Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Attempt to provide some immediate first aid to stabilize the guy at risk of dying, using tool transcending constructs if necessary
-[X] If successful at keeping him alive, instruct the others to elevate his legs and keep an eye on his injuries. Call an ambulance only after we've left with Cindy
-[X] If unsuccessful, have the other minions elevate his legs, put pressure on his wound, and call for help as the assault team enters the undercity
-[X] I'm either case, when making that call have Clippy reach out to Burny and instruct him to do it for us.
 
Source? In Ex vs WOD I didn't see anything about that. And knowledge rolls in OWOD can't be made untrained AFAIK. Found a VTM Dark ages wiki mentioning that and it said so in Mage revised, and I find it improbable VTM20th changed their mind about this.
DP has also made comments about not rolling something because we don't have dots in the appropriate ability.

Means should probably put at least one dot in a lot of things eventually.
 
@BronzeTongue, I don't suppose you would be willing to remove using the Tool Charm to help the wounded man from your vote? That's an Essence expenditure th a we could really come to regret later.
 
So the votes are kinda all over the place right now.

I don't like this option for previously stated reasons, but it's better than the current alternatives, IMO.

[X] Have Clipy send out a call when you are at the Undertown entrance, there are still at least two more thralls in the shop besides
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Sep 8, 2022 at 1:30 PM, finished with 24 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Have Clipy send out a call when you are at the Undertown entrance, there are still at least two more thralls in the shop besides
    [X] Attempt to provide some immediate first aid to stabilize the guy at risk of dying, using tool transcending constructs if necessary
    -[X] If successful at keeping him alive, instruct the others to elevate his legs and keep an eye on his injuries. Call an ambulance only after we've left with Cindy
    -[X] If unsuccessful, have the other minions elevate his legs, put pressure on his wound, and call for help as the assault team enters the undercity
    -[X] I'm either case, when making that call have Clippy reach out to Burny and instruct him to do it for us.
    [X] Break out the burning pitch and tar. It's time to operate. :V
    [X] Tell the captured men elevate their wounded comrade's legs and to put pressure on the wound as we rush to engage the remaining men in the shop. That's what you've seen on TV, and it seems like decent advice in this instance.
    -[X] Once Cindy is secure, we'll have Clippy contact 911.
    [X] "If it will avoid an argument…" you say as an idea forms in your mind, "I'm pretty sure my ability to summon tools also works for medical equipment, including everything I need for surgery. I haven't used it that way before, but using my conjured tools has been instinctive since I gained my powers. I should be good enough that my operating now helps him at least as much as a paramedic getting here after he's been bleeding out for however long it takes for an ambulance to get here." You know it's probably arrogant, but with Usum whispering in your mind about your ease with all mortal works and a part of your mind already calculating the feasibility of stripping down the couch or other fabric to be sterilized and turned into sutures, you think a little arrogance is understandable, especially with Clippy searching for medical diagrams to guide you.
 
[X] Have Clipy send out a call when you are at the Undertown entrance, there are still at least two more thralls in the shop besides
 
COMMENTARY
Fucking AK gunner.
And I was right to worry about the pistol guy's alertness. Didnt know Gard could activate bullet immunity; she didnt mention it
On the other hand, secret knowledge get, +2 Essence.

Luckily pistol shots arent unknown in Englewood, and I doubt anyone is going to call the cops.
Still have to find the other two thralls; they're probably underground.

Our anima is glowing.
Eyes everywhere, limned in green fire.
Looks like we're trading unmentioned secrets with Gard.

So two victims for the ER, one of moderate severity.
Looking online, ambulance response times average 7 minutes in urban areas, with standards calling for 6-11 minutes.
So we can expect an ambulance in around ten minutes.

Chest wall injury is bloody, but the critical equipment is protected by the bony ribcage.
As long as we clip any arterial bleeds, preventing continuing bleeding should work, with detailed reconstruction left to the trauma teams in the hospital. Dude will probably take months to heal though, then face local weapon charges because AK47.

ESTIMATES
Starting Resources: 9/12 Essence, 7/9 WP

Tool Constructs(EMP devices): -1 Essence
Tool Constructs(Wall): -1 WP
Dex+Melee Excellency: -1 Essence
Discovering Gard's bullet immunity: +2 Essence

Ending Resources: 9/12 Essence, 6/9 WP


As much as I hate to say this, I suggest we try and save them. Even if they are bad people, Molly's dad is the standard to which we must try and live up to. I dislike White-knighting but in this case, I think it is the right call.
[X] Have Clipy send out a call when you are at the Undertown entrance, there are still at least two more thralls in the shop besides
Do not apologize for virtue, whether generosity or mercy.
Or just being a decent human being.
Its not about the worthiness of the recipient, its about the principles of the giver.

From Molly's occult lore she knows that if the mind control is superficial enough one can break it in the face of mortal peril. Mechanically it gives you one more roll to push the magic out, though of course this is not true if the caster was through enough.
Looks like it wasnt Kattrin's work. Which was my expectation as well.
Good for them.

