Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

RVD only transports us so it would not help in that way anyway. Also it's a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at the state of their lives).

Under town likely currently qualifies.
If our minions feel despair at the state of their lives, we are doing something wrong.

And since RVD doesn't render us naked, and Mana maggots aren't characters, I am fairly sure we could put them in a backpack and travel via rvd with them
 
[X] Potential of Waves and Wastes
IC I think Molly should have learned her lesson here; trying to magic away delicate problems can have profoundly negative consequences even when you think you know what you're doing and have the best of intentions while doing it.

Us knowing OOC that some specific thing is safer or different doesn't diminish the IC backslide into the same behavior that caused Molly and everyone around her so much pain. Which is inherently not good as character progression and is unlikely to go over well with Molly's social group.

"But I know what I'm doing" isn't an impressive or convincing argument when it's effectively the same one Molly would have made in the first place.

That's not to say that we shouldn't help her, but rather that our help should take a different form since Molly had by this point in canon started internalizing that you can't just reach in and fix people like broken toys; something that shouldn't be impacted by the quest so far.

Instead I think we should use the power of money to get her the best mundane treatment possible, and potentially get a wizard experienced with this sort of trauma involved in her treatment in a nonmagical way by horse trading with the white council.
I think a different lesson is much more sensible here:
"Inexperienced practicioners shouldn't try to magic away delicate problems, Exalted with absolute effects in their Charms definitly should."

Simply put mind-magic in Dresden Files is finicky and has side-effects even if used by the best, but Exalted doesn't have that problem.
 
Votes as they stand.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Nov 28, 2022 at 1:43 AM, finished with 180 posts and 25 votes.

  • [X]Plan Water Dragon
    --[X]Boiling Oil Mastery 4xp
    --[X]Transcendent Lord of Flies 4xp
    --[X]Mercy in Servitude 4xp
    --[X]Etiquette 4 3xp
    --[X]Technology 2 2xp
    --[X]Athletics 2 2xp
    -[X] Lydia
    --[X]Essence 2: 8XP
    [X] Potential of Waves and Wastes
    -[X] Boiling Sea Mastery, 4 XP
    -[X] Transcendent Lord of Flies 4 XP
    -[X] Rendered Villain Dispersal, 4 XP
    -[X] Technology Excellency, 4 XP
    -[X] Etiquette 4 3 XP
    -[X] Lydia
    --[X]Essence 2: 8XP
    [X] Potential of Waves and Wastes
    [X] Mastery of Waves and Wastes
    -[X] Boiling Sea Mastery, 4 XP
    -[X] Transcendent Lord of Flies 4 XP
    -[X] Mercy in Servitude 4 XP
    -[X] Technology Excellency, 4 XP
    -[X] Technology 2 2 XP
    -[X] Lydia
    --[X]Essence 2: 8XP
    [X]Plan Water Dragon
    --[X]Boiling Oil Mastery 4xp
    --[X]Transcendent Lord of Flies 4xp
    --[X]Mercy in Servitude 4xp
    --[X]Etiquette 4 3xp
    --[X]Technology 2 2xp
    -[X] Lydia
    --[X]Essence 2: 8XP
 
So, just to make sure. Is this
that black stone meant to contain gossamer,
the same kind of black jade that was used to contain our Exaltation after it was unearthed deep in the subtle realms as described here:
"The power which is now yours and I bound to was unearthed from a place of great, power darkness between the realms of Lanka and Kakuri known only as the Scar by the Rakshas of Lanka. Bound was it in black jade and taken as a trophy. Though they could use only the merest sliver of its might it was a great weapon in the wars of the demons, but they were ever careful not to bring it too near a living mortal soul for then it might be unleased. They questioned me under torrent for I knew many old secrets, though I did not remember what I had been before the Scar or whence I dwelt."
?

Because if so, that's a proper magical material, as valuable as what it can be used to hold.
 
So, just to make sure. Is this

the same kind of black jade that was used to contain our Exaltation after it was unearthed deep in the subtle realms as described here:

?

Because if so, that's a proper magical material, as valuable as what it can be used to hold.

Yes you did get more of the stuff although given that the only source of gossamer you know is not what one would call ethical Molly is not sure what she would use the stuff for.
 
Yes you did get more of the stuff although given that the only source of gossamer you know is not what one would call ethical Molly is not sure what she would use the stuff for.
Well, if it can hold gossamer and an Infernal exaltation, I am fairly sure that it could be used as magical insulation. So, making summoning circles out of it, and lining high tech items with it to prevent tech bane effects comes to mind. Maybe making stealth armor out of it, to prevent our aura from leaking out and being observed. There are certainly many applications.
 
[X]Plan Water Dragon

I like the idea of recruiting minions to help us work on the train station. Yes we will be working at 5x or 10x speed, but even if we need 10 minions working to get half as much work done as we would in the same time, we are still saving time. We can get 10 minions, and our minions will have a lot less obligations on their time then us. We will probably still have to to the fine work personally, but there should be plenty of simple labor we can delegate. Maybe we can finish things before our meeting with Mab.

