Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Even with past life memories they would need one of a variety of things peaches of immortality, wine of Heaven, Celestial Cocaine or an N/A artifact that's not a hyperbole that is how Mortals unlocked Essence in the age of Legends or they would need access to the unfettered Wyld.

Well there are other methods outside of this these are pretty much it and all of them are no longer accessible past the age of Legends. The true unfettered wild is beyond the outer Gates the celestial cocaine peaches of immortality and the wine of Heaven either with Yu-Shan defunct or in the Silver City where God lives which the accessibility of any of those things is questionable and artifacts aren't a thing anymore.

Past Lives having Essence does not help with gaining essence. They only provide information a path and without access to Yu Shan or other Celestial or Chaotic resources there's no real way to make the jump.
Fairly sure sun wukong probably exists in some capacity in Dresden files and by virtue here. I mean I know they're not exactly the same peaches. Given I doubt it's anything like the myths especially with wod probably taking the jade emperor and just making it God probably applying to this quest. Merlin probably had essence I mean he made something that trapped solaroids and some gods probably have essence. Uh I just highly highly doubt Dresden is unique in this quest. What about all the people in history in this world who could be considered enlightened in one way or another?
 
Fairly sure sun wukong probably exists in some capacity in Dresden files and by virtue here
The sage equal to heaven was not human hell he wasn't even mortal to begin with he was one of the four stone monkeys a supernatural existence from start to finish.
Merlin probably had essence I mean he made something that trapped solaroids and some gods probably have essence. Uh I just highly highly doubt Dresden is unique in this quest.
Merlin even in the most christianified myths isn't actually just a human by any stretch of the imagination one he's Immortal in most myths two he's outright some form of Incubus in other myths or he is literally the Antichrist who just decided nah.

If he had Essence I'd be kind of surprised considering it would make more sense for him to just be an insanely powerful magical because everything we've seen about magical seems to suggest they don't need Essence to be bullshit having a powerful lineage on top of extreme magical Talent would be well enough to do everything that he's ever stated to do.

The only God or spirit that we see that has Essence in this modern era is demon reach which might be a a backing to your idea that Merlin had Essence but it could also be it's an emergent property from holding exalted in it's prison. But Spirits or not at all human Wizards having Essence isn't really the point.

Dresden is the only son of man with active essence that has been confirmed to be that. Ever in this current iteration of reality he's also literally the only one who can teach it by the way like even disregarding being the only one with it he's the only one who can teach it flat out no God nor Demon Reach could teach Essence he can.

By most metrics he is a unique existence.
 
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The sage equal to heaven was not human hell he wasn't even mortal to begin with he was one of the four stone monkeys a supernatural existence from start to finish.

Merlin even in the most christianified myths isn't actually just a human by any stretch of the imagination one he's Immortal in most months too he's outright some form of Incubus in other myths or he is literally the Antichrist who just decided nah.

If he had Essence I'd be kind of surprised considering it would make more sense for him to just be an insanely powerful magical because everything we've seen about magical seems to suggest they don't need Essence to be bullshit having a powerful lineage on top of extreme magical Talent would be well enough to do everything that he's ever stated to do.

The only God or spirit that we see that has Essence in this modern era is demon reach which might be a a backing to your idea that Merlin had Essence but it could also be it's an emergent property from holding exalted in it's prison. But Spirits or not at all human Wizards having Essence isn't really the point.

Dresden is the only son of man with active essence that has been confirmed to be that. Ever in this current iteration of reality he's also literally the only one who can teach it by the way like even disregarding being the only one with it he's the only one who can teach it flat out no God nor Demon Reach could teach Essence he can.

By most metrics he is a unique existence.
I was referencing if wukong exists so do the peaches thought that would be obvious. Also still doubt Dresdens unique he's been exposed to our essence not even a year and went through a trial I mean we literally have an example of another trials ground we took it to make a forge.
 
