Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We don't need to make decisions like that. Just interact with the entities in front of us on a case by case basis. Just deal fairly with the ones we meet on a case by case basis.

It just happens to be the cast that fair treatment for a feral ghoul who jumps you looking to have pulled pork for dinner is a stabbing laced with nuclear hellfire.

Ghouls are also not some terrible pathogen; they only spread as fast as normal human reproduction can support. You're just looking for a problem to solve that matches the solution that you want.

As to the rep stuff; there is a difference. Being hellish is scary, but associating with ghouls associates us with their specific crimes. We don't need even more nonsense to work through on that front unless the return is really good.
ehhhh I'm not stuck on this or something I wouldn't say I'm looking for something I just had the thought. Also you know there are a lot of ghouls in chicago alone fairly sure throughout history they've devoured millions (given a lot of those were likely scavenged) they're one of the more prevalent species out there. Was fairly sure we were gonna associate ourselves with worse eventually if only to mitigate how much damage they do worldwide cause making an actual difference is something we can actually do by doing that then just being the average slayer of beasties that eventually repopulate. I'm sure they'd still cause an absurd amount of problems just less than they used to and thats a nice thing to add to the world. Note I'm not really stuck on this idea I just wanted to bring it up.
 
There are different flavors of bad reputations.

For example, Marcone has a bad reputation as a criminal kingpin, but that rep also carries a lot of weight in some circles because he is extremely competent and sets rules which those operating in his territory know not to break on pain of death.

Harry has a reputation among some segments of the supernatural community as a magical thug, because he has a tendency to blow shit up or burn it down, but that's not necessarily always a bad thing because most beings don't want their shit blown up or burnt down.

We can have a reputation as the sword-wielding Nuclear Devil Princess, or whatever people end up associating us with once we become more well known in the community, while still being seen as having standards and a code of conduct we adhere to. Keeping Ghouls on the payroll, even "reformed" Ghouls who only eat an unfortunate homeless dude once a month instead of every week, makes it extremely difficult to cultivate a reputation with any positive aspects.
also for this what do you not get about forcing to send to a hell if they break promises? Like I doubt everyone would join plenty would though and the hell sending is a thing we can get. Honestly our eventual wish thing could be worked up to give near unlimited food to ghouls for the cost of their loyalty could even taste like whatever they wanted really.
 
Fair.
Honest difference of opinion, because I envisioned a pretty open room layout for a tattoo parlor, with lots of light.
Much like a barber shop. And the hole in the backwall lets in even more light.
Yeah, I guess I figured what your picturing would be the front section, while the entrance to the Undertown would be hidden away in the back.
1)Gangsters not soldiers. Even soldiers require time to acquire targets and aim before shooting.
Let alone when you have flash bangs ringing in your ears and fucking up your vision.

Plus, these are falling distances significantly less than two metres. Falling distance is fractions of a second.
Dashung across a room is a second or less; Molly can do almost 11 yards a second, and even a large US room is less than 28 feet in its longest dimension.

2)She is supposed to knock the couch over.
Here's a rough tactical diagram of the battlefield as I visualize it:
1) Fair, I already stated I thought the flashbangs were still mid-air. Actually, given their continued mobility and ability to see, shouldn't Molly's first action be to sidestep away from the opening and wait for the flashbangs to go off before charging in?
2) Ah, that should have been more clear. In that case I'd recommend bouncing off the couch as it falls to attack the AK dude instead of riding it all the way down. Aside from keeping up speed (which may not be necessary if the goons are stunned) it gives the scene a better sense of momentum, whereas riding it down feels almost like Molly stopped mid-charge for some reason.

Tripping the Heck's Angel on the way past might also be cool.
Thrall 2 is crouching or kneeling behind the couch's backrest where he ducked for cover, and aiming past Molly at Michael.
Because he's crouching, Thrall 3 who is behind him can shoot over his head at Molly.

Molly is on the other side of the couch.
Gard is behind Molly, and because Molly and Thrall 1 are in the way, noone can get a clear shot at her.
Michael is a little to the side, so Thrall 2 can aim at him.

Molly bypasses Thrall 1, then hits the couch's backrest with her full weight and momentum, tipping it back on Thrall 2.
She's a big girl at roughly five eleven or six feet and with the weight to match, and couches weigh anywhere from fifty to three hundred and fifty pounds. If she hits the backrest near the top, it will tip fast and fall on Thrall 2.

Then she springs off into Thrall 3, then Thrall 4.
Ah, yeah, was picturing it more as
Rough Diagram said:
__Font Wall and Door ___________________________
:Alarm:
[Thrall 3 AK] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [Thrall 4 Rifle]||
||aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ||
|| aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa _ aaaaaaa ||
|| aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa||C||Thrall ||
|| aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa||o|| 2 aaa ||
|| aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa||u||Pistol ||
|| aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa||c|| aaaa ||
|| aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa||h|| aaaa ||
[Thrall 1(shotgun)] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ||
|| aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ||
||aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ||
《Molly》
《Gard》《Michael》
_____________________Back Wall______________________
Again, different interpretations of the same information, I just didn't think they'd be in a line.
Edit. hang on, the diagram display is giving me trouble
Edit2. There we go, it was having trouble accepting a second dimension.
 
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Nonhuman magic is generally less disruptive to people's brainstuff than human magic,
Sorry, but haven't reread the books in years, and haven't read a lot of the short stories. Where does this get established? I know that it doesn't have the backlash on the user when manipulating people, but don't remember it being gentler on the victim.
 