Lets turn Under town into a real town! Provide gainful employment!
 
[X]Plan Water Dragon

I like the idea of recruiting minions to help us work on the train station. Yes we will be working at 5x or 10x speed, but even if we need 10 minions working to get half as much work done as we would in the same time, we are still saving time. We can get 10 minions, and our minions will have a lot less obligations on their time then us. We will probably still have to to the fine work personally, but there should be plenty of simple labor we can delegate. Maybe we can finish things before our meeting with Mab.

Lets turn Under town into a real town! Provide gainful employment!
They're crazy cannibals, even after MiS removes the base issue they're still probably going to be less qualified than Gollum for pretty much any job we could name.

The vampires are in the same boat, though their powers are more useful once they have a handle on them.
 
if we're sharing exp can we expect companions and future companions to do things outside of us that earn exp dp? Cause if we're splitting exp so many ways in the future or even just two ways now we're gonna see things not progressing all that much? Stuff like personal studying, personal quests, stuff just done when we aren't around?
 
Brief paraphrase of this arc:

A group of noble scientists* who conducted a complicated set of beneficial** experiments which could significantly push forward the magic science get unprovokedly attacked and mercilessly slained by Princess of Hell and her pet vampires***!

*Let's not linger about appearance of these scientists, ok?
**Beneficial for the scientists themselves, of cause!
***And the servant of White God, but this does not matter, right?

Well, I think it is an appropriate header for the article in some kind of "Midwestern Arcane"! :D
funniest part we really did attack unprovoked.
 
if we're sharing exp can we expect companions and future companions to do things outside of us that earn exp dp? Cause if we're splitting exp so many ways in the future or even just two ways now we're gonna see things not progressing all that much? Stuff like personal studying, personal quests, stuff just done when we aren't around?

That already happened, it's not like you were there or helping when Lydia persuaded Harry to take payment and that got you 1 XP.
 
I'm gonna point out dp it seems in dresden files from what we've seen the majority of gods are around and still just fine. Like a large amount seem to still be active if limited in their actions. Like you can change things word of god is gods are fine personally without worship though.
 
I'm gonna point out dp it seems in dresden files from what we've seen the majority of gods are around and still just fine. Like a large amount seem to still be active if limited in their actions. Like you can change things word of god is gods are fine personally without worship though.

Gods which still have a purpose that hooks them up with a secondary mantle or worshipers are still active, most of the Old Gods have neither.
 
If I remember right it was they either had to stop messing with Mortals or give up their inherent immortality. Odin use a mantle to get back a form of immortality.
 
Gods which still have a purpose that hooks them up with a secondary mantle or worshipers are still active, most of the Old Gods have neither.
thats not said at all though thats just your head canon I believe? greek and roman gods, aesir, other gods etc etc. I doubt all of them strictly have important purposes. Plenty of gods are just in the nevernever and completely fine. They don't even need worshipers to interact at very low levels.
 
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And so many of them are gone. It's not like we have seen dozens of Olympians in canon.
yes cause the books about gods haven't come up yet and the stuff they do currently isn't godly according to jim they do stuff like professional wrestling and can't actively interfere like they used to. Like what your saying is head canon heck butcher said both greek and roman gods are around they clearly aren't dependent on worship if both can exist.

Edit: Like word of jim their not around for obvious reasons their not allowed to be without doing what odin does at best they get things that don't affect mortal lives as jobs. other aren't dead so much as not present.
 
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While I will do my best to follow the boos I will not strive to follow random author notes as much.
I mean fair enough as long as you admit its heavy au and the head canons you have aren't all right then I'm good. I just thought you believed that said old gods are mostly dead instead of just not present or low key since thats all their allowed.
 
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Things are heavily au by definition, tbh.
yeah I was just nerd triggered since these were coming off as him talking like this is canon when jim has as much said gods are around and doing stuff they just mostly aren't allowed to do meaningful stuff in the mortal world and of course we don't deal with nevernever gods. Their in the nevernever after all.
 
yeah I was just nerd triggered since these were coming off as him talking like this is canon when jim has as much said gods are around and doing stuff they just mostly aren't allowed to do meaningful stuff in the mortal world and of course we don't deal with nevernever gods. Their in the nevernever after all.

I am trying to reconcile two cosmologies with distinct world-building elements. Doing that and following every single Word of God post from Butcher is not really tenable IMO.
 
I just want to see the look on Charity's face when she finds out that Molly has a legion of Sex Vampires serving her.
That would be funny, but my bet is that the ones that go crazy are biased towards the fear and despair brand vamps.

The young white court vamps are still pretty human, it'd make sense if the ones that can't smother their sense of empathy completely but need to induce say suicidal depression to stay alive would start having issues.

Not that they aren't all harmful in their own way, but it'd be easier for a Raith to lie to themselves about it until they're fair enough gone not to care.
 
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