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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Yog said:
This seems a bit high, as this korean paper gives 7-8 m/s for a multi-ton anchor.
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I think you mean a little low.
Anyway, not my field.
Yog said:
Fair point, but I feel we could leave the submarine for people to find. A new urban legend is a nice compensation. And/or we could spend an hour or two repairing the amusement park afterwards.
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Call me paranoid, but I'd rather not leave whats essentially an arcane focus with regards to the events here for people with Divination or Scrying or other sympathetic magic to use. Especially since ghosts can do fuckall to stop them.
Thats one of the reasons a majority ice construction appeals to me.

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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Nov 20, 2022 at 4:40 AM, finished with 59 posts and 11 votes.
  • [X] Try to cobble together a submersible out of scrap, you've come too far to give up now
    -[X] Have you cyberdevils look for designs of small submersibles to prepare a simplest possible design for you while you are looking for scrap to reuse in the construction.
    -[X] Use excellency: Crafts (Mechanics)
    -[X] Stunt: "Well, we are in an amusement park. Let's go for a ride, shall we?" you ask your companions, before venturing out to gather everything you need. And it's surprising what you can find. A Flying Turns sled, one large enough that you could sit in your father's lap comfortably and there would be place left for Lydia, to serve as basis for the machine. Helium gas bottles from old air balloon kiosks. Windows from a burned down dance hall. Wiring from various places. As you look at the gathered scrap, and concentrate, multiple robotic manipulators spring into existence around you, ready to follow the design you based on what your faithful electronic minions found. The sled is covered in metal sheets, welded together, the gas bottles are renovated and made into both an air supply system and emergency thrust, a length of hose and some plastic bottles becoming individual air supply channels in case of hull breach. Pieces of broken windows are heated, and then reformed into portholes. An old roller coaster engine is given new life and a serious tune up to drives the propellers, freshly made from a pair of old weather vanes through a series of newly cut gears. A complicated mechanical steering system takes shape from random pipes and chains. A pair of gas powered harpoon guns, fashioned from some pieces of rebar, guy-wire and yet another gas bottle take place at the front . In the end, the only thing left to your companions is to decide on the paintjob.
    [X]Write-In: Plan Thunderball
    -[X]Build boat out of ice
    -[X]Build diving gear out of steel,scrap and hardware store purchases
    -[X]Drive boat out to buoy and tie up there
    -[X]Tie one end of rope to lake buoy and dive ~60 feet to the lake bottom with the other end until you find underwater entrance
    -[X]Secure guide rope and glowsticks nearby and go up for rest of party
    -[X]STUNT: Your father thumps the packages down on the sand by the left of your workspace. "Rope, safety goggles, rubber hose, chemsticks." As a robotic arm immediately grabs for the rubber hose, on the other side he drops his second burden. "Ten gallon can of gas. Everything I could get out of Walmart." "Great" you reply. "I've already built and filled the air bottles and regulators, so give me another ten minutes and I should be done with the rest of the diving gear. Then we can gas her up"He looks along the shoreline to where Lydia is fending off curious ghosts from the beached glacial ice-boat she insists on calling Argo. "What engine did you end up putting in that thing?" he asks bemusedly. "Turbine. Easier to build, and less likely to fail if a warlock waggles its fingers at it."
    [X]Call down into the water. You know that they can hear you.
    -[x] intimidate exalancy and Demonic Primacy of Essence
    -[x]"This is your last chance come up and surrender. Or come up and fight if you prefer. However if you don't come up then I am coming down and I will smash your base and irradiate it to the point that not even a single plankton survives. You have 20 minutes"
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uju32 said:
Call me paranoid, but I'd rather not leave whats essentially an arcane focus with regards to the events here for people with Divination or Scrying or other sympathetic magic to use. Especially since ghosts can do fuckall to stop them.
Thats one of the reasons a majority ice construction appeals to me.
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On one hand, i can see your point. On the other, yes, it's paranoid, and we aren't collecting our hair from shower drains. Besides, I feel that scrying on the product of exalted infernal power is as likely to return "the monster is here" as anything useful.
 