Sorry, but haven't reread the books in years, and haven't read a lot of the short stories. Where does this get established? I know that it doesn't have the backlash on the user when manipulating people, but don't remember it being gentler on the victim.
I don't really remember it either not to mention literally all thralls shown in canon kind of have a point of no return where they're basically gonna die.
 
I'm not particularly sold on ghouls, but look at how useful Clippy has been.

More minions seem like a sound investment to me.

Of course we would need to pay them. Or enslave them.

Better equipped minions perform better though.

Demonic primacy of essence :V
 
Sorry, but haven't reread the books in years, and haven't read a lot of the short stories. Where does this get established? I know that it doesn't have the backlash on the user when manipulating people, but don't remember it being gentler on the victim.
I don't recall it ever being mentioned in the books. The closest thing to major mental influence we see that doesn't immediately screw the victim up is that time Harry is forced to forget that fire magic is an option. That still seemed to screw him up a bit, and wasn't anywhere near as deep as making someone into a thrall of any type is.

There is a gradient here, but all of its pretty nasty at this level and if we're holding our breath here for the goodwill of a sororicidal nazi necromancer I suspect we're going to suffocate.
 
I don't recall it ever being mentioned in the books. The closest thing to major mental influence we see that doesn't immediately screw the victim up is that time Harry is forced to forget that fire magic is an option. That still seemed to screw him up a bit, and wasn't anywhere near as deep as making someone into a thrall of any type is.

There is a gradient here, but all of its pretty nasty at this level and if we're holding our breath here for the goodwill of a sororicidal nazi necromancer I suspect we're going to suffocate.
plus yeah most thralls don't work out good the most benign thralling seen has seemed to be white court and that can still end in death and eventually to a point where your not really a person anymore before death.
 
Eh, we'll see what mental shape they're in when we interrogate them after capture.

Although, this does bring up the fact that we're going to eventually want to try and cook up a custom charm to deal with thralls. I doubt Dresden verse's "mind magic messes you up and is impossible to heal outside of the mildest cases" really holds up to Exalted "absolute charm effects are absolute." Not until we have our basic build finished to the point where we actually want to start messing around with custom homebrew charms, of course, but eventually.
 
At the next XP spending opportunity we should get Night Swallows Secrets and use it on the Tattoo parlor or some valid target to make it harder to look into this incident.
 
But but they have yet to bother arresting someone for an actual crime.

Or even for being involved in a supernatural dust up.

As opposed to arresting someone in a foolish bid to hire.
The Daedalus folks are not local to Chicago. They're part of the NSB, and they're project is probably fairly small and isolated from the greater FBI apparatus. If they had more people and resources in the area, and had been here for longer, they probably would have made a big enough splash that everyone in the community would already know about them.
 
so long term there any original contacts we might want? Like someone high up in the police department we can trust, someone in the fbi, a lawyer firm in the know stuff like that?
 
First of all, we don't need the hit to our reputation that would come with openly associating with and employing Ghouls. They're basically the bottom feeders of the supernatural world, and rightly so. It would be hard to wash the figurative stink of them off, not to mention the literal stink.
We don't need to make decisions like that. Just interact with the entities in front of us on a case by case basis. Just deal fairly with the ones we meet on a case by case basis.

It just happens to be the cast that fair treatment for a feral ghoul who jumps you looking to have pulled pork for dinner is a stabbing laced with nuclear hellfire. Ghouls are also not some terrible pathogen; they only spread as fast as normal human reproduction can support. You're just looking for a problem to solve that matches the solution that you want.

As to the rep stuff; there is a difference. Being hellish is scary, but associating with ghouls associates us with their specific crimes. We don't need even more nonsense to work through on that front unless the return is really good.
1)Maeve's personal assassin, the Tigress, was a ghoul; the Alphas killed her in Summer Knight.
There's a big ghoul clan, the LaChaises, that are signatories to the Unseelie Accords. Tessa managed to find and hire a set of gun wielding, martial arts employing ghouls in Skin Game.

There doesnt seem to be a supernatural societywide prejudice against ghouls generally, any more than there is a prejudice against most anthropophagic supernaturals. Dresden has a prejudice, but thats a Dresden prejudice.
Just like Ebenezar has a prejudice against White Court vampires.

2)That said, @BronzeTongue is right. We have no particular reason to seek out ghouls as a race at the moment. We treat them as individuals and discrete groups as they come up. If it happens in the future that plot events bring us into having to deal with a group of them peacefully as a corporate entity, thats a different matter.

3)That said, the RPG is very clear that ghouls have it pretty bad.
They are probably scions from human interbreeding with uberghouls, and outside the clans, maybe one in ten make it to adulthood.
Very high mortality rates in a species that has inhuman strength, inhuman speed and supernatural recovery speeds.

Principal causes of death are predation by other supernaturals, homicide by animals who really hate them, falling sick and dying(unknown if particular disease or just general sickness), getting runover by cars.
And suicide.


There are different flavors of bad reputations.
For example, Marcone has a bad reputation as a criminal kingpin, but that rep also carries a lot of weight in some circles because he is extremely competent and sets rules which those operating in his territory know not to break on pain of death.

Harry has a reputation among some segments of the supernatural community as a magical thug, because he has a tendency to blow shit up or burn it down, but that's not necessarily always a bad thing because most beings don't want their shit blown up or burnt down.

We can have a reputation as the sword-wielding Nuclear Devil Princess, or whatever people end up associating us with once we become more well known in the community, while still being seen as having standards and a code of conduct we adhere to. Keeping Ghouls on the payroll, even "reformed" Ghouls who only eat an unfortunate homeless dude once a month instead of every week, makes it extremely difficult to cultivate a reputation with any positive aspects.
The Erl King, King of Summer, is known for leading the Wild Hunt and murdering anyone they catch.And his goblins will happily torture any unfortunate who stumbles into their territory to a very painful death. Trolls still lurk under bridges and eat any unfortunates, including children. All seven known varieties of vampires predate on humans.