I was referencing if wukong exists so do the peaches thought that would be obvious. Also still doubt Dresdens unique he's been exposed to our essence not even a year and went through a trial I mean we literally have an example of another trials ground we took it to make a forge.
You made mention of the fact they probably weren't the same things so I didn't feel the need to address it but that would still require a human to go into the Silver City I was going to say the Chinese Pantheon home but if God is the Jade Emperor then it's still the Silver City you need to break into the place where God is and try to steal from him as a human to get at the peaches of immortality if they still have the same Essence awaking properties which considering angels exist seems like a good way to get disintegrated instantly as a human.

His was a prize from an outer God The Proving ground was a place to become an adult not a trial from a literal hostile deity.
The law of reciprocity holds and the price of essence is the prize greater than Soul fire something only angels and two deities seem to possess.

I have no doubt we as an exalted and wielder of essence could make something that does not have to pay the reciprocity because we decide to value of essence in that instance but on the whole for a power greater than the flame of the choir of Heaven of the lord of the Aesir and the god of the Silver City.

There is no natural Proving Ground that isn't you either win or you instantly and permanently die do not pass go do not reincarnate do not go to an afterlife that could Supply such a prize.
 
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You made mention of the fact they probably weren't the same things so I didn't feel the need to address it but that would still require a human to go into the Silver City I was going to say the Chinese Pantheon home but if God is the Jade Emperor then it's still the Silver City you need to break into the place where God is and try to steal from him as a human to get at the peaches of immortality if they still have the same Essence awaking properties which considering angels exist seems like a good way to get disintegrated instantly as a human.

His was a prize from an outer God The Proving ground was a place to become an adult not a trial from a literal hostile deity.
The law of reciprocity holds and the price of essence is the prize greater than Soul fire something only angels and two deities seem to possess.

I have no doubt we as an exalted and wielder of essence could make something that does not have to pay the reciprocity because we decide to value of essence in that instance but on the whole for a power greater than the flame of the choir of Heaven of the lord of the Aesir and the god of the Silver City.

There is no natural Proving Ground that isn't you either win or you instantly and permanently die do not pass go do not reincarnate do not go to an afterlife that could Supply such a prize.
Not sure God really correlates to normal space and dimensions he probably exists in multiple places at once.

You're also making a lot of definitive statements with not a lot of proof. I mean Molly will only ever see a small portion of the world and she honestly doesn't even know a lot about the stuff right in front of her still. Not sure why you're making statements on how other proving grounds would work. We know there are more in the nevernever and around earth.
 
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Not sure God really correlates to normal space and dimensions he probably exists in multiple places at once.
I'm not sure what exactly you're getting at with this but you do realize being in multiple places at once makes it even harder to steal from it.

Like if you try to steal from the orchard of the peach trees in heaven you get a talking to from Jesus or you get disintegrated by one of the Flaming wheels of eyes or the big man shines his light down from on high and you immediately cease to exist or you appear back on Earth.
 
I'm not sure what exactly you're getting at with this but you do realize being in multiple places at once makes it even harder to steal from it.

Like if you try to steal from the orchard of the peach trees in heaven you get a talking to from Jesus or you get disintegrated by one of the Flaming wheels of eyes or the big man shines his light down from on high and you immediately cease to exist or you appear back on Earth.
more a statememnt of the celestial bueracracy being heaven I don't think space matters as much as you'd think in heavens/afterlives/whatever far nevenever planes exist out there. Different subject brought on by a comment you made.
 
You're also making a lot of definitive statements with not a lot of proof. I mean Molly will only ever see a small portion of the world and she honestly doesn't even know a lot about the stuff right in front of her still. Not sure why you're making statements on how other proving grounds would work. We know there are more in the nevernever and around earth.
Well I am making statements based on what we do know the law of reciprocity is literally what allows Dresden to acquire essence. When he goes into the Labyrinth the risk he was taking was damnation complete and total do not pass go and the reward was commensurate and included things like soulfire.