Yog said:
On one hand, i can see your point. On the other, yes, it's paranoid, and we aren't collecting our hair from shower drains. Besides, I feel that scrying on the product of exalted infernal power is as likely to return "the monster is here" as anything useful.
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Hair expires, apparently.
So do a lot of bodily samples.
 
uju32 said:
Call me paranoid, but I'd rather not leave whats essentially an arcane focus with regards to the events here for people with Divination or Scrying or other sympathetic magic to use. Especially since ghosts can do fuckall to stop them.
Thats one of the reasons a majority ice construction appeals to me.
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Remember that our Crown of Eyes is unique and OP. Most people need more than something constructed in a few hours, used once, and then abandoned to get anything useful. Doesn't help that the scrap has a long history tied to a mystically significant park that's ghost central providing a stronger and distracting mystical link. Or that it's going to be spending a lot of time under running water eroding any magical traces that could be useful.

If someone potent enough to get something actually useful off of that is interested enough and deep enough on our tail to find the abandoned submarine to use, we probably have bigger problems. Like the nursing home where we went Shintai a few hours ago and kicked in the teeth of a Raksha. That probably has our magical residue all over the place like radiation at the aftermath of Hiroshima. And is under a sort-of-threshold from the old people living there to protect it from dawn and dusk. And isn't underwater. And also had a lot more attention drawn to it from multiple sources, from Reds to the regular authorities we heard coming before we left.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
These will be the driving force behind her diplomatic powers. Since Appearance is a stat that is never rolled for both in Exalted and World of Darkness, it is largely useless. And so, I have opt-out of adding dots in it.
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So, I have recently began reading this quest because it seems to be interesting, and I saw this, which, hmm, from what I know, this is very false, appearance is actually the most important stat in social in exalted because it doesn't matter if it is never rolled if it makes your interlocutor use all their willpower to parry a simple argument every time you open your mouth (seriously, some people made the calculation, the result was absolutely ridiculous, just one sentence without essence use was enough to bring a high social character to his knees), well, at least this was the case in one edition of it, this quest might not be using that one.

Anyway, I know this is way too late, and I'm not going to be a voter for quite some time (I always read every single post in quests), but I just wanted to chime in and point this out.

Now, back to reading.
 
Nyarky said:
So, I have recently began reading this quest because it seems to be interesting, and I saw this, which, hmm, from what I know, this is very false, appearance is actually the most important stat in social in exalted because it doesn't matter if it is never rolled if it makes your interlocutor use all their willpower to parry a simple argument every time you open your mouth (seriously, some people made the calculation, the result was absolutely ridiculous, just one sentence without essence use was enough to bring a high social character to his knees), well, at least this was the case in one edition of it, this quest might not be using that one.
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Basic rules are V20, not Exalted, so Appearance is a lot less important.
 
Appearance still has narrative consequences, tbh. We have been told a bunch of times IC that people think Molly looks kinda creepy.
 
We should still upgrade to Appearance 5 or more eventually, because theres no point in being a queen of hell if we dont look amazing.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
Then they likely take a death curse really. Clones have no reason not to sacrifice themselves, and hitting our enemies with death curses is a net gain for us.
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If clones are outgrowths of our own soul, instead of their own people, then it seems unlikely that they could use a death curse.
fictionfan said:
Really it's more of a diving bell then a submarine.
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Speaking of diving bells, @Yog, how difficult do you think it'd be to make provisions for an underwater exit? A door in the bottom to turn it into a diving bell and back as needed, maybe spare fittings for breathing masks on the outside?
uju32 said:
Call me paranoid, but I'd rather not leave whats essentially an arcane focus with regards to the events here for people with Divination or Scrying or other sympathetic magic to use. Especially since ghosts can do fuckall to stop them.
Thats one of the reasons a majority ice construction appeals to me.
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Nohing stopping us from taking apart the sub after we don't need it anymore, if it comes down to it.
 
Gnarker said:
Speaking of diving bells, @Yog, how difficult do you think it'd be to make provisions for an underwater exit? A door in the bottom to turn it into a diving bell and back as needed, maybe spare fittings for breathing masks on the outside?
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I honestly can't say. I am not a submarine engineer. I feel that I added a lot to it already. I'm not sure if much more would be reasonable. It's a good idea, though. I'll add the qualifier long to the breathing mask hoses.
 