Dresden Files is a death world, and a lot of supernatural species prey on humans in one way or the other.

Its not a power thing; naagloshii, vampires and ghouls all prey on humans or human bodies, and occupy varying tier levels.
As long as you're willing and capable of observing the niceties of formal discourse, people will politely ignore everything else.
Or at least pretend to.

Also worth remembering:
A ghoul who haunts morgues, graveyards and butcher yards >>> a ghoul who kills people for meat. Certainly hurts fewer people than a whole lot of vampires.

That said, if we were recruiting ghouls for some reason, fixing the anthropophagy would be a priority.
Just like it would be a priority if we were recruiting vampires.


1) Fair, I already stated I thought the flashbangs were still mid-air. Actually, given their continued mobility and ability to see, shouldn't Molly's first action be to sidestep away from the opening and wait for the flashbangs to go off before charging in?

2) Ah, that should have been more clear. In that case I'd recommend bouncing off the couch as it falls to attack the AK dude instead of riding it all the way down. Aside from keeping up speed (which may not be necessary if the goons are stunned) it gives the scene a better sense of momentum, whereas riding it down feels almost like Molly stopped mid-charge for some reason.

Tripping the Heck's Angel on the way past might also be cool.
1)I assume neither of her allies would let her enter until after the grenades explode.

2)Deliberately rode it down to make sure that Pistol Gunman took at least two hundred pounds of weight on him, counting the sofa and Molly's weight combined, and hoping it deals enough bashing damage to put him out. Just bouncing off it means he only has to deal with the sofa weight, which might not be enough to do more than knock him over

3)Left the wannabe biker alone because Gard was right behind us.
All the contextual cues suggest dude is either new or even more incompetent than the norm, and having him fumble a shotgun because we tripped him could be unintentionally dangerous.

Ah, yeah, was picturing it more as
Again, different interpretations of the same information, I just didn't think they'd be in a line.
Edit. hang on, the diagram display is giving me trouble
Edit2. There we go, it was having trouble accepting a second dimension.
I see where you are coming from.

Thing is, I assumed they were close together because this is a tattoo parlor. Commercial store in a commercial property.
Frontage in a commercial property is limited and expensive, which even in Englewood comes to a fair amount monthly, which puts hard limits on how wide the entire store would be, and thus how wide the front of the store can be.


Sorry, but haven't reread the books in years, and haven't read a lot of the short stories. Where does this get established? I know that it doesn't have the backlash on the user when manipulating people, but don't remember it being gentler on the victim.
Textev mostly.
The Korean warlock in Proven Guilty fucked over his victims badly.
Molly fucked up Rosie and Nathan even when she wanted to help.

Conversely, Turn Coat showed a White Court victim who had an otherwise normal, high functioning life. Denarians who give up the coin go about their lives with no lasting mental issues. Lea had been offering/threatening to enthrall Harry since at least Book 3, and the one time she turns them into animals, they revert unharmed.

And of course, there's Mab taking away Dresden's memory of fire magic for most of Small Favor and Harry still functioning at approximately his customary high levels.
I don't really remember it either not to mention literally all thralls shown in canon kind of have a point of no return where they're basically gonna die.
This is inaccurate.
Only Renfields die, and thats because they are made that way. Madelaine Raith enthralled a lawyer and the woman was wholly fine, and while Dresden didnt think he could undo it, he didnt expect it to get worse. Just put her to sleep and hoped she'd forget his visit.

Well, Renfields and some Nemesis victims. Cat Sith didnt get better from Nemesis hollowing him out.
I don't recall it ever being mentioned in the books. The closest thing to major mental influence we see that doesn't immediately screw the victim up is that time Harry is forced to forget that fire magic is an option. That still seemed to screw him up a bit, and wasn't anywhere near as deep as making someone into a thrall of any type is.

There is a gradient here, but all of its pretty nasty at this level and if we're holding our breath here for the goodwill of a sororicidal nazi necromancer I suspect we're going to suffocate.
Turn Coat. Evelyn Derek, attorney at law of Smith, Cohen and Mackleroy.
Got enthralled by Madelaine Raith, White Court vampire to hire a PI to follow Dresden around. Dresden couldnt undo it, but other than the particular matter she was ordered not to talk about, she was fine.

The evidence we have, scanty as it is, suggests that if they arent actively trying to break your brain, nonhuman magics dont deal permanent damage. Which makes a Watsonian sense if you consider they predate on humans, and unintentionally destroying victims they arent feeding on is wasteful.
 
1)Maeve's personal assassin, the Tigress, was a ghoul; the Alphas killed her in Summer Knight.
There's a big ghoul clan, the LaChaises, that are signatories to the Unseelie Accords. Tessa managed to find and hire a set of gun wielding, martial arts employing ghouls in Skin Game.

There doesnt seem to be a supernatural societywide prejudice against ghouls generally, any more than there is a prejudice against most anthropophagic supernaturals. Dresden has a prejudice, but thats a Dresden prejudice.
Just like Ebenezar has a prejudice against White Court vampires.

2)That said, @BronzeTongue is right. We have no particular reason to seek out ghouls as a race at the moment. We treat them as individuals and discrete groups as they come up. If it happens in the future that plot events bring us into having to deal with a group of them peacefully as a corporate entity, thats a different matter.