The Proving Ground which we know how it works it was alluded to and shown to us that it's in a place like Harvard because that is where people go to become adults in society abilities that are directly in line with that goal of becoming someone.

The talent that went in that we found got a unique ritual for his own psychic ability he did not come out with something completely unrelated that is also tens of magnitudes greater than his talent.

Also I must State you are the one making the claim that Dresden isn't unique when there is a lot of both circumstantial and actual evidence to the contrary and then not really backing it up. You were asking me to prove negative you say there are more examples of human people with Essence and I say there are not for X, X and X reason then you provide nothing to back up your assertion.
 
[X] Explain that in time, with great effort and at great risk an Enlightened Wizard might be able to reproduce such a work. Explain that the Book of Law is near the peak of what is possible to do with the craft (4 dot rating), so even someone with a capability would need talent, study, and a lot of experience to try making it with any hope of success. And even then they would need very special unique infrastructure to help them.
-[X] "It would be the work of a lifetime, a Wizard's lifetime, to develop the necessary skills to even hope to reproduce the Book. So by all means, I encourage you to find and help train such a Wizard, if they are willing to devote themselves to the task."
 
What happened is Molly learned more about how Ancient Sorcery works as she practiced Ancient Sorcery. She learned the difference between the Terrestrial Circle, which mortals can access and the Celestial which they cannot because they lack the authority over those aspects of the world. When I gave that ruling she had precisely one ancient spell and that was Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism. Still trying to find Ancient Sorcery from first principles would take a super-genius, but you are here and you cab teach.

Also the first Enlightening of a wizard in who knows how much took that wizard being exposed to Essence use for months and then being tested by the Labyrinth and succeeding. That is not something the council could manufacture.
You're delineating splendors on a dot level here though, and allowing them to replicate stuff that sure sounds like solar circle sorcery in this vote. All these prerequisites for one person to get some access to parts of this is very different than it being something any wizard can in principle learn and accomplish too.

I stand by my position that this whole arc has felt a lot like it's exaggerated a power creep trend with wizards, where they can just do whatever even when it doesn't fit what the DF typically showed us.

In a lot of ways it seems like they follow whatever rule is most convenient from either source material.

WoD mages are baby demiurges and can do some deeply exotic effects on the fly, limited by the way the world fights them. Canon DF wizards are supernatural engineers using their knowledge of magical forces to leverage their power to outside impact, limited by the same mortal nature that gives them the freedom to act.

The quest wizards effectively act like WoD mages with the brakes taken off. They're only mortal magical engineers for the purposes of avoiding the main limits on their splat.

A WoD mage who acted like the average wizard would be turned inside out and exploded into pissed off goslings by the consensus in like a week. Harry would probably last two days and leave a crater visible from orbit.

This halfway localization seems very unbalanced mechanically and incongruous narratively.
 
You're delineating splendors on a dot level here though, and allowing them to replicate stuff that sure sounds like solar circle sorcery in this vote. All these prerequisites for one person to get some access to parts of this is very different than it being something any wizard can in principle learn and accomplish too.

I stand by my position that this whole arc has felt a lot like it's exaggerated a power creep trend with wizards, where they can just do whatever even when it doesn't fit what the DF typically showed us.

In a lot of ways it seems like they follow whatever rule is most convenient from either source material.

WoD mages are baby demiurges and can do some deeply exotic effects on the fly, limited by the way the world fights them. Canon DF wizards are supernatural engineers using their knowledge of magical forces to leverage their power to outside impact, limited by the same mortal nature that gives them the freedom to act.

The quest wizards effectively act like WoD mages with the brakes taken off. They're only mortal magical engineers for the purposes of avoiding the main limits on their splat.

A WoD mage who acted like the average wizard would be turned inside out and exploded into pissed off goslings by the consensus in like a week. Harry would probably last two days and leave a crater visible from orbit.

