Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

That said, if they do end up bringing heavier weapons, I'd rather that Molly be the one in front.
Kevlar is of limited effectiveness against rifle rounds, and will do jack all if they bring anything stronger (IIRC you have to go to armor plates to reliably stop rifle rounds).
I don't really know how durable Lydia is beyond 'supernaturally so', and I would rather not find out the hard way that the answer is 'not durable enough'. Even if the answer is 'on par with non-Shintai Molly', remember that we lost half our wound tracks to automatic(?) small arms fire. I don't know how the rules work with automatic weapons that have deeper ammunition reserves (so not expending the entire magazine in one round), at least if one's strategy is consisting of holding down the trigger and sweeping the muzzle back and forth (attacks rolled against everyone in the affected area?)
It's possible that one of our people will have to interpose themselves between incoming gunfire and the civilians, and Molly, at least with Shintai, is the tankiest by a good margin.
 
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No it isnt.
You cant rules lawyer someone, or a group of someones, trying to kill us in a battle we initiated as an attempt to keep us confined, just because it happened indoors. There are limits to how far you can reasonably expect to cheese that charm.


You mean they tried here and failed. Close only counts with handgrenades and nuclear weappns, not magic rituals.

There are lots of places where they havent tried and havent failed.
Places with Finns. Places with less government scrutiny. Fewer records. They could have gone elsewhere.
Returning here suggests there's an advantage to either this location specifically or this population specifically.

Which suggests portal/weak spot/loophole that can be accessed here.


The Nightmare operated for at least a month, possibly more without issue in Grave Peril. Evil Bob was up and about for seven years in canon without anyone noticing. Corpsetaker's ghost operated for seven years years between Dead Beat and Ghost Story, eating its way back to full power. The baka baku was eating patients in a Chicago hospital in Day One.

The Grendelkin was eating people right in Chicago's Undertown in Heorot, and noone noticed until he stole a barrel of mead at a competition. Dresden isnt even sure he killed him, he just ran and didnt go back to check.

Even this operation has been going on for at least half a decade, counting construction time and regulatory review.
Nobody noticed or did shit until the White God's people sent the Fist of God along. You have a distinctly rosy picture of the setting if you think what amounts to a magical serial killer with global reach wont just skip jurisdictions.

See the skinwalkers.
Wizards have good reason to dislike them. Everyone has a good idea where to find them. Noone willingly picks that fight.



1)This is not true.

To my recollection, Michael has been disabled by gunfire only twice, and both of those were by Denarians. The first time was Nicodemus pulling an Indiana in the middle of a swordfight in Death Masks. The second was Tessa shooting him with an AK in Small Favor as he was getting on the evac helicopter.

Seriously. The Denarians have hereditary cultists. Entire villages and bloodlines of mortals whose entire lives are built around serving Nicky et al as minions. They're so devoted, they have their tongues cut out. They take suicide pills iirc. You think the Denarians wont have tried that by now if it had any chance of success?

Knights are not immortal, but you are gravely underestimating the risk they pose to groups of hostile mortals.

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2)Your assessment is inaccurate. The moment Molly popped shintai cultists stopped being a factor for her.

Let me explain.
Shintai!Molly had 12x -0 HLs, not counting her Ox-Body HLs, and was rolling Soak 14 (Stamina 4 + Ebon Scales 1 + VLE 5 + Demon Armor 4 ) at DC5. Her base Parry dice pool was 15 dice at DC4, before Excellency.

Heavy pistols, the type the cultists were carrying, deal 5L damage. Assault rifles are 7L.
There's good odds she could have stood still in front of a firing squad with standard AR assault rifles on automatic, and taken no damage. Not scratch damage, no damage. Pistols wont do anything.

And that assumes they could have hit her in the first place, because hitting a flying target thats moving x2 human speed in close combat with your patron monster-god who you dont want to hit is NOT a standard DC6 difficulty roll.
Frankly, they would have been an impediment rather than a benefit.

If they had had a miniboss around, or someone with Ex2-style War Charms instead of just a squishy sorcerer, then maybe they might have been other than scenery in a fight between an Infernal in shintai and a Raksha throwing around AoE attacks.



1)You said that having cultists were a core part of its story. I pointed out that Pathfinders have transnational funding, and ergo have transnational members. If it was free, it could have left Cleveland to where some of its other cultists are. If it valued this particular set, it could have ordered them to join it at it destination. Or recruited new ones.

Cultists have never been a good reason for its staying here, within a couple hundred miles of a Sword bearer.