3)That said, the RPG is very clear that ghouls have it pretty bad.
They are probably scions from human interbreeding with uberghouls, and outside the clans, maybe one in ten make it to adulthood.
Very high mortality rates in a species that has inhuman strength, inhuman speed and supernatural recovery speeds.

Principal causes of death are predation by other supernaturals, homicide by animals who really hate them, falling sick and dying(unknown if particular disease or just general sickness), getting runover by cars.
And suicide.



The Erl King, King of Summer, is known for leading the Wild Hunt and murdering anyone they catch.And his goblins will happily torture any unfortunate who stumbles into their territory to a very painful death. Trolls still lurk under bridges and eat any unfortunates, including children. All seven known varieties of vampires predate on humans.

Dresden Files is a death world, and a lot of supernatural species prey on humans in one way or the other.

Its not a power thing; naagloshii, vampires and ghouls all prey on humans or human bodies, and occupy varying tier levels.
As long as you're willing and capable of observing the niceties of formal discourse, people will politely ignore everything else.
Or at least pretend to.

Also worth remembering:
A ghoul who haunts morgues, graveyards and butcher yards >>> a ghoul who kills people for meat. Certainly hurts fewer people than a whole lot of vampires.

That said, if we were recruiting ghouls for some reason, fixing the anthropophagy would be a priority.
Just like it would be a priority if we were recruiting vampires.



1)I assume neither of her allies would let her enter until after the grenades explode.

2)Deliberately rode it down to make sure that Pistol Gunman took at least two hundred pounds of weight on him, counting the sofa and Molly's weight combined, and hoping it deals enough bashing damage to put him out. Just bouncing off it means he only has to deal with the sofa weight, which might not be enough to do more than knock him over

3)Left the wannabe biker alone because Gard was right behind us.
All the contextual cues suggest dude is either new or even more incompetent than the norm, and having him fumble a shotgun because we tripped him could be unintentionally dangerous.



I see where you are coming from.

Thing is, I assumed they were close together because this is a tattoo parlor. Commercial store in a commercial property.
Frontage in a commercial property is limited and expensive, which even in Englewood comes to a fair amount monthly, which puts hard limits on how wide the entire store would be, and thus how wide the front of the store can be.



Textev mostly.
The Korean warlock in Proven Guilty fucked over his victims badly.
Molly fucked up Rosie and Nathan even when she wanted to help.

Conversely, Turn Coat showed a White Court victim who had an otherwise normal, high functioning life. Denarians who give up the coin go about their lives with no lasting mental issues. Lea had been offering/threatening to enthrall Harry since at least Book 3, and the one time she turns them into animals, they revert unharmed.

And of course, there's Mab taking away Dresden's memory of fire magic for most of Small Favor and Harry still functioning at approximately his customary high levels.

This is inaccurate.
Only Renfields die, and thats because they are made that way. Madelaine Raith enthralled a lawyer and the woman was wholly fine, and while Dresden didnt think he could undo it, he didnt expect it to get worse. Just put her to sleep and hoped she'd forget his visit.

Well, Renfields and some Nemesis victims. Cat Sith didnt get better from Nemesis hollowing him out.

Turn Coat. Evelyn Derek, attorney at law of Smith, Cohen and Mackleroy.
Got enthralled by Madelaine Raith, White Court vampire to hire a PI to follow Dresden around. Dresden couldnt undo it, but other than the particular matter she was ordered not to talk about, she was fine.

The evidence we have, scanty as it is, suggests that if they arent actively trying to break your brain, nonhuman magics dont deal permanent damage. Which makes a Watsonian sense if you consider they predate on humans, and unintentionally destroying victims they arent feeding on is wasteful.
uh white court thralls are just people who've basically been sucked on by white court thats eventually terminal.

Edit: Though your kinda right as thats probably just a natural by product of being fed on enough until there isn't anything left to be fed from also whatever long term affects being a mush person from being thralled turns you into.
 
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uh white court thralls are just people who've basically been sucked on by white court thats eventually terminal.

Edit: Though your kinda right as thats probably just a natural by product of being fed on enough until there isn't anything left to be fed from also whatever long term affects being a mush person from being thralled turns you into.
No, there's no evidence its eventually terminal.
Margaret LeFay was fucking Papa Raith for at least five years, because thats how old Thomas was when she fled him.
Thomas and Justine have been a thing for at least fourteen years.

If a White Court vampire isnt intentionally fucking you up, there is no evidence that you will suffer permanent damage.
That doesnt mean they cant eat you and you die, mind.
But feeding on someone to dull their edge is a deliberate choice.

Similarly, Reds can explicitly keep thralls for years, possibly decades.
According to the RPG, that was one of the consequences of Dresden nuking them at Chitchen Itza; a lot of thralls addicted to the Red Kiss in withdrawal, making things very unstable.

No information about Blacks at hand, except that they make thralls easiest.
 
No, there's no evidence its eventually terminal.
Margaret LeFay was fucking Papa Raith for at least five years, because thats how old Thomas was when she fled him.
Thomas and Justine have been a thing for at least fourteen years.

If a White Court vampire isnt intentionally fucking you up, there is no evidence that you will suffer permanent damage.
That doesnt mean they cant eat you and you die, mind.
But feeding on someone to dull their edge is a deliberate choice.

Similarly, Reds can explicitly keep thralls for years, possibly decades.
According to the RPG, that was one of the consequences of Dresden nuking them at Chitchen Itza; a lot of thralls addicted to the Red Kiss in withdrawal, making things very unstable.