Gnarker said:
Speaking of diving bells, @Yog, how difficult do you think it'd be to make provisions for an underwater exit? A door in the bottom to turn it into a diving bell and back as needed, maybe spare fittings for breathing masks on the outside?
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The Lake isn't very deep. We can just swim up. CCC also helps with that kind of escape.
 
Gnarker said:
If clones are outgrowths of our own soul, instead of their own people, then it seems unlikely that they could use a death curse.
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They can learn path magic, and the 1 fortune path ritual is death curse. And the death curse is really bad to take in this system. You get your willpower in automatic success, on top of your roll, and your path is considered to by 2 dots higher. So even at 1 dot fortune a clone can hit anybody with a max 3 dot bane.

[X]Write-In: Plan Thunderball
 
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bengalqueen said:
If someone potent enough to get something actually useful off of that is interested enough and deep enough on our tail to find the abandoned submarine to use, we probably have bigger problems. Like the nursing home where we went Shintai a few hours ago and kicked in the teeth of a Raksha. That probably has our magical residue all over the place like radiation at the aftermath of Hiroshima. And is under a sort-of-threshold from the old people living there to protect it from dawn and dusk. And isn't underwater. And also had a lot more attention drawn to it from multiple sources, from Reds to the regular authorities we heard coming before we lef
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Not really.
It might surprise you, but I have absolutely no worries about the nursing home.

It already had all the base magic floating around from the wards that already were preinstalled to fuck with residents and visitors, as well as the regular presence of a Raksha. Now add the beaucoup magical contamination from Niemi, the dead sorcerer, and Iku Turso all throwing power around in the same scene in the same building. The site probably glows to the Sight.

I expect any magical sleuthing there is going to come up emptyhanded short of something like the Crown's fiat capabilities.
Or the Archive.
Gnarker said:
Nohing stopping us from taking apart the sub after we don't need it anymore, if it comes down to it.
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Using more magic.
And thats assuming we dont need to make a quick getaway from the scene. Again.
Like I said, might be paranoia, but I think paranoia is warranted.
Current tally: 2 vote difference
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Nov 20, 2022 at 2:15 PM, finished with 77 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Try to cobble together a submersible out of scrap, you've come too far to give up now
    -[X] Have you cyberdevils look for designs of small submersibles to prepare a simplest possible design for you while you are looking for scrap to reuse in the construction.
    -[X] Use excellency: Crafts (Mechanics)
    -[X] Stunt: "Well, we are in an amusement park. Let's go for a ride, shall we?" you ask your companions, before venturing out to gather everything you need. And it's surprising what you can find. A Flying Turns sled, one large enough that you could sit in your father's lap comfortably and there would be place left for Lydia, to serve as basis for the machine. Helium gas bottles from old air balloon kiosks. Windows from a burned down dance hall. Wiring from various places. As you look at the gathered scrap, and concentrate, multiple robotic manipulators spring into existence around you, ready to follow the design you based on what your faithful electronic minions found. The sled is covered in metal sheets, welded together, the gas bottles are renovated and made into both an air supply system and emergency thrust, a long length of hose and some plastic bottles becoming individual air supply channels in case of hull breach. Pieces of broken windows are heated, and then reformed into portholes. An old roller coaster engine is given new life and a serious tune up to drives the propellers, freshly made from a pair of old weather vanes through a series of newly cut gears. A complicated mechanical steering system takes shape from random pipes and chains. A pair of gas powered harpoon guns, fashioned from some pieces of rebar, guy-wire and yet another gas bottle take place at the front . In the end, the only thing left to your companions is to decide on the paintjob.
    [X]Write-In: Plan Thunderball
    -[X]Build boat out of ice
    -[X]Build diving gear out of steel,scrap and hardware store purchases
    -[X]Drive boat out to buoy and tie up there
    -[X]Tie one end of rope to lake buoy and dive ~60 feet to the lake bottom with the other end until you find underwater entrance
    -[X]Secure guide rope and glowsticks nearby and go up for rest of party
    -[X]STUNT: Your father thumps the packages down on the sand by the left of your workspace. "Rope, safety goggles, rubber hose, chemsticks." As a robotic arm immediately grabs for the rubber hose, on the other side he drops his second burden. "Ten gallon can of gas. Everything I could get out of Walmart." "Great" you reply. "I've already built and filled the air bottles and regulators, so give me another ten minutes and I should be done with the rest of the diving gear. Then we can gas her up"He looks along the shoreline to where Lydia is fending off curious ghosts from the beached glacial ice-boat she insists on calling Argo. "What engine did you end up putting in that thing?" he asks bemusedly. "Turbine. Easier to build, and less likely to fail if a warlock waggles its fingers at it."
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We aren't exactly lying low in any case. Our dad's license plate numbers seem to be commonly known by at least the red court and likely many other factions. Basically anyone in the know is going to be able to figure out that we were active in the area with very minor amounts of investigation.
 
