Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
No? This was never TRUE even in 2E. Can you provide citations?
Because "Summon Elemental" spell actually creates an elemental from raw essence.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Because "Summon Elemental" spell actually creates an elemental from raw essence.
Even if that was true, the world has changed a lot since then. We can't seriously expect anyone to throw themselves at our feet for the sake of oaths that might predate the universe they were born in.
Yes.
As I have said before, although not here, that spell is closer to Conjuring than Summoning.
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I feel for Lydia. If her dad's been keeping her not informed about a lot of things...
Evil wizard ghosts, earth elementals, ghosts, gremlins, ghoulies, and monster of all type are like... bad. And horrifying. But they can at least fit into the more cynical worldview. Be wary of strangers, be wary of bargains etc.
"I am a superhero on a mission from God to fight evil
"
Is probably... hard to believe? Or at least see for what it is.
I am also worried that might raise further questions. Like. "If this is team good guys, and I haven't even been TOLD about them. What does that say about my father, and about me."
On top of numerous other existential crises.
Evil wizard ghosts, earth elementals, ghosts, gremlins, ghoulies, and monster of all type are like... bad. And horrifying. But they can at least fit into the more cynical worldview. Be wary of strangers, be wary of bargains etc.
"I am a superhero on a mission from God to fight evil
"Is probably... hard to believe? Or at least see for what it is.
I am also worried that might raise further questions. Like. "If this is team good guys, and I haven't even been TOLD about them. What does that say about my father, and about me."
On top of numerous other existential crises.
For what it is worth Molly did not get any sense that elementals should serve her. It feels a bit familiar to see one, but it's one of those cases where she does not know if it is because of some mystical insight or just because she is familiar with the concept from WoW.
That 3ed
Summon Elemental
Cost: 10+ motes
Target: Elemental
This spell is much like Demon of the First Circle and uses, generally, the same rules, with the following exceptions:
• It summons an elemental and not a demon.
• It can be cast any time — the ritual takes four hours and need not start at sunset or end at midnight.
• The roll to banish the elemental if the binding fails is at regular difficulty, not at +2 difficulty.
• The elemental will not serve for more than a lunar month, and any task it is set to cannot take longer than a year and a day.
• The kidnap and enslavement of elementals can outrage the Celestial Hierarchy. Characters who mistreat their servants or who bind the subjects of a powerful spirit entity are likely to earn the ire of the spirit world.
Cost: 10+ motes
Target: Elemental
This spell is much like Demon of the First Circle and uses, generally, the same rules, with the following exceptions:
• It summons an elemental and not a demon.
• It can be cast any time — the ritual takes four hours and need not start at sunset or end at midnight.
• The roll to banish the elemental if the binding fails is at regular difficulty, not at +2 difficulty.
• The elemental will not serve for more than a lunar month, and any task it is set to cannot take longer than a year and a day.
• The kidnap and enslavement of elementals can outrage the Celestial Hierarchy. Characters who mistreat their servants or who bind the subjects of a powerful spirit entity are likely to earn the ire of the spirit world.
3E is dumb about a lot of things, yes.
OctarineShrike
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Probably the most honest answer, the question is how to tactfully explain Gard's current work or to conveniently gloss over it with a half truth.
Molly: Doesn't work FOR any supernatural group at the moment. However she's allied to the Knights of the Cross and Harry Dresden.
Dad: A Knight of the Cross, [Insert description of their role here]
Ms Gard: She's a Valkyrie who works for Odin but is currently doing consulting work for the Chicago Mob. She's allied with us for the moment because the one who abducted Cindy is a rogue Valkyrie who needs to be stopped.
Molly: Doesn't work FOR any supernatural group at the moment. However she's allied to the Knights of the Cross and Harry Dresden.
Dad: A Knight of the Cross, [Insert description of their role here]
Ms Gard: She's a Valkyrie who works for Odin but is currently doing consulting work for the Chicago Mob. She's allied with us for the moment because the one who abducted Cindy is a rogue Valkyrie who needs to be stopped.
Goldfish
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Problem is that this is not our information to share, and Gard definitely wouldn't be happy if we mentioned any of that.
OctarineShrike
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Sure. So the question is how best to gloss over that as I said. Like. "Ms Gard is allied with us for the moment due to a common enemy in the woman who abducted Cindy". Or should there be even less detail than that?
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Well, we could say something like "Gard is allied with us right now because one of the people we're fighting personally murdered three of her sisters."
Technically true, and establishes exactly why Gard is working with us right now: it's personal.
Technically true, and establishes exactly why Gard is working with us right now: it's personal.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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I think it would be safe to simply say that Gard is a specialist who is working with us because our interests, in this case stopping a necromancer plot in the city we live in, currently align.
That doesn't give away any of Gard's info, such as what she is, who she works for, who she's specifically interested in beheading, etc. She's an expert that lives in Chicago and doesn't want necromancers making a mess in her backyard.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
So basically Plan Yog. Fair enough.
[X] Explain that as much as you are working with anyone it's with Harry who is in jail
-[X] That's kinda a start of a long discussion. In short, I am a free agent, and am in this to help a friend and out of the general "stopping nazi necromancers is a good thing" civic duty sense. Dad is a Knight of the Cross, if it tells you anything - they are God's agents protecting people against forces of evil. Ms. Gard is an ally, she's here for personal reasons.