No information about Blacks at hand, except that they make thralls easiest.
In fairness white court does regularly kill some their with and well I should note that thomas doesn't regularly feed that much off justine or at least he eventually didn't what with their touch being poison to him so he laid with others and was for a while pretty close to a vegan as far as white court vamps went getting small feedings off of haircuts and such. its somewhat noted plenty of their thralls do die though that might just be from overfeeding. Like they are literally eating their life force that can't be healthy long term when done in any large amount.

Thomas has had a hating himself thing going on for years sometimes he slips up often he holds himself back though.
 
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Word of Jim dump
Word of Jim dump, because I can:
Greetings Jim!
1) How's Life?
2) Is there anything you 'd be willing to tell us about your long-term plans for Cinder Spires (number of books, plot teases, etc)?
3) What is a Saint in the Dresden Files? You've mentioned them as a mortal champion distinct from the Knights of the Cross, so I was curious what they were like, and if they specific to the Heavenly crowd or a more common and/or non-denominational form of power?
4) Did Vadderung sacrifice anything to be able to spend so much time on Earth, or is he just at a higher risk than most prefer? Or something else entirely?
5) Is Ancient Mai so called because she is the eldest in the Council's gerontocracy? (Chronologically if not on the objective scale).
6) Can you clarify how many times Bob has been split? It seems like it happened both before Harry got him and also during/after Dead Beat from Harry's orders, does that mean there were three Bob's at one point?
7) Can the True Name be considered a full part of the Self equation in the way the Body, Spirit, and Soul are? Ive been nursing a theory about the Dresden File Self being a multipart and evolving thing based on (a westerners understanding of) the Egyptian myths.
Thanks Again!
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[–]jimbutcherauthorAMA Author[S] 668 points 4 years ago
1) Confusing!

2) I've got an outline for three, six, or nine books depending on how folks are liking it. :)

3) Saints, for practical purposes in the Dresden Files, distinct from straightforward religious figures, were mainly people with a wizard's or sorcerer's talents who went into the Church and who blended faith magic with their natural abilities to accomplish some amazing things. Most of the Catholic saints were members of the White Council as well. As the power of the Church waned, the word Saint kind of gradually turned to saint, and in the current storyline saints are simply people who blend faith with their magic.
It is Frowned Upon to be a practicing saint in the White Council, in some senses. They much prefer minds uncluttered by what they see as unnecessary folderol, and think that the worst thing they could imagine is a blend of a wizard's power with a fanatic's zeal, so if you're a saint it's not hard to make other wizards uneasy. Most saints keep their practice under discrete wraps, though there is at least one practicing saint on the Senior Council.

4) Over several different points of the Dresden Files universe, the old gods' power was curtailed, limits set upon it, so that they wouldn't be able to do as much interfering with the development of humans. That was fine with most of them--they were kind of self absorbed jerks anyway, a lot of them. But a few wanted to keep walking beside and guiding humanity.
I don't want to ruin the story for you, and it will be out further down the line. :)

5) Ancient Mai carries the title for oldest wizard on the Council, but does not see herself as a leadership figure, and regarded Langtry's talents as more suitable than her own for the role of Merlin.

6) Bob was never meant to be a contiguous personality with his own self motivation. He was supposed to be a sidekick and servant, and then this stupid kid went and gave him a NAME. With the name came individuality, and it was all downhill from there.
It's less a question of how many splits Bob has in his personality, and more about how much of his memory/power his dominant personality can encompass at one time. Two truly powerful wizards have held Bob--Kemmler and Dresden. Both of them left the mark of their force of will upon the construct in a particularly powerful way and in fairly recent times. When Butters picked up Bob, he too left his mark on the skull, though as somebody who really isn't all that much different from Harry, the skull just sort of rolled into the most convenient shape to make a personality for Butters--the one he already had for Harry.

7) The True Name is kind of the portrait on the passport that has the rest of the information under mind, body and spirit. It's what lets your power "recognize" your target when you send it out. The name itself isn't a part of you: it's a description of you.
Hello thank you for your time, it is much appreciated and I hope you are doing well.
  1. What is Mister's cat name for Harry in Cinders Spire style?
  2. What was Archangel the location and its importance to the White Council, and what was the Brute Squad that Bob mentioned role compared to the wardens?
  3. What kind of magic did Aleron LaFortier specialize in? In Dead Beat Harry said that Ebenezer was the least powerful of the Senior Council was this Harry being an unreliable narrator or was LaFortier stronger then he looked?
  4. What did Harry mean in Dead Beat when he said Cowl's magic was different from what he worked with? They both used kinetic magic and had a lingering sense of black magic was it the way Cowl used his magic or something else?
  5. What are the other three Vampire Courts who are like mosquitos in influence compared to the others major Courts called and will we see them in the series?
  6. What would Harry's Denarian form look like if he took up Lasciel's coin? If he took up other coins like Ursiel and Magog would he become more bestial or would he adapt other characteristics?



[–]jimbutcherauthorAMA Author[S] 525 points 4 years ago
1) Sleeps Loudly

2) That was where Petrovich the Earth Mage lived. He and his people were hell on wheels in a fight. Earth magic is slow and tricky to use, but if you get good at it, it's very difficult to counter.

3) Illusion. Ebenezar can pull a satellite down from orbit onto your head. Someone like LaFortier can bamboozle nations. The way that the old school wizards think, direct power is the least useful power. All you can do with it is break something or kill someone.

4) Black magic is different. It's kind of the ultimate perversion of magic's original intent--creation. It takes things away from you when you use it, increasingly so as you use it more. To be able to use black magic at all is to have a soul that truly believes it /belongs/ here and /should/ be used. It's super powerful and super destructive. Things go wrong just because there's black magic about, much less when it gets used to actually break something.

