Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I doubt it wonder if we could replicate true sight its so useful especially with our own bullshit mind stuff. The villainous sorceror of the first book made a drug that let mortals use it so not sure why we couldn't. True sights pretty bullshit if you could handle always having it on and dealing with the consequences of seeing gods and exploding energies in large amounts.

Edit: Also admittedly a better sensory power than even most exalted powers if it didn't have the insanity drawback for too much uses or dangerous uses.
In theory victor sells three eye potion in itself did not violate any of the laws of magic, unless you go for an extremely broad reading of the third. So, there should also be nothing stopping Dresden from replicating it if necessary, especially since he already saw the stuff and possible ingredients. With Bob he could have likely figure it out fast.

Now he would be very reluctant to do this, given how much he knows such stuff goes wrong, but if we really need to have the sight for a bit, and can explain why it is necessary, we might be able to get him to make some for us.
 
Couple answers I have to get to later.

Lets not do this.

IC Molly might not know everything her power can do without exploring it, but she would know what her power cannot do.
Thats how you avoid attempting to walk off a skyscraper roof with a balance charm, or blowing Essence trying to do stuff that the charm does not apply to.

OOC lets not spend updates running up mechanical dead ends on her power's capabilities.
Just make a call on what works for your story or not.

One of the major themes of this quest is 'here is this power from a time before time do as ye will'. Applying that is a modern context cannot always be smooth sailing especially when it comes to things that are off the key charms, which for Molly is Lanka and Kakuri not the Wicked City. I don't think potentially spending a few days experimenting with your charms to figure out what you can and cannot do is unresonable
 
One of the major themes of this quest is 'here is this power from a time before time do as ye will'. Applying that is a modern context cannot always be smooth sailing especially when it comes to things that are off the key charms, which for Molly is Lanka and Kakuri not the Wicked City. I don't think potentially spending a few days experimenting with your charms to figure out what you can and cannot do is unresonable
All charms are innate. You know exactly what you are getting. This is true in both Exalted and ExWoD.

The Exalted have a host of limits but not knowing what the charms do is not one of them.
 
If the laws of physics themselves have changed since an Exaltation last roamed the Earth, not to mention the drastically reduced amounts of magic/Essence in modern times, I don't have an issue with Molly not innately knowing the exact limits of what some of her more esoteric uses of her Charms can accomplish.

Things have changed, so Molly and Usum might need to learn how those changes affect her powers in turn.
 
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All charms are innate. You know exactly what you are getting. This is true in both Exalted and ExWoD.

The Exalted have a host of limits but not knowing what the charms do is not one of them.

You do indeed know what you get with the tool charm, tools and you know how to operate them, but that does not mean you know what theoretical applications into things you have not tried will do.

That said you do have a sense of how these things work out generally: 'as modern technology only 5 times faster'. Look at modern tech, multiply by five and that is your speed/output. If you want more details into something try it.
 
[X]Yes, if one of Matthews old 'friends' caught up with him then you would very much want to catch up with them
-[X]Play the car enthusiast and pretend to gawk. Take vehicle picture(s) with cellphone or camera.
-[X]Have Clippy look up license plate and Chicago-area social media pictures and car enthusiast forums
-[X]Attempt to sense any magic around it(Perception check, -2 DC from Usum). Spend 1 WP for autosux.
-[X]Hollow Mind Possession on car(if its a car, and not some glamored bullshit). Spend 1 WP for autosux.
-[X]Have new demon send Clippy any relevant data, including vehicle registration and insurance info from documents in glove box, any relevant electronic data, and especially travel itinerary recorded by the GPS since it was bought, with focus on the last month.
-[X]Continue posing as car enthusiast and knock on door
 
Vote closed, let's see how this goes.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 30, 2022 at 12:45 PM, finished with 41 posts and 18 votes.