2)Also worth noting that cultists are not a part of the story of Iku Turso's mythology, nor are they a constant with all Raksha.
Its entirely possible for Iku Turso to break out of its prison and its first actions being to eat the cultists that helped break it out.


Fair enough.
it probably works for ccc if our intention is to get out not if our intention is to beat them and then get out. Maybe beat up in the process of escape. It really depends on our goals right?
 
No it isnt.
You cant rules lawyer someone, or a group of someones, trying to kill us in a battle we initiated as an attempt to keep us confined, just because it happened indoors. There are limits to how far you can reasonably expect to cheese that charm.
There's no rules lawyering involved. If we are trying to leave a building, and someone intercepts us and engages us in battle, then they are physically stopping us from leaving. That's the definition of what triggers CCC.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 16, 2022 at 1:20 AM, finished with 100 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Dad and Lydia can deal with the rest of the cultists, you can unhook these people from the apparatus
    -[X]Ziptie/restrain disabled cultists
    -[X]Unhook seniors and get them upstairs through the hole in the basement floor, then move the restrained cultists
    -[X]Crown of Eyes:Tank: Do the seals/magics/bindings on Iku Turso's prison need strengthening or replacement? -1 Essence
    -[X]Crown of Eyes: Dead sorcerer: Identities of Pathfinders membership. -1 Essence
    -[X]Tool Constructs: Contain and loot gossamer and Raksha parts. The robot arm that was manipulating gossamer is good base material for a container. -1WP
    -[X]STUNT: You exhale, and look over your companions."A little bruised, but Im fine.Lydia? Any injury?" At her shake of her head you look over to your dad, and he's already shaking his head. "Im fine." He hesitates, then continues. "You are....flying." You look down, and the floor is a full yard below your feet. An effort of will, and you ascend a couple more feet. You firmly restrain your urge to squee, and manage to speak in a halfway normal voice. "Huh. Thats new." Focus.With an effort you bring your attention back."Okay. I'll get the old people out of those things, and through the" you gesture at the hole in the basement roof. "And clean up this floating stuff; its too magic to leave it lying around." Looking over the disabled cultists, you remark. "Dr Niemi isnt here. Dad, I hate to sugggest this, but you and Lydia better get after the rest of them, before someone gets the bright idea of setting off the gas mains to cover an escape." At Lydia's appalled look, you shrug."I saw that on TV once. Better not to give them time to improvise.Wait." You fumble out your phone onehanded. "Didi, swap cellphones with me.If you run into stuff mine will let me know where you are."
    [X] Get the victims out of here ASAP
    [X] Get the victims out of here ASAP
    -[X] Use the Crown of Eyes on the tank to ask where the Raksha has fled to
    -[X] Summon Tool Transcending Constructs to collect Gossamer
    -[X] Use Excellency (Leadership) to get old confused people to trust and follow you without fear
    -[X] Stunt: You move towards the still bound prisoners, propelled over the floor by forces unseen, spilled water rippling around you. Your anima moves with you:
    --[X] Stunt: Eyes of your soul focus on the cracks through which the monster emerging, the question clear in your mind: "Where has my foe fled? Is it back in its prison, bound, or is it running away, free at last?".
    -[X] Stunt: It is with a voice fit to sound from on high, the authority not meant to be questioned you tell the prisoners: "Be not afraid!". This is a phrase that you'll be repeating time and again, as with supernatural speed you move from one prisoner to another, and then, from door to door, freeing everyone from this hell, your father and companion helping to herd the confused elders.
    [X] Dad and Lydia can deal with victims
    -[X] gather gossamer
    [X] Dad and Lydia can deal with the rest of the cultists, you can unhook these people from the apparatus
 
Arc 3 Post 20: The Gleam of Distant Years
The Gleam of Distant Years

25st of July 2006 A.D.

"Dad, Lydia, can you..." You look helplessly between the poor people strapped into this nightmare harvesting apparatus. "I have to get these poor people out of this, but we can't let the monsters responsible for this get away." You spit out the word with more venom than you have ever done in your life. The rashka had simply been following its nature, most of them are not even capable of understanding that that mortals have their own will and agency rather than being props in their particular play.

"How on earth do I know so much about this?" you ask, still hovering mid-air. "Usum, you called the fey back in Arctis Tor something like that thing, but they aren't the same, really really not the same...."

You shake your head. "How are you doing Lydia?"

"Not hurt, but I'm out of potential, you know," She hives a halfhearted attempt to get the blood out of her hair in the water still streaming into the room.

Looking over at dad you are glad to see him looking fine, all the blood on him came from someone else. And isn't is weird to be an expert on that.

"You are....flying." he says sounding surprised and a little uncertain.