5) You won't see Courts because they don't have them. There are other vampires around, but they aren't as large and organized as the Courts have been, and can't operate with the same kind of coordination.
The exception to that is the Jade Court, who rarely act outside of the Yangtze river valley. Everyone knows that they exist. No one is quite sure where. They do not respond to invitations or offer any of their own. They never deal directly with outsiders, but move through allies and agents. They are not signatories of the Accords, but everyone speaks of and treats them as if they are, because some fairly horrible things have happened to people, over the centuries, who showed too much disrespect.
The mosquito type vamps though operate mainly in SE Asia, mostly in SK, Thailand, that region. They're thugs, a branch of the Tongs, running drugs and human slaves through the local seas and sometimes hiring out as assassins.

6) If he took up Lasciel's coin, he'd immediately have a style and fashion adviser who would make him look like Someone Important everywhere he went. He'd have better posture, would look neat and clean all the time, like he knew exactly what he was doing, and would have supernatural sex appeal he could summon up on demand. Lasciel would have turned him into Bond.
Hi Jim! Thanks for taking the time to do this AMA and for the AMAZING books you've written so far. The Dresden Files is easily my favourite book series. When I found out you do AMAs every now again I started compiling some questions as I was going through the books. Could you shed light on some of these things please?
  1. Throughout your books you mention that the right side/hand releases energy and the left hand/side absorbs it. Does this have anything to do with your dominant hand/side? Is this the opposite for lefties?
  2. Is the Nevernever mapped to Earth/Our solar system/the whole universe? Or the other way around? Is it possible to not open a Way from one dimension to the other? Or is there for every location one on the other side - always guaranteed? Is the mapping a function?
  3. You mentioned that parts of the Nevernever connect to parts of the real world based on similar ambiances and energies. Is it possible to have an ambiance or energy that does not have an equivalent in the other dimension?
  4. Is Harry named after the city of Dresden because he usually ends up setting things on fire?
  5. Reading Cold Days, it seemed like you really changed the way you approach the audience. A lot more breaking the fourth wall and more swearing. Is this something new you were trying or any particular reason for this change?
  6. Is Nicodemus the same guy as St. Nicodemus from the Bible who helped wrap Jesus in the shroud of Turin?
Thank you!


[–]jimbutcherauthorAMA Author[S] 294 points 4 years ago
1) It's less about dominant hand than which one is closer to your heart, so nah, it's the same for righties and lefties. Dominant hands for spells aren't usually an issue by the time you know what you're doing, but among the apprentices righties have an advantage at offense, lefties at defense.

2) The Nevernever is, like, noneuclidean space in a lot of ways. It morphs and changes, without a fixed amount of acreage. Based on how much power you apply to it, you can change the Nevernever, make a given area larger or smaller.

3) No. The Nevernever is made out of a substance that is basically like the goo from Ghostbusters 2: it reacts to human emotions. When a given vibe goes out, the goo responds.

4) No. He is named after the city of Dresden because the night I was thinking of character names, John Sheridan on B5 was giving this speech about military atrocities and their psychological impact. Dresden was one of the cities he mentions in the speech, and it went well with "Harry."

5) Heh. Cold Days was Dresden operating on a whole new engine, more or less. There were more changes than that. :)

6) Inappropriate for this venue. :)
  1. What made you decide to read "Even Hand" for the Brief Cases audiobook?
  2. Does reincarnation exist in the Dresden Files universe? And do we know any characters that have already had former lives?
  3. Will we ever meet the other heavenly archangels: Michael, Gabriel, or Raphael?
  4. Did Hendricks finish his thesis?
  5. How old is Marcone?
  6. How did Hendricks and Marcone meet? How long have they known each other before Storm Front?
  7. Is Marcone genuinely fond of Helen Beckitt, or is their "romantic" relationship for him more about keeping a potential threat close or just a weird guilt trip?
  8. Multiple times in Small Favor, characters are able to contact the otherwise unreachable Denarians through "Accords-approved methods." What do these methods entail?
Thanks!




[–]jimbutcherauthorAMA Author[S] 217 points 4 years ago
1) Someone had to do it. They saved money using me. :)

2) Sort of. And not really. For reincarnation to be viable, you can't rig the game by knowing who you were the last time around. :)

3) <spoiler>I'm not going to tell you</spoiler>

4) He keeps writing it and rewriting it. It's over 1200 pages now.

5) If I recall, he was 40 in Storm Front.

6) In the service. They were Marines together. Marcone was Hendrick's sergeant when Hendricks was a Louie.

7) Marcone... does not think like most human beings. For him, there's no reason all of those things can't be true at the same time. But he's not going to be giving anyone True Love shields from the Whites any time soon either.

8) Mostly established messaging and answering services, mostly through human attorneys. You are also allowed to use heralds (and send heralds back headless if you get annoyed, like Ancient Mai's herald was frozen half to death by Mab in Summer Knight, by way of telling the Council "no, you can't use my roads.") And there are some various supernaturals who specialize as go-betweens and intermediaries.
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OH THOSE GUYS.

Yeah, I know who they all are. I don't have a further story role set for them at the moment, they're just part of Mab's backstory. That's kind of her trophy case of personal victories.

If I remember right they're Vlad Tsepes and his lover (who wanted to be together forever), Richlieu (Mab always collects eventually, no matter how tricky you are), that's not Arachne it's friggin' Anansi (Mab, too, knows hubris), and the triumverate of women was actually two women with Mab pulling a Scooby Doo move and hiding among them. Trying to remember, they were a pair of historical French or German or British twin sisters who were burned as witches by a Saint. Mab saved them, sort of. Instead of being burned to cinders, they were transformed to living crystal and used to decorate her bower. Mostly, Mab defeated the Saint, sort of at the end of the middle ages/opening of the Renaissance, when there hadn't been all that many Old Word wins lately.