  • [x] Yes, if one of Matthews old 'friends' caught up with him then you would very much want to catch up with them
    -[X]Play the car enthusiast and pretend to gawk. Take vehicle picture(s) with cellphone or camera.
    -[X]Have Clippy look up license plate and Chicago-area social media pictures and car enthusiast forums
    -[X]Attempt to sense any magic around it(Perception check, -2 DC from Usum). Spend 1 WP for autosux.
    -[X]Hollow Mind Possession on car(if its a car, and not some glamored bullshit). Spend 1 WP for autosux.
    -[X]Have new demon send Clippy any relevant data, including vehicle registration and insurance info from documents in glove box, any relevant electronic data, and especially travel itinerary recorded by the GPS since it was bought, with focus on the last month.
    -[X]Continue posing as car enthusiast and knock on door
    [x] Yes, if one of Matthews old 'friends' caught up with him then you would very much want to catch up with them
    -[X] Take a moment to listen at the door for anyone talking inside, you never know what you might hear.
    -[X] Fukit, demons for everyone. Stick a demon in the car's electronics if it has any. And if it's been customized to not have any, well, that tells you something interesting as well.
    [x] Yes, if one of Matthews old 'friends' caught up with him then you would very much want to catch up with them
    [x] Car Enthusiast
 
You do indeed know what you get with the tool charm, tools and you know how to operate them, but that does not mean you know what theoretical applications into things you have not tried will do.

That said you do have a sense of how these things work out generally: 'as modern technology only 5 times faster'. Look at modern tech, multiply by five and that is your speed/output. If you want more details into something try it.
What Yzarc said.

The argument is that if you have an Exalt in combat, you want them to know if something is possible prior to attempting it. If you're performing surgery with Tool Constructs, you want to know if your magic tools and charms are adequate and how long they'll last. If flying with Rage Recast, that you wont suddenly run out of juice and fall out of the sky.

Disputes are supposed to be adjudicated OOC.

Its an game conceit for mechanical transparency, so you dont have players unknowingly wasting limited time and resources and Essence.
And a concession to the very real fact that noone would have the time IC to explore all the potential edge cases and interactions of any given charm or group of charms, let alone all of them, if they didnt already know it in their bones.

That would be even more important in this system, because while in Ex2E you get to recover Essence passively on a hourly basis, or actively via stunting, here Essence recovery happens either at the beginning of the day, or you have to block out a significant portion of your day to regenerate(1x Essence every 15 minutes means 3 hours to refill Molly's pool from 0)

Thats my contribution. The rest is for you to decide.

PS
Tool Constructs says nothing about modern technology. I quote:
Tool-Transcending Constructs (•)

The Infernal shapes whatever tools she finds her-
self in need of from the invisible wellspring of her own
Essence, then allows them to dissipate back into noth-
ingness when their presence no longer serves her.

System: The Infernal can work five times faster than
normal when creating, modifying, or repairing some-
thing, or ten times faster than normal if it's something
complicated and mechanical like a car or computer.
Generally this Charm enhances Crafts or Technology
actions, but might also apply to coding a program with
Computer, creating explosives with Science, or prepar-
ing a meal. By spending 1 Essence or 1 Willpower, she
can manifest whatever tools she needs for as long as she
works uninterrupted on her project, as well.

Signature Effect: The Infernal may reflexively
spend 1 Essence to edit her Shintai form after sum-
moning it, banishing one Aspect and summoning
forth a new one to replace it. The Shintai reverts to its
normal array of Aspects when next summoned.
 
I am looking forward to stealing the heck out of this car.

Insuring it will be a pain though. As will plates and everything else.

Use it for parts? Hm...
 
Tool Constructs says nothing about modern technology. I quote:
Modern can be implied from "five times faster than normal". Normal meaning without the use of the charm (more strongly, without the use of any charms but an excellency, I would posit). Meaning using what tools are available outside the use of the charm. Thus, no replicators. Though there is a good question of "if we build a magitech one-of-a-kind replicator, using excellency, charms, etc, would we then be able to replicate it using TTC?".
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 30, 2022 at 12:45 PM, finished with 41 posts and 18 votes.

  • [x] Yes, if one of Matthews old 'friends' caught up with him then you would very much want to catch up with them
    -[X]Play the car enthusiast and pretend to gawk. Take vehicle picture(s) with cellphone or camera.
    -[X]Have Clippy look up license plate and Chicago-area social media pictures and car enthusiast forums
    -[X]Attempt to sense any magic around it(Perception check, -2 DC from Usum). Spend 1 WP for autosux.
    -[X]Hollow Mind Possession on car(if its a car, and not some glamored bullshit). Spend 1 WP for autosux.
    -[X]Have new demon send Clippy any relevant data, including vehicle registration and insurance info from documents in glove box, any relevant electronic data, and especially travel itinerary recorded by the GPS since it was bought, with focus on the last month.
    -[X]Continue posing as car enthusiast and knock on door
    [x] Yes, if one of Matthews old 'friends' caught up with him then you would very much want to catch up with them
    -[X] Take a moment to listen at the door for anyone talking inside, you never know what you might hear.
    -[X] Fukit, demons for everyone. Stick a demon in the car's electronics if it has any. And if it's been customized to not have any, well, that tells you something interesting as well.
    [x] Yes, if one of Matthews old 'friends' caught up with him then you would very much want to catch up with them
    [x] Car Enthusiast
 
