help.

PS
Replacing Charity's current minivan with a newer, safer minivan and Michael's current truck with a new one that isnt as recognizable to enemy opps is probably something that should be on the Christmas to-do list.
Toyota Sienna minivan and Toyota Tundra truck, probably. 2007 models.

Actually giving them second, less sensible cars waits for their birthdays.
Or Molly trying to distract attention :V

PPS
Always a buy a stationwagon as a backup car.
Even expensive ones like the Audis and Mercs(especially the Audis) go below the radar because they have an image as boring family cars, even when they can break 300km/hr on a highway. And they can seat five adults.

Minivans can seat more(7-8), but minivans arent fast.
 
I mean it's not really that there is anything wrong with it, but the fact that she does have financial independence at age 17 is probably something Molly's parents are going to want to know about, especially when they see the luxury car in the garage.
Also, tax implications.

As the person who does family financials, Charity is going to need to know who she can claim as dependents on the family's next tax declarations in order to avoid trouble with the IRS. Cant claim your teenage daughter as a dependant if she's also filing tax returns with greater net income than the rest of your household combined.


VOTE
[X]Just the gem-making for now, no need to overwhelm them
-[X]STUNT: Your parents look up from their conversation as you slip into the chair opposite them in the kitchen, almost but not quite sitting. You lean forward and spill the contents of your hand on the table between you, then adjust your position to sit crosslegged. A carat and half of diamond scrap lies on the counter between you, left over from your first foray as a jeweller. Charity freezes for a moment, then reaches out to touch one, before she looks up at you with wide eyes. "What is this Molly?" Michael is the first to speak, his voice inquiring. "The reason I think we need to talk about our tax obligations for next year." On the counter the diamonds wink in the light, refracting the sunlight against the wall.


RATIONALE
I've tried, but I cant think of a way to incorporate the Old Spice "your tickets are now diamonds"line into a stunt.
This is the best I can do.
:V

More seriously, talking Charity over into a state of acceptance is a gradual process.
Not one thats helped by throwing too many things at her at once.
So take it easy. There's currently no rush.
 
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Also, tax implications.

As the person who does family financials, Charity is going to need to know who she can claim as dependents on the family's next tax declarations in order to avoid trouble with the IRS. Cant claim your teenage daughter as a dependant if she's also filing tax returns with greater net income than the rest of your household combined.


VOTE
[X]Just the gem-making for now, no need to overwhelm them
-[X]STUNT: Your parents look up from their conversation as you slip into the chair opposite them in the kitchen, almost but not quite sitting. You lean forward and spill the contents of your hand on the table between you, then adjust your position to sit crosslegged. A carat and half of diamond scrap lies on the counter between you, left over from your first foray as a jeweller. Charity freezes for a moment, then reaches out to touch one, before she looks up at you with wide eyes. "What is this Molly?" Michael is the first to speak, his voice inquiring. "The reason I think we need to talk about our tax obligations for next year." On the counter the diamonds wink in the light, refracting the sunlight against the wall.


RATIONALE
I've tried, but I cant think of a way to incorporate the Old Spice "your tickets are now diamonds"line into a stunt.
This is the best I can do.
:V

More seriously, talking Charity over into a state of acceptance is a gradual process.
Not one thats helped by throwing too many things at her at once.
So take it easy. There's currently no rush.
She can so long as we don't claim ourself and still live in her house and eat her food she can. The IRS cares more about double counting dependants than it does about who is a dependant for who.

We end up losing a lot of tax deductions, but we don't really need to care about that sort of thing.
 
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