You look down... yep still floating. With a thought you rise a few more feet, utterly unarmored from any earthly frame of reference. Something tells you you could fly straight up to outer space like this and it would take no more effort on your part than these first few feet. You firmly restrain your urge to squee, and manage to speak in a halfway normal voice. "Yeah, I can do that now."

Focus. With an effort you bring your attention back."Okay. I'll get the old people out of those things, and through the" you gesture at the hole in the basement roof. "And clean up this floating stuff; its too magic to leave it lying around." Looking over the disabled cultists, you remark. "Dr Niemi isn't here. Dad, I hate to suggest this, but you and Lydia better get after the rest of them, before someone gets the bright idea of setting off the gas mains to cover an escape." At Lydia's appalled look, you shrug."I saw that on TV once. Better not to give them time to improvise. Wait." You fumble out your phone one-handed . "Lydia , swap cellphones with me. If you run into stuff mine will let me know where you are."

"Sure..." As she takes the phone she looks down at the man she had killed. "What are we going to do about... I mean that has all sorts of forensic evidence on it doesn't it?"

"Don't worry about. In places like this... well let's just say it's the unlikely the authorities would launch that sort of investigation. Daedalus is not the norm when dealing with attacks by supernatural powers."

"I can incinerate it," you offer instantly. "I mean I'm gonna need tools to deal with the magic stuff, it isn't any harder to make several things than one as long as I do them all at once."

Dad gives you a worried look, but you are not sure what you are supposed to do about not feeling sorry. They were the ones who decided to feed people to a soul eating chthonian horror.

Speaking of the horror... As dad and Lydia leave you look at the pieces of dark glass and question if the bindings upon Iku Turso's prison need strengthening.

No, he has been deceived. You can almost taste its rage and bitterness upon the air, though that raises more questions that your crown alas cannot answer.

Next you start to draw out tools from the boundless pit of your shadow. First an incinerator of brass and black stone though before you make use of it you ask of the corpose what are the identities of the Pathfinder members. A mental list of eighty seven names is not what you had expected, nor the addendum 'those who open the way..'The way to what?

Even as the questions keep piling up there is still work to be done.

You gently cut loose each of the prisoners from their pillars, then careful not to jostle them, you pull off the helmets. Good, they are still sleeping... you are not sure what you would have said if one of them woke up to be honest. Your look is a lot more kickass than comforting right now. Unfortunately there isn't anywhere soft to put the poor people, the best you can do it strip the jackets off the guards and make some makeshift pillows off of them.

You gain 1 Willpower -> now at 5/9 Temporary Willpower

Speaking of the guards... there is no way to know how long they will stay down for. You pull out a device that wrought of spindles and wheels, spinning and sparking, spindly robotic appendages pulling out the wiring that is hanging from the ceiling to make bindings.

The next thing you draw forth is not so readily recognizable. If it were not made of brass studded studded with blood red rubies and eerily glowing topaz you are not sure you would even recognize it as a machine. It looks almost alive an eyeless insect-like head atop a flexible metallic neck chewing up the black 'glass' until it becomes flexible like melted wax, sticky like tar. You spin it between your hands like clay on the potter's wheel until it becomes a small jar wider at the top and narrowing towards the bottom. Then you take more of the stuff and make the head of a man... no not quite a man, two horns arc from his temples in perfect symmetry and between then a sun disk with four rays. He looks vaguely like a picture you had seen of the Egyptian god Ra, but this is not Ra, you know with rock solid almost painful certainty. You spend the next few minutes chasing pieces of gossamer around the room and scoping them up into the jar. Ma'at to contain Isfet, order to contain chaos, the thought comes unbidden in your mind.

Lost 4 Essence (Two Crown Uses, One Tool Transcending Construct; One Crafting Excellency) -> Now at 2/12

That is what this is, you realize, primordial chaos which can be shaped into the most fantastical of workings and only fantastical workings. The substance rebels against the mundane and the commonplace against that which already has a place in shaped Creation. Precious perilous thing.

Gained Jar of Gossamer: These are the tears that stone weeps, the symphony that fire sings, the sorrows of trees and thunder's secret laughter. The raw substance of improbable possibilities lies within. It can be wrought to and forged to make wonders and terrors, to bend the rules of the mundane wold in ways that no power of the world can match.

Gained 2 Essence from Urge -> now at 4/12 Essence

"They fey courts would pay a great deal for this for it sings of their nature and yet is unbound," Usum explains. "Bargain with winter and wipe clean its enmity, bargain with Summer gain a strong ally against them."

"What do you mean?"
you ask.