The most medically skilled person here is Michael with one dot. Probably not a good idea to ask him to fix 'axe to the chest'.
Fix? No. Stabilize? Yes.

The chest has a lot of bone protecting the heart and lungs; everything else is just external muscle padding.
And while I'm sure Gard could cut into a person's chest normally with her axe, I have doubts she can do so in the same cut as cutting through an AK47.

Just keeping the person alive for EMT response gets them to a trauma center, and Chicago has a very good Level 1 trauma center.
Going to note that you can pool abilities
Source? In Ex vs WOD I didn't see anything about that. And knowledge rolls in OWOD can't be made untrained AFAIK. Found a VTM Dark ages wiki mentioning that and it said so in Mage revised, and I find it improbable VTM20th changed their mind about this.
Molly has Clippy in her phone to look up best practices in trauma injury and whisper it to her.
And her father is there as well.
Just like you can have people being talked through landing a plane by someone in their ear, she can stunt this as well.
 
COMMENTARY
Fucking AK gunner.
And I was right to worry about the pistol guy's alertness. Didnt know Gard could activate bullet immunity; she didnt mention it

Not bullet immunity, just 'I can soak lethal' same as most significant supernatural beings. I mean the Alphas can soak lethal. Former Psychopomps are at least that tough.

Fix? No. Stabilize? Yes.

The chest has a lot of bone protecting the heart and lungs; everything else is just external muscle padding.
And while I'm sure Gard could cut into a person's chest normally with her axe, I have doubts she can do so in the same cut as cutting through an AK47.

That was seven wounds worth of damage, if she had not also cut through the gun she would have sliced that guy in half. As is he is on his last two wounds, not quite critical, but certainly bad enough to be in real danger of death if he does not get to a hospital soon.
 
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[X] Attempt to provide some immediate first aid to stabilize the guy at risk of dying, using tool transcending constructs if necessary
-[X] If successful at keeping him alive, instruct the others to elevate his legs and keep an eye on his injuries. Call an ambulance only after we've left with Cindy
-[X] If unsuccessful, have the other minions elevate his legs, put pressure on his wound, and call for help as the assault team enters the undercity
-[X] I'm either case, when making that call have Clippy reach out to Burny and instruct him to do it for us.


Clippy can only dominate Molly's cell phone. If we make that call from our line we basically tell the authorities we were somehow connected to this. At the very least that we're a witness, which is a bad thing to be when we're already connected to another investigation.

Burny is in a burner phone that hasn't made a single outside call yet. He's as clean as we're likely to get.
Being in Dresden's apartment at best means they can trace it to the nearest cell tower, but that doesn't implicate him directly since he lives in a major city and is currently in jail anyway.
To be fair, caller ID spoofing services were a thing in 2006.
Clippy would just use one of those.
Thats said, I'd vote for you.

VOTE
[X]BronzeTongue

We should have the Essence to stabilize this dude before moving on.
And with Tool Constructs, we can reduce the time necessary to do so by up to an order of magnitude.
We can spare 30 seconds to rip a shirt, clip any arteries and pack the wound to prevent bleeding.
 
Not bullet immunity, just 'I can soak lethal' same as most significant supernatural beings. I mean the Alphas can soak lethal. Former Psychopomps are at least that tough.
Huh.
I didnt know the Alphas could soak lethal. I knew they healed better/faster than normal, but not that they soaked lethal.
Still, figuring out Gard can soak lethal is probably worth a couple Essence.
 
They have combat relevant regen, that is 'can soak lethal' when you compare the systems.

I completely forgot they could do that, at least by the time of Aftermath.
Also on this, it is not really a major enough secret to trip the Urge, but you also did not use any melee excellency which mean you are still at 8/10 Essence
Ah.
That explains why AK dude didnt go down at the sword slash.
 
That was seven wounds worth of damage, if she had not also cut through the gun she would have sliced that guy in half. As is he is on his last two wounds, not quite critical, but certainly bad enough to be in real danger of death if he does not get to a hospital soon
Dammit Gard, dont break the squishies.
Im going to strongly suggest we spend the time to stabilize this fellow.

Current Tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Sep 8, 2022 at 3:38 PM, finished with 35 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Have Clipy send out a call when you are at the Undertown entrance, there are still at least two more thralls in the shop besides
    [X] Attempt to provide some immediate first aid to stabilize the guy at risk of dying, using tool transcending constructs if necessary
    -[X] If successful at keeping him alive, instruct the others to elevate his legs and keep an eye on his injuries. Call an ambulance only after we've left with Cindy
    -[X] If unsuccessful, have the other minions elevate his legs, put pressure on his wound, and call for help as the assault team enters the undercity
    -[X] I'm either case, when making that call have Clippy reach out to Burny and instruct him to do it for us.
    [X] Break out the burning pitch and tar. It's time to operate. :V
    [X] Tell the captured men elevate their wounded comrade's legs and to put pressure on the wound as we rush to engage the remaining men in the shop. That's what you've seen on TV, and it seems like decent advice in this instance.
    -[X] Once Cindy is secure, we'll have Clippy contact 911.
    [X] "If it will avoid an argument…" you say as an idea forms in your mind, "I'm pretty sure my ability to summon tools also works for medical equipment, including everything I need for surgery. I haven't used it that way before, but using my conjured tools has been instinctive since I gained my powers. I should be good enough that my operating now helps him at least as much as a paramedic getting here after he's been bleeding out for however long it takes for an ambulance to get here." You know it's probably arrogant, but with Usum whispering in your mind about your ease with all mortal works and a part of your mind already calculating the feasibility of stripping down the couch or other fabric to be sterilized and turned into sutures, you think a little arrogance is understandable, especially with Clippy searching for medical diagrams to guide you.
 
