Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
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- Australia
[X] Try to stop Harry from forcing the issue
-[X] Point out that it's premature to have this discussion until wizards capable of essence use can be trained. It's not a given that everyone will be capable of it
-[X] Point out that it's premature to have this discussion until wizards capable of essence use can be trained. It's not a given that everyone will be capable of it
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I fail to see how Luccio's reduced crafting competency has anything to do with her competence at leading the Wardens.
And Luccio is not the most skilled wizard crafter in an assembly that includes Ancient Mai and Klaus The Toymaker.
Anyway, Luccio retains the support of the Senior Council, her deputy Donald Morgan and the vast majority of surviving Wardens. She did in canon after being mindshackled by Peabody as well. As long as that remains true, I dont expect any political moves to unseat her against her will are going to come to anything.
Especially not in the middle of an ongoing war.
Besides, if there was a vacancy, Donald Morgan would be the next in line to be Warden-Commander, not some random operator or Cristos associate. The guy who is already Deputy Warden-Commander, who killed a Lord of Outer Night, a Duke and two Counts in the last year, and has the support of the Merlin.
And not to mention that if he attempts to force the issue, he would be opening the same can of worms with regards to Senior Council member Aleron LaFortier, who also got fucked over by Peabody, but unlike Luccio does not have the excuse of being in recovery from having her body stolen.
Aleron LaFortier and almost fifty wizards arent dead in the aftermath of the Peabody thing, and all of the other traitors have been publicly outed and are either dead, awaiting sentencing or on the run.
Very different political environment.
A bunch of senior wizards are going to quietly kill this maneuver for reasons of their own.
Probably worth noting that you are probably lowballing wizard capabilities a little bit here.
They've been established as setting-breaking ever since Dead Beat and its ascension rituals. And since it was established that the Archive was wizard-work in this AU.
Quite aside from shit like Merlin creating Demonreach via time travel multitasking, you can also see where McCoy's passive wrath would make the earth and the lake surface shake during his fight with Dresden in Peace Talks.
Or where Marcone was projecting War Charms during Battle Grounds.
I dont know if Im comfortable with them making Splendors.
But if they are allowed to make MTA Wonders, not really sure that Splendors are any conceptually greater.
Especially since, balance wise, there's a difference between making a copy of something, and making something all-new.
So far, all we've been told is that they can be taught to make a copy of an existing Splendor design.
With difficulty and at risk.
Not that they can suddenly start designing new shit.
As Molly understands things the situation is something like this:
- Luccio has been on shaky ground since the failed Darkhallow, because she is less powerful than she was and this is an organization where magical power and skill engenders respect
- This has struck another blow against that credibility by proving that she has been mind controlled
- Finally you handed Cristos an excuse to use that isn't 'she's weak and unfit, we need someone else' which would be rather gouche to say in full council
- It has to be a warden who learns this new magic as a matter of policy since we cannot leave it up to a volunteer. A Warden can be commanded, checked up on and generally better controlled to make sure they do not do something untoward with the knowledge.
- The most skilled Warden at enchanting is Lucio... who isn't her best
- Luckily Cristos has a friend who is both a skilled enchanter and already a warden who pledges to make something like the sowrds and make this new magic
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-Weaker =/= Weak.
And just as important is experience; the Council IS a gerontocracy, and very much subscribes to the age and treachery beating youth and enthusiasm argument.
Luccio has largely adopted a more support-oriented role since the body swap, while Morgan has taken field command duties.
And critically, leadership in a volunteer organization is very much about the consent of the led, and Luccio is popular among the Wardens. Even beloved. Nobody is going to change the leadership team.
-As for compromise? So was a Senior Council member.
Specifically, Aleron LaFortier, who is/was Cristos' patron, and who got mindfucked not just by Peabody, but by a Denarian as well. Cristos cant advance this argument without undermining his own position.
The excuse was paper-thin at best.
Wardenship is not a lifetime appointment, and members can and do leave with the skills that they acquired and honed during their service. DuMorne was a Warden, for example, and I think two of the outed traitors that McCoy ganked were as well.
Same with the guy who summoned the demon lord.
Klaus "the Toymaker" Schneider was a Senior Council candidate when they were picking a replacement for Simon Petrovich. Ancient Mai is Senior Council already.Both are better crafters than Luccio is, and with better feats; Mai's wardhounds for one, and Schneider allegedly taking down a fortress with a windup toy by Word of Butcher.