"The fey of the courts, of Winter and Summer, of Wyldfae are kin to it and kin to you, born of dreams yet born of flesh... I don't remember. A thousand pardons, Glorious Verdant Majesty" You had never heard Usum sound so angry with himself or so upset.

"That's OK Usum, it's more than we knew before," you try to cheer him up. "Maybe we can ask Bob, or maybe Harry knows some fey who are less scary than Mab."

He does calm down a bit, but you can feel that it still gnaws at him. Before you can say anything else on the matter dad and Lydia come back with news. They had fought another bunch of guards, but in the time it took them to get to his office Niemi had fled after destroying his office with some kind of entropic magic. A lot of the rest of the staff has also fled, some in panic and others for less innocent reasons. everyone on your mental list is gone, other than the guards you have tied up and four more of them upstairs. Ambulances had already started to arrive outside as well as some people from the local churches, responding to a message from Ruth who had got her hands on a phone somehow.

"Things are in good hands here Molly," your dad says with utter conviction.

"Don't take it the wrong way, but that is a little creepy," you reply.

Lydia just kind of looks at you from green fire-crowned-head to brass-and-onyx shod toe for a moment before both of you burst into laughter.

What do you do next?

[] Deal with the Red Court presence in town

[] See if you can track down the escaped cultists

[] Return home, someone is going to have to deliver all these Pathfinder goons to the White Council

[] Write in


OOC: As far as Michael's sense of his task as a knight is concerned this was wrapped up as soon as you saved the people from the apparatus, but you can of course keep pocking this 'off the clock'.
 
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i honestly don't feel like poking the red court right now so...
[X] Return home, someone is going to have to deliver all these Pathfinder goons to the White Council
 
No, he has been deceived. You can almost taste its rage and bitterness upon the air, though that raises more questions that your crown alas cannot answer.
were these madlads trying to farm Raksha? o_O
Ma'at to contain Isfet, order to contain chaos, the thought comes unbidden in your mind.
huh, nice Egyptian tidbit. Could have also used Urizen I guess?
Also, if Michaels/DF White God was more like IRL God and less like Jim's personal delusions, shaping order out of chaos would have been like N1 on his list of deeds. I mean, doesn't it all starts with spirit of god over unshaped ocean of chaos, which he divides? A lot of parallels with Theion there... probably where Exalted got the inspiration?
Gained Jar of Gossamer
niiice, very nice. bribing fae aside, this is a supreme crafting tool if we decide to make something.
[] Deal with the Red Court presence in town

[] See if you can track down the escaped cultists
Or we can use red court to hunt down the cultists.
[] Return home, someone is going to have to deliver all these Pathfinder goons to the White Council
Eeeh, donno man. White Council is always head-chop happy, just not sure how good they would be tracking anyone of import down. Their magic is a bit too... straightforward for this?
 
So, get rid of Enemy 1, get Ally 1, or craft a strong item with Exalted-specific crafting charms. I suppose we also could use for for Linear Magic crafting paths...

Good loot.
 
"They fey courts would pay a great deal for this for it sings of their nature and yet is unbound," Usum explains. "Bargain with winter and wipe clean its enmity, bargain with Summer gain a strong ally against them."

"What do you mean?"
you ask.

"The fey of the courts, of Winter and Summer, of Wyldfae are kin to it and kin to you, born of dreams yet born of flesh... I don't remember. A thousand pardons, Glorious Verdant Majesty" You had never heard Usum sound so angry with himself or so upset.
... Am I reading this right? Because if I am, I think gossamer can be used to craft a new, custom-made mantle. If so, that's big. Big enough that we shouldn't sell it. We should go all in for magical crafting and then show all those upstarts what a determined exalt can do.

[X] See if you can track down the escaped cultists

An expanded vote later, but I think that's the most pressing issue. MIchael and Lydia can handle prisoner transport, Red Court, if they are smart, will skip town, and we can always return for them if they are not. Cultists will be trying to escape, burn down the evidence and need hunting down.

He looks vaguely like a picture you had seen of the Egyptian god Ra, but this is not Ra, you know with rock solid almost painful certainty.
Are we going to have WoD mummies running around?

So, get rid of Enemy 1, get Ally 1, or craft a strong item with Exalted-specific crafting charms. I suppose we also could use for for Linear Magic crafting paths...
We might want to buy The Man Who Sold the World.
 