Im going to strongly suggest we spend the time to stabilize this fellow.
I would vote for a viable option that did that, so long as we first dealt with the two remaining mortal thralls in the next room. Stopping to do first aid on an ene!y is stupid when there are more enemies basically right around the corner.
 
I would vote for a viable option that did that, so long as we first dealt with the two remaining mortal thralls in the next room. Stopping to do first aid on an ene!y is stupid when there are more enemies basically right around the corner.
What next room? Its a tattoo parlor; they arent lavish on space.
As far as I can tell, there are no mortal thralls left here atm. Or they would have come running at the gunshots; we've taken the time to have the perps handcuffed, so time has passed, and we werent worried about getting shot in the back while cuffing three people.

They're either out of the store on a food run or they're underground.

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Is there any other room in the tattoo parlor we should worry about?
 
What next room? Its a tattoo parlor; they arent lavish on space.
As far as I can tell, there are no mortal thralls left here atm. Or they would have come running at the gunshots; we've taken the time to have the perps handcuffed, so time has passed, and we werent worried about getting shot in the back while cuffing three people.

They're either out of the store on a food run or they're underground.

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Is there any other room in the tattoo parlor we should worry about?

There should be about six people in here and you only downed four. The other two should be around, maybe in the back room/storage that has the actual passage into the basement and from there to Undertown. Or one of them could be in the bathroom for all you know.
 
What next room? Its a tattoo parlor; they arent lavish on space.
As far as I can tell, there are no mortal thralls left here atm. Or they would have come running at the gunshots; we've taken the time to have the perps handcuffed, so time has passed, and we werent worried about getting shot in the back while cuffing three people.

They're either out of the store on a food run or they're underground.

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Is there any other room in the tattoo parlor we should worry about?
My understanding was that there were 6 thralls in the building, yet we've only encountered 4 of them. There is no such thing as a one room tattoo parlor, or any one room building that operates as a business. At the very least it will need a restroom and a storage room.
 
There should be about six people in here and you only downed four. The other two should be around, maybe in the back room/storage that has the actual passage into the basement and from there to Undertown. Or one of them could be in the bathroom for all you know.
My understanding was that there were 6 thralls in the building, yet we've only encountered 4 of them. There is no such thing as a one room tattoo parlor, or any one room building that operates as a business. At the very least it will need a restroom and a storage room.
Okay, this sounds like writein/stunt territory. Because we need to make sure there's noone behind us.
A couple minutes while I write one
 
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[X] Have Clipy send out a call when you are at the Undertown entrance, there are still at least two more thralls in the shop besides

You do not stop when clearing a building. That just give them time to prep stuff. And it only seconds for them to send the kill order down.
 
VOTE
[X]Write-In: Stabilize bleeding thrall as Gard and Michael secure the rest of the store, then move towards Undertown entrance. Use Tool Constructs if necessary.
-[X]Have Clippy call Emergency Services when we're at Undertown Entrance. Use caller-ID spoofing online, like swatters use.
-[X]STUNT: "One minute." you say. Catching your father's eyes, then Gard's, you point at your eyes, then motion your hand towards the bathroom door and backroom door. No names. As Clippy begins, unprompted, to whisper trauma response protocols, you kneel beside the handcuffed rifleman, the one who had surrendered, and begin to tear his shirt into makeshift bandages for his friend. Limned in the flickering green fire of your anima, you look into his wide eyes and talk in a low voice. "I want to know where the other two are. And if there is anything you think I should know about your boss or this situation, now is the time to tell me. Before I get mad"


Approval vote for

[]BronzeTongue


REASON
Literal people here could tell us where the others are.

Interrogate the dude to find out where his friends are, and if there is any information we can frighten out of him in the next minute.
Apply field aid to the bleeder, and attempt to stabilize him
Then head underground.

1)Charisma 3 + Intimidate 4 + Stunt 2 to question injured rifleman, who is suffering a wound penalty to his social rolls from the fractured scapula, and is staring at an Infernal with a burning anima.
We dont need to ask about boobytraps on the path be ause I assume that Crown of Eyes would have shown iy.

2)lDexterity 4/Intelligence 4 + Stunt 2 + Clippy to stabilize AK gunman and stop any further bleeding.
Clippy's internet access should be able to serve as a standin for stabilizing
 
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