They aren't really a part of Harry's story, just background details for Mab. Anansi is too much a trickster to be caught forever. He'll get free at some point and have a merry vengeance on Mab's pride and ego. She's just so serious, all the time, a guy like Anansi couldn't do anything BUT give her the grumpy camp counselor treatment once he was free. :)
1: How fast could Lash teach magic? The bit about being able to teach Harry how to heal his hand in Dead Beat implied that it was several dozen times faster than normal (because there's no way he'd be able to pick up healing before his hand healed normally on his own).
2: How exactly would the version of Changes where Harry does the Darkhallow have gone afterwards? It seems like the kind of thing that would burn his bridges with absolutely everybody.
3: You've previously mentioned that Morgan might appear in book 17 (Mirror Mirror), is that still on track?
4: Can you tell us more about the details of how Ways work and how two people working in the same spot can end up in different places?
5: Will the Shapeshifting Guru from the Ukraine mentioned in the list of freeholding lords in White Night play a role in the series or will it be like the Jade Court and not appear in the series?
6: Why did the half-turned Red Court and Cassius experience sped-up aging the moment they lost the thing stopping their aging? Shouldn't they have just gone back to aging at normal rate if the Red Court half of them was just pressing the proverbial pause button?
7: Did He Who Walks Behind slow down time around the clerk who tried to run in Ghost Story? If no, how was he slowed down?
EDIT: Why could Harry understand Sharkface's name while He Who Walks Behind's name was just an impression that HWWB gave him?
1) Teach it? VERY quickly. She could alter your perception of time and give you months of pure mental lessons in an evening. If she just did it for you while you sit in the passenger seat? She can do that instantly.

2) Well, with the White Council for sure, and with a lot of human authorities. But if he'd become a friggin' necromancer, he would have found his allies among the dead and dead-adjacent, and things would have generally been a lot gothier. :)

3) Maybe.

4) I can.

5) Can't think of a reason to have him around for Harry's story. Might be a different case in a spinoff.

6) Because it wasn't pressing pause. It was just sustaining them for the duration of the transformation. Once the transformation dropped them back into their mortal form again, it was time to pay the piper. They paid for their life with life, the way all vampires do. They just chose not to take someone else's. But younger half-vamps, like Susan, would have been okay, just older and a lot more tired.

7) HHWB, being a Walker, is an outsider on a power level similar to Uriel. He can do all KINDS of stuff. But also has a lot of weird limits as to when and where he can use his power.
Hi Jim, I have a question about Mortimer Lindquist.

In Ghost Story we learn that Morty is a significantly more powerful ectomancer than Dresden thought. My question is this: Is Ectomancy just another field of magical study that a wizard could have a talent for like Harry with Thaumaturgy, Chandler with Time magic, and Molly with Illusion magic or is Ectomancy a separate field from normal magical study? Could Morty become a full Wizard or are his talents too different?

EDIT: Hey everyone I don't know if you already are subscribed to /r/DresdenFiles but if not it is a great place to discuss the books, short stories, graphic novels, and interviews with Jim.
Oh, any wizard could learn ectomancy, it's just a matter of spending the time and energy to do it.

Morty's issue isn't that his Ectomancy isn't strong: it's that he doesn't have that kind of strength elsewhere. You wanna be a Wizard of the White Council, you've kinda gotta be able to do it all. That's what separates a wizard like Harry from a sorcerer like Morty. Harry might NEVER be as strong an ectomancer as Morty is. But Harry can also do thaumaturgy and evocation and abjuration AND divination AND illusions AND etc etc. Morty only tunes in to the one channel. Wizards got the entire America's Favorite Package.
Hi Jim! My question is about the Dresden Files:

Can a wizard soulgaze a baby? A child? What would it do to that child?

Thanks for all of the books you've written. I've enjoyed them very much.
Kids have got a certain amount of magical protection. Think of them like a baby dear: a fawn gets born with a suite of counter-predator capabilities that help it survive. Same for kids. They tend to be really resilient to the effects of magic. A child could soulgaze a wizard and find it distressing and confusing, but wouldn't wind up with the inkstain on their memory like the wizard would.
Thanks for having this AmA!

Is Nicodemus the first host for Anduriel?

What is Nicodemus' occupation before he chose to change career to murdering murderer?

Thanks!
1) Yes, the one and only.

2) He was a tax collector. Which was only technically not as bad as being a murderer at that time in history. :)

Source: 2018 AMA
 
1)I assume neither of her allies would let her enter until after the grenades explode.

2)Deliberately rode it down to make sure that Pistol Gunman took at least two hundred pounds of weight on him, counting the sofa and Molly's weight combined, and hoping it deals enough bashing damage to put him out. Just bouncing off it means he only has to deal with the sofa weight, which might not be enough to do more than knock him over

3)Left the wannabe biker alone because Gard was right behind us.
All the contextual cues suggest dude is either new or even more incompetent than the norm, and having him fumble a shotgun because we tripped him could be unintentionally dangerous.
1) Yeah, I'm saying it might be a good idea to step to the side until they do to make sure the goons don't get any shots off before getting stunned. Stillness is death in a fight.

2) In my view, better to give him a lighter tap to stun him now and make sure AK dude is down before coming back to make sure he stays down, than to risk a guy with a machine gun recovering faster than expected. And, like I said, it makes the scene flow better. Speed is life.

3) Fair. It just feels wrong to get within attack range of an enemy and do nothing, even in passing.
 