[X] Explain that as much as you are working with anyone it's with Harry who is in jail
-[X] That's kinda a start of a long discussion. In short, I am a free agent, and am in this to help a friend and out of the general "stopping nazi necromancers is a good thing" civic duty sense. Dad is a Knight of the Cross, if it tells you anything - they are God's agents protecting people against forces of evil. Ms. Gard is an ally, she's here for personal reasons.
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[X] Explain that as much as you are working with anyone it's with Harry who is in jail
-[X] That's kinda a start of a long discussion. In short, I am a free agent, and am in this to help a friend and out of the general "stopping nazi necromancers is a good thing" civic duty sense. Dad is a Knight of the Cross, if it tells you anything - they are God's agents protecting people against forces of evil. Ms. Gard is an ally, she's here for personal reasons.
-[X] That's kinda a start of a long discussion. In short, I am a free agent, and am in this to help a friend and out of the general "stopping nazi necromancers is a good thing" civic duty sense. Dad is a Knight of the Cross, if it tells you anything - they are God's agents protecting people against forces of evil. Ms. Gard is an ally, she's here for personal reasons.
[x]Yog
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[X] Explain that as much as you are working with anyone it's with Harry who is in jail
-[X] That's kinda a start of a long discussion. In short, I am a free agent, and am in this to help a friend and out of the general "stopping nazi necromancers is a good thing" civic duty sense. Dad is a Knight of the Cross, if it tells you anything - they are God's agents protecting people against forces of evil. Ms. Gard is an ally, she's here for personal reasons.
-[X] That's kinda a start of a long discussion. In short, I am a free agent, and am in this to help a friend and out of the general "stopping nazi necromancers is a good thing" civic duty sense. Dad is a Knight of the Cross, if it tells you anything - they are God's agents protecting people against forces of evil. Ms. Gard is an ally, she's here for personal reasons.
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Do note that "who we all work for" is explicitly the thing Lydia is asking for, and isn't going to* explain shit without knowing.
*doesn't currently intend to, at least. I'm sure there's social-fu that could change that, although I'm not sure we'd like the aftermath of e.g. intimidating it out of her.
They were made by a Primordial, blessed/infused by a god, them blessed/reinfused by another set of Primordials.
1)This is not accurate.
In 2E the Elemental Courts were created by the Primordials to help regulate Creation's natural processes.
Celestial Exalts have some authority over them as part of the overthrow of the Primordials, but its supposed to be strictly regulated.
You get to borrow them, but they still have their own jobs to do.
2)Even if it was true, Infernals would have no authority over elementals of Creation.
Because when your allegiance is to Malfeas/Hell, you cant claim authority over elementals whose chain of command terminates in Yu-Shan/Heaven.
Dont mistake teenage dramatics for any sort of coherent policy. Meet her halfway and she'll fold.
She literally has no way of confirming anything she's asking us to tell her here. We could tell her any manner of baldfaced lies about our allegiances and she wouldnt be able to tell the difference because she apparently got fuckall supernatural education and has no magical lie detection. Imagine being a supernatural in Chicago for almost a year and not knowing who Michael Carpenter is.
Look at the poor girl's situation.
Her father, in an apparent attempt to raise her normal, left her with so few supernatural references and sources of information that she got conned into letting a disembodied necromancer almost eat her alive. She has only been in Chicago for less than a year, so she has no community links, and was sheltered before that.
She has no way of physically compelling her will against three armed combatants.
She cant go back home because she let the Capriocorpus inside the wards, and she has no way of checking if it will come back. The bodyguards she's previously mentioned are mysteriously absent.
Girl is just attempting to reassert some control in her life after profound trauma by saying Papers Please.
Its not a serious attempt at identification, its a plea for reassurance.
Note that she isnt scrambling for her phone to call her parent for help, like most teenagers would after something tried to kidnap and eat them. Which means either her father doesnt have a cellphone, which is possible but unlikely even for an oldfashioned person, or he's missing, and she knows calling his phone wont reach him.
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I'd have liked if we had explained to her that we are trying to prevent her father from being eaten. bit too late though it would of given her info she wants rather than what we've given her. I'm unsure she even knows what her dad is yet.
I don't believe so. Autochthon invented the method of making Exaltations, and may have provided a key ingredient, but the Incarna forged their own Exaltations. There was a forge in the Daystar that the UCS made the solar ones.
Which edition is this from? 2E it was definitely Autochton who made exaltations. Incarna empowered / aspected them, but the secret and ability to create new ones lies with Autochton, which is the reason no more can be made.
Lytek, God of Exaltation has a set of bespoke tools for maintaining Celestial Exalt shards, and the fact that one of them is missing is a fairly significant plot point. They were made by Autobot, not by Sol Invictus or Luna or anyone else.
Which wouldnt be necessary if the Incarnae made their own shit.
My recollection is that Autobot designed and manufactured the Celestial shards, while the Incarnae aspected and empowered the.
At least, thats the story in 2E.
3E's mythology is all over the place, because its necessary to find a justification for all the new Exalt types which allows seemingly everyone to make one.
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lyteks probably super dead right?