Arc 2 Post 22: The Black and the Red
The Black and the Red

22st of July 2006 A.D.

After parking about thirty feet from the land spaceship masquerading as a car you take out Clippy and start snapping pictures like any dyed in the wool car enthusiast would. But behind the humming phone Clippy is at work in spite of having to make use of she dismissively calls 'howling wilderness' cell reception. The car had shown up on Roaring Rides, a small enthusiast forum with the pic dated to the twentieth in downtown Chicago with a a couple more being linked in Myspace pages also around the city, nothing around Fulton Market where the crime had taken place, but that is hardly...

"License Plate Match," flashes across the screen in bright blue text, cutting off your view of the last image. "Katrina Hoff."

Katrina, you do not need to see the next message on screen to suddenly freeze mid picture, but you appreciate is nonetheless. Priority, Priority, partial match, relevant to present search: Katrina Sigfriddotir.

Alas Katrina Hoff does not have a MySpace page or really anything but the license numbers in Massachusetts and, crosschecking property records, some kind of high value property on the outskirts of Boston so it's probably the same woman, but it is going to take a longer search to find out for sure.

You try to get a feel for the car itself, see if it is warded or enchanted. It could even be something else glamored as one, but no matter how much you squint and struggle all you can see if the sun on fresh black paint and all you can smell is the faint scent of plain old gas.

Lost 1 Willpower

Good enough, if it's a magic horse that eats gas I'm going to be really embarrassed, you think, pushing aside Usum's reflexive proclamations that you would never have anything to be embarrassed about.

This time no verses come to mind, only raw notes and the memory of a car chase in a movie about living programs pretending to be gods, pretending to be men. Like with the Beige Wagon you get a connection, but not an everlasting one, a nameless ghost of electromagnetism and spite poured into some of the best and brightest artifice on four wheels. Black Rider, you dub them for another ethereal pursuer that went garbed in the guise of mundane mater on secret roads.

Lost 1 Essence and 1 Willpower
Spirit Bound for 1 Year


Connection Achieved. Downloading...

A boom echoes from the direction of the Matthews house the door smashing open to reveal a woman with hair red as fresh spilled blood flowing over shoulders draped in a studied leather jacket whose studs gleam as so many miniature runes. Her eyes are grey too gleam grey like the sky before the storm in a face that could be any age between a mature twenty and a very well preserved forty, though to look upon her is to know with a dread certainty that she is much older. You have met one akin to her before... Gard. Whatever she is this woman is as well and you have no doubts.

"Interested in the car are you?" She is smiling, though it does not reach her eyes. "I don't mind if you look, just as long as you don't touch. You didn't touch it did you?"

"What had she sensed?" you wonder, thoughts whirling in your mind. For that matter what do I look like to her. Gard at least had been able to sense that I'm outside of fate, but that does that mean? At the very least you don't think she is about to challenge you to a duel here and now you can hear the sound of kids playing not far away and cars passing by the bridge, in the distance the church bells calling the townsfolk to worship.

What do you reply?

[] Try to bluff that you had just been passing through and are interested in cars and... the interesting people who drive them (Manipulation+Subterfuge)

[] Offer to take this someplace more private, maybe she thinks she can take you in a fight, you would wager she is probably wrong (Manipulation+Empathy)

[] Write in


OOC: Well on the plus side you got one of your demons in a super-car, though the driver appears to have noticed. Whether she's noticed that you messed with the car or just your general Exalted-ness approaching Molly cannot tell.
 
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[X] Offer to take this someplace more private, maybe she thinks she can take you in a fight, you would wager she is probably wrong (Manipulation+Empathy)

It's high time molly does sth a exalted would do!
 
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