1) Yeah, I'm saying it might be a good idea to step to the side until they do to make sure the goons don't get any shots off before getting stunned. Stillness is death in a fight.

2) In my view, better to give him a lighter tap to stun him now and make sure AK dude is down before coming back to make sure he stays down, than to risk a guy with a machine gun recovering faster than expected. And, like I said, it makes the scene flow better. Speed is life.

3) Fair. It just feels wrong to get within attack range of an enemy and do nothing, even in passing.
1)Narrative.
This has already happenef.

2)We dont get infinite moves in a combat turn.
And we dont know where he ends up in the order of actions; he might act before Gard or Michael.
A lighter tap might leave him in condition to fight when his turn comes around, assuming he rolls better Initiative than our allies.
 
There's also Daedalus sniffing around the area.
Michael has the white god, Gard has dirty money, so I guess Molly has to work her own trick out.

I'm feeling arson. You can't "one neat trick" your way out of an investigation, but soaking everything in gasoline and lighting it as you leave still makes for a huge pain in the ass on the investigative end. :V

Or we could try being responsible and not burning down half the town.
1)Maeve's personal assassin, the Tigress, was a ghoul; the Alphas killed her in Summer Knight.
There's a big ghoul clan, the LaChaises, that are signatories to the Unseelie Accords. Tessa managed to find and hire a set of gun wielding, martial arts employing ghouls in Skin Game.

There doesnt seem to be a supernatural societywide prejudice against ghouls generally, any more than there is a prejudice against most anthropophagic supernaturals. Dresden has a prejudice, but thats a Dresden prejudice.
Just like Ebenezar has a prejudice against White Court vampires.

2)That said, @BronzeTongue is right. We have no particular reason to seek out ghouls as a race at the moment. We treat them as individuals and discrete groups as they come up. If it happens in the future that plot events bring us into having to deal with a group of them peacefully as a corporate entity, thats a different matter.

3)That said, the RPG is very clear that ghouls have it pretty bad.
They are probably scions from human interbreeding with uberghouls, and outside the clans, maybe one in ten make it to adulthood.
Very high mortality rates in a species that has inhuman strength, inhuman speed and supernatural recovery speeds.

Principal causes of death are predation by other supernaturals, homicide by animals who really hate them, falling sick and dying(unknown if particular disease or just general sickness), getting runover by cars.
And suicide.



The Erl King, King of Summer, is known for leading the Wild Hunt and murdering anyone they catch.And his goblins will happily torture any unfortunate who stumbles into their territory to a very painful death. Trolls still lurk under bridges and eat any unfortunates, including children. All seven known varieties of vampires predate on humans.

Dresden Files is a death world, and a lot of supernatural species prey on humans in one way or the other.

Its not a power thing; naagloshii, vampires and ghouls all prey on humans or human bodies, and occupy varying tier levels.
As long as you're willing and capable of observing the niceties of formal discourse, people will politely ignore everything else.
Or at least pretend to.

Also worth remembering:
A ghoul who haunts morgues, graveyards and butcher yards >>> a ghoul who kills people for meat. Certainly hurts fewer people than a whole lot of vampires.

That said, if we were recruiting ghouls for some reason, fixing the anthropophagy would be a priority.
Just like it would be a priority if we were recruiting vampires.



1)I assume neither of her allies would let her enter until after the grenades explode.

2)Deliberately rode it down to make sure that Pistol Gunman took at least two hundred pounds of weight on him, counting the sofa and Molly's weight combined, and hoping it deals enough bashing damage to put him out. Just bouncing off it means he only has to deal with the sofa weight, which might not be enough to do more than knock him over

3)Left the wannabe biker alone because Gard was right behind us.
All the contextual cues suggest dude is either new or even more incompetent than the norm, and having him fumble a shotgun because we tripped him could be unintentionally dangerous.



I see where you are coming from.

Thing is, I assumed they were close together because this is a tattoo parlor. Commercial store in a commercial property.
Frontage in a commercial property is limited and expensive, which even in Englewood comes to a fair amount monthly, which puts hard limits on how wide the entire store would be, and thus how wide the front of the store can be.



Textev mostly.
The Korean warlock in Proven Guilty fucked over his victims badly.
Molly fucked up Rosie and Nathan even when she wanted to help.

Conversely, Turn Coat showed a White Court victim who had an otherwise normal, high functioning life. Denarians who give up the coin go about their lives with no lasting mental issues. Lea had been offering/threatening to enthrall Harry since at least Book 3, and the one time she turns them into animals, they revert unharmed.

And of course, there's Mab taking away Dresden's memory of fire magic for most of Small Favor and Harry still functioning at approximately his customary high levels.

This is inaccurate.
Only Renfields die, and thats because they are made that way. Madelaine Raith enthralled a lawyer and the woman was wholly fine, and while Dresden didnt think he could undo it, he didnt expect it to get worse. Just put her to sleep and hoped she'd forget his visit.

Well, Renfields and some Nemesis victims. Cat Sith didnt get better from Nemesis hollowing him out.

Turn Coat. Evelyn Derek, attorney at law of Smith, Cohen and Mackleroy.
Got enthralled by Madelaine Raith, White Court vampire to hire a PI to follow Dresden around. Dresden couldnt undo it, but other than the particular matter she was ordered not to talk about, she was fine.

The evidence we have, scanty as it is, suggests that if they arent actively trying to break your brain, nonhuman magics dont deal permanent damage. Which makes a Watsonian sense if you consider they predate on humans, and unintentionally destroying victims they arent feeding on is wasteful.
Wasn't she only around for one scene? I don't recall if we actually learned why happened to her long term.
 
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