Luccio just happens to be the only wizard currently alive who makes Warden swords.
That doesnt correlate to general magic craftsmanship.
Its been two years since the Darkhallow, and this friend hasnt figured out how to start making new swords yet.
At a time when the Council actually needs them.
I dont think Cristos thought this through. Or he has a different goal, which is possible.
Sorry I took so long to answer, we are apparently having a paper coup in Romania today. Elections likely delayed, pro-Russian candidate being prosecuted at triple speed, the establishment has apparently decided it does not like the results and they have the Constitutional Court. We will not get the results until tomorrow, but it seems clear where things are going, you don't send a complaint to a criminal court against someone for breaking election law and then have the highest national security council in the land agree with it because you plan for him to become President in ten days. That guy is either on a plane to Moscow or he's about to be arrested.
So that's fun.
The leadership team has two dead and one warlock on probation in it presently, Morgan is the only one who covered himself in glory. That said you guys have not seen the counter to Cristos yet.
So that's fun.
The leadership team has two dead and one warlock on probation in it presently, Morgan is the only one who covered himself in glory. That said you guys have not seen the counter to Cristos yet.
According to what i have read its better the devil you know.
I don't know enough about the Romanian political situation to say whether I'm sorry to hear that or if that's a good thing but I can hope you end up with a independent democracy in Romania with good election authorities with actually free and fair elections.
On a hopefully lighter note how exactly would discovering or making new recipes for Alchemy work?
On that same hand could clones or could a clone also do that research/process?
It's a good thing in the sense that eating lead is better for you than cyanide. I would have preferred if he lost at the ballot box to the pro-democracy reformer, but we will survive the oligarchs, we've been doing it for 35 years after all.
You can study and so can your clones yeah.
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Well I won't give you any platitudes that fucking blows and I hope it gets better for you and your country within a reasonable time frame.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
And people say evil is a big happy family.Hope you and yours are OK with this happening right now. We're all under the same awning here in the Balkans brother.
*checks news*
My sincere sympathies. Interesting times are a lot more fun to read about than to live through.
Take time off if you need it.
Yeah.
Still, while both Morgan and Luccio are alive, my man Cristos is overreaching badly; I suspect most of the serving Wardens arent any happier about getting blindsided by what they might perceive as a carpetbagger trying to play politics in the middle of a war.
And doing so in front of Molly, who despite everything she's done is still an outsider, is not going to win him brownie points with the old conservatives who form much of the Council membership.
But we'll see, I guess.
- Location
- washington
My knowledge of romania amounts to a south park episode and like being able to name a couple of their old royalty. Is this my fault probably, is it my educations fault arguably, but in fairness education runs on time tables we can only learn so much about certain histories.
On thr other hand they should be quite furious with the senior council. OK, not furious, since we didn't disclose FSB and pigeons to the young generation, but extremely distressed
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
I think I will express my position. It is that now is not the time. If this mister politician continues this behavior, we will find a good moment and bury his reputation close to the core of the earth. But now is not the time to destroy him. Although honestly I have no idea what he is thinking at this moment, making a show out of this.
- Location
- Right Where I Am
He is someone that Luccio can trust to have her back.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
He's taking advantage of a crisis/opportunity to elevate the position of his fellows and himself by proxy. It's just greed I think, wouldn't be the first time people have done this sort of thing.
Vote closed.
Arc 15 Post 8: Of Leverage and Patience
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Of Leverage and Patience
25st of February 2007 A.D.
"Harry," you toss him warning look then mime 'I'll handle it'. How well wizards can read lips you can't say, but odds are good not many of them are looking your way, not when Cristos had so thoroughly thrown the cat among the pigeons. As wizard after wizard from nations far and wise rise to their feet to speak for or against the proposal a pattern starts to emerge. First someone from Africa or south Asia will speak up about how the Wardens ignored their problems in favor of grand strategy which lead to being blindsided by the traitors whose hand could now be seen in a variety of local problems.
"When the Great Reservoir at Musawwarat-es-Sufra was tainted arrived late and with little beyond an apprentice's understanding of the celestial implications or the earthly concerns of the region. It was we who had to keep them safe from more. What use are more hands when they know nothing but how to clench into a fist..."