We might want to buy The Man Who Sold the World.
The Man is, sadly, a temporary bamboozle charm; it wears off. Good for pooling wool over the eyes of ppl we have, awful for long-term relationships.
... Am I reading this right? Because if I am, I think gossamer can be used to craft a new, custom-made mantle. If so, that's big. Big enough that we shouldn't sell it. We should go all in for magical crafting and then show all those upstarts what a determined exalt can do.
Probably not. It is just a jar of high quality crafting material that is currently neutral and could be attuned to either Winter or Summer. It is a great gift, but it isn't that sort of thing you can tilt the cosmic balance with.
 
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... Am I reading this right? Because if I am, I think gossamer can be used to craft a new, custom-made mantle. If so, that's big. Big enough that we shouldn't sell it. We should go all in for magical crafting and then show all those upstarts what a determined exalt can do.

[X] See if you can track down the escaped cultists

An expanded vote later, but I think that's the most pressing issue. MIchael and Lydia can handle prisoner transport, Red Court, if they are smart, will skip town, and we can always return for them if they are not. Cultists will be trying to escape, burn down the evidence and need hunting down.


Are we going to have WoD mummies running around?

Mantles take more than just gossamer to make. This can make artifacts or constructs, but a full mantle would need a lot more of the stuff and probably some ingredients you do not know about.

The implication is that it looks like a sun god that is not the sun
 
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I want to deal with the Reds, but at the same time I'm pretty sure that's not why Michael was sent to Cleveland. As this fight demonstrated, we can accomplish a lot in a short time, but doing it also depletes our resources just as quickly. Lydia's tank is empty and ours is at half capacity even after restoring some Essence thanks to learning a secret. IIRC, we also lose some Essence after our Shintai's duration expires?

The Reds have at least 18 vampires in town, in addition to whatever human assets they brought with them and an unknown number of local thralls (many being Cleveland police officers). From what Andre told us, the Reds are split between three different locations, so it's not like we could blitz their nest and expect to deal with them all at once, spending our power freely because there aren't likely to be any other threats remaining in town.

Better to get back to Chicago, IMO. We've got important information the White Council needs immediately. The Pathfinders may or may not be dealing with Outsiders, but Raksha seem to be enough of an edge case that the WC is probably going to want to investigate. Might even get the Gatekeeper involved. Sharing the details of the Red Court infiltration of the Cleveland PD is also important. We could even leak that info to Daedalus. Doing so will likely get a lot of them killed, but they'll probably move against the Reds much quicker than the WC would.

As for tracking the cultists down in the short term, that might be a lot easier said than done. They've got a lot of experience staying under the radar, after all. With their Soul's Rest operation blown wide open, they've got no reason to stick around for any longer than it takes to grab their bug out bags and flee, if they don't simply flee immediately.

[X] Return home, someone is going to have to deliver all these Pathfinder goons to the White Council
 
Gossamer is very nice; I'm tempted by the idea of making stuff with it, but it's worth considering paying off our enemy dot with winter.

The thing with the fey is that they're sort of like Hollywood quicksand. The more you wade into things the harder it is to get out again. Having dots of a relationship with them ensures they'll involve themselves again eventually, and just drag us deeper.

Trying to clear it with other means before that happens carries the risk of getting uno reversed into being even more involved than we were at the start.

I'd prefer a less antagonistic relationship with them, but even for those who don't there's value in not being on a timer for more fey bullshit.

We definitely shouldn't buy ally dots in summer while we have enemy ones with winter though; that's just asking to get sucked into inter-court politics.
We might want to buy The Man Who Sold the World.
Seems like a bad plan to me. MWSW is for conning people who can't retaliate since it explicitly allows the target to realize what happened to them.

Using it on lesser fey is one thing, but any sort of official interaction with the courts as a corporate entity or with their leadership individually should be done without using things that they might see through and smite us over after the fact.
 
The Man is, sadly, a temporary bamboozle charm; it wears off. Good for pooling wool over the eyes of ppl we have, awful for long-term relationships.
Seems like a bad plan to me. MWSW is for conning people who can't retaliate since it explicitly allows the target to realize what happened to them.

Using it on lesser fey is one thing, but any sort of official interaction with the courts as a corporate entity or with their leadership individually should be done without using things that they might see through and smite us over after the fact.
Yeah, ok, fair enough. I would rather use it for crafting anyway. Lydia needs a magical weapon, if nothing else.
 
Yeah, ok, fair enough. I would rather use it for crafting anyway. Lydia needs a magical weapon, if nothing else.
Maybe there's enough to split? I'd really like to make a neat enchantment, but getting some buffer from fey bullshit would be nice.

Right now when we go into our conversation with Mab we've got to worry about cutting a deal that will probably have a catch in it somewhere. Being able to clear the board and go home is a rare opportunity.

We could then reengage as allies or enemies when we're strong enough to have any business playing at this level of the game.
 
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