fictionfan said:
We aren't exactly lying low in any case. Our dad's license plate numbers seem to be commonly known by at least the red court and likely many other factions. Basically anyone in the know is going to be able to figure out that we were active in the area with very minor amounts of investigation.
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Also, they should have cultists themselves as arcane links. I mean, we fought them. Knocked one unconscious (possibly made her reevaluate her life).

Oh, and a mechanics question for later. Let's say Molly makes a mercury filled bullet. Uses Rendered Villain Dispersal on the core, than has it sealed. The bullet is shot into someone's body and penetrates (but doesn't necessarily kill). Assuming Molly tries to drop RVL, how would her rematerialization be handled? Would CCC apply to it? How much damage would it deal? Would it be lethal or aggravated? I mean, this is telefragging, essentially.
 
Yog said:
Also, they should have cultists themselves as arcane links. I mean, we fought them. Knocked one unconscious (possibly made her reevaluate her life).

Oh, and a mechanics question for later. Let's say Molly makes a mercury filled bullet. Uses Rendered Villain Dispersal on the core, than has it sealed. The bullet is shot into someone's body and penetrates (but doesn't necessarily kill). Assuming Molly tries to drop RVL, how would her rematerialization be handled? Would CCC apply to it? How much damage would it deal? Would it be lethal or aggravated? I mean, this is telefragging, essentially.
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The sane solution would be that we appear next to the liquid we dispersed in, not right inside it.
So we also appear near the target of the bullet, rather than telefrag.
 
fictionfan said:
We aren't exactly lying low in any case. Our dad's license plate numbers seem to be commonly known by at least the red court and likely many other factions. Basically anyone in the know is going to be able to figure out that we were active in the area with very minor amounts of investigation.
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Suspicion is not knowledge.
Ambiguity matters; see the Daedalus Group's report about the museum massacre and how they suspect that Dresden was the cause of the ritual there coming to an abrupt end due to the correlation between his being released from prison.

Not leaving stuff for people to cross match with is particularly important when dealing with largescale, public events of the sort that get the attention of a lot of people.

Every show or book I've watched tends to suggest that its patterns that get people tripped up.
Allows your opposition to build profiles of your capabilities, or legal cases going forward.
And unlike Michael, we cant assume the White God's agents are going to be cleaning up our tracks.

Yog said:
Also, they should have cultists themselves as arcane links. I mean, we fought them. Knocked one unconscious (possibly made her reevaluate her life).

Oh, and a mechanics question for later. Let's say Molly makes a mercury filled bullet. Uses Rendered Villain Dispersal on the core, than has it sealed. The bullet is shot into someone's body and penetrates (but doesn't necessarily kill). Assuming Molly tries to drop RVL, how would her rematerialization be handled? Would CCC apply to it? How much damage would it deal? Would it be lethal or aggravated? I mean, this is telefragging, essentially.
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-We've been explicitly told that not all cultists make good links.
See how our attempt to use a cultist to figure out Niemi's path didnt work. If the Crown has issues using cultists as arcane links, less powerful divination magics are in for a much tougher time.

-What Artemis said.
The ruling would probably be that the impact of hitting the target ejected her from the bullet before it penetrated.
Exploding out of someone's ass sounds hilarious, though.
 
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