"The bank-run in Lusaka did you think I lied or was a fool when I said it was incited by magic? It was only though great good fortune the rain came..."
"You see, monsoon was directed to do more than cause suffering, it was meant to flood the city and bring pestilence to gain the favor of unclean spirits. If the Wardens had done more than just 'deal' with the vampires they found maybe they could have found the culprit..."
Then they will get support from their neighbors in both seating and geography as well as sympathy from more senior wizards before some warden finally has enough and tries to tell their side of the story. Rightly or wrongly most of them come off as smug or dismissive only for Aleron LaFortier, to calm spirits, often by taking on a measure of the blame for himself the rest of the Senior Council. There's little doubt in your mind the grievances are real, but the way they're spaced out and presented makes you suspect they had been planned ahead of time. For many this probably looks like the best chance to push forward their agenda in the council, to get back some of the safety line then had against local threats before the war started. Your adventures in the jungle is quickly becomes clear, had not escaped scrutiny and now a significant part of the Council is under the impression that the Red Court had been dealt the heavier blow.
In a very real sense this is hardly about Warden Luccio at all, more about what she represents, an old respected wizard often in the Halls with a great many allies here, losing her body and much of her power, but still retaining her captaincy of the Wardens, now fit to keep her seat even longer as the ancient spirit infused a new body. No one quite comes out to say 'falling forward', certainly not Cristos, but it hangs in the air heavy with unspoken recriminations.
But a storm of words, just like one of wind and rain, must have its breaks and one of those you interject yourself into.
"Honored wizards before all else consider that there is at present one wizard who posesses the keenness of magic to even begin this journey and he has never taught another tha skill. The way Harry learned it one should not wish upon one's worst enemy."
The words are sobering as you had hoped, an oblique reminder of the fact that they are still in a war and against more than the Red Court. Carefully, subtely you ask about the state of the worlds on both sides of the veil, of the battles they fought and the foes they faced. It is fascinating in places, worrying in others, especially Martha Liberty's mention of fighting Nazis backed up by Mistfiends and enchanted iron, they certainly hadn't gotten the latter from faerie which is closest to the material world, but most importantly it allows people a chance to cool off and reconsider if now is really the best time to make a stand with the unity of the council so sore tested.
You look up at the Merlin, something tells you he knows what you're doing, he's been very economical with his words allowing question after question. Though lacking the telepathy of your other selves you're sure he got the message: 'This was a delay not a solution, you've got to give them something.'
So it is you witness the first warlocks approach the book, power sweeping all around like water in the crushing depths then as they lay quill to enchanted paper at once bound and set free.
Behind you Harry sighs. "Looks like we really did good."
"Did you doubt it?" you challenge?
"Easy to convince yourself you're doing good when there's something to fight in front of you. The real challenge is making something better."
"I'm gonna guess you didn't steal that one from Yoda, sounds too much like English," you joke, glad to see his expression lighten not just from the worries of the meeting, but older troubles that a young Harry Dresden likely never thought he'd overcome. These men and women will get ta fairer shake than he did under the Doom and better by far than most Lawbreakers.
And I didn't even make any wizard enemies today, you think to yourself then imagine telling Mom that when you get home. Thankfully you had learned not to say stuff like that when you were in second grade. It would be funny for thirty seconds and frustrating for the rest of the day
For the lest three days of the month Molly is going to be spending more time with family. What do you wish to do?
[] Help Dad with tools and ideas
[] Leech is trying to figure out the best way to champion anti-bullying in her school. She has reluctantly struck out 'punch them in the face'
[] Take Hank to the part, it's been a while since you spent time with your littlest brother
[] Write in
OOC: For anyone wondering the reason I did not keep track of Essence in this scene is because it would have been very hard to run yourselves out in this scene.
- Location
- Germany
Have you tried punching harder, faster and/or more precise?
Has you tried also punching teachers who don't act correctly when bullying happens in their class?
Have you tried punching the school board until useful suggestions come out?
It would be an interesting challenge even for an Exalt to change social structures by punching alone, but doable.
For a human, it is a huge work, but maybe she can find a way.
Good night guys.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Being seen as an outsider here probably helped a bit since Molly's argument could be seen from a more objective standpoint rather than someone taking a particular side.