This halfway localization seems very unbalanced mechanically and incongruous narratively.

They suffer a bunch of other limits, off the top of my head:
  1. Life is a very rare sphere and thus so is healing
  2. They must follow the Laws or the go insane
  3. Even when they do things that are not law-breaking the magic will compel them to keep doing those things, there is a reason many wizards end up obsessed hermits
As for all of them being able to make splendors, that is not the case simply because not all of them can Enlighten. Harry can teach it because that is the nature of enlightening a mortal's essence, but not every wizard or even most of them can learn it. Mechanically you are encountering a lot of edge cases and Molly is actively wedging a hand in the door to make them wider, this isn't the natural state of wizards in setting anymore than it is the natural state of vampires to have perfect control of their Hunger (and that is just using a single charm). To get into this position in this place took an arc's worth of triumphs and unlikely circumstances

Edit: Anyway it's really late for me, will talk more in the morning. Good night
 
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[x] Explain that you might be able to teach Harry and others like him, putting even more responsibility on his shoulders
-[x][Stunt]"Technically I suppose that a very skilled determined mortal wizard might be able to able to recreate this work. But of all the wizards in this room only Warden Dresden has managed to take even the first step. The first step of many and for all his many qualities Dresden hasn't stroke me as a dedicated enchanter."
 
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I stand by my position that this whole arc has felt a lot like it's exaggerated a power creep trend with wizards, where they can just do whatever even when it doesn't fit what the DF typically showed us.
I do get what you mean but Dresden Files makes a lot of talk about Wizards being like that and then it also shows Wizards that make things like the Dark Hallow do things like a pull satellites out of orbit and use them as ICBM, Challenge mythic Titans to duels, launch curses that strike someone supposedly immune to magic, Animate a T-Rex skeleton and ride down main street, instantly project an image of a Room into the minds of 500 people, get into running transformation battles with demigods and more.
 
I do get what you mean but Dresden Files makes a lot of talk about Wizards being like that and then it also shows Wizards that make things like the Dark Hallow do things like a pull satellites out of orbit and use them as ICBM, Challenge mythic Titans to duels, launch curses that strike someone supposedly immune to magic, Animate a T-Rex skeleton and ride down main street, instantly project an image of a Room into the minds of 500 people, get into running transformation battles with demigods and more.
The complaint isn't so much a matter of biggatons, but method and flexibility. It's like the difference between someone capable of using a gun well and someone being able to manifest a gun at will.

Blowing up a mountain is just a matter of applying enough force. But no amount of force should be able to just unweave the works of an Exalted which has made the effect a law of nature.

Even if your video game character is the most powerful thing ever you still can't jump over a waist high a fence.
 
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The complaint isn't so much a matter of biggatons, but method and flexibility. It's like the difference between someone capable of using a gun well and someone being able to manifest a gun at will.

Blowing up a mountain is just a matter of applying enough force. But no amount of force should be able to just unweave the works of an Exalted which has made the effect a law of nature.

Even if your video game character is the most powerful thing ever you still can't jump over a waist high a fence.
There's the thing I was making a metaphysical argument as well as a biggatons argument for every ICBM there's a Dark Hollow that literally elevates a mortal wizard to the point where they are a peer of an incarna class Spirit like Mab, for every running transformation battle that shows a wizard literally being on par Transformation Magic wise as a animal spirit demigod there's Pierce through outer God anti-magic for every room of 500 that are now capable of seeing in the dark because it wizard projected the image of the room they're in into their minds there's complete violation of the boundaries between life and death.

For every freeze the surface of a lake in midsummer using only vague conversion of heat into fire there is challenge a literal Titan to combat and the Titan has no choice but to fight. Wizards in Dresden Files for all of their mechanics and Hermitage and generally being better on the wait and see and study front have always been just complete trespassers of metaphysical domains.
 
I do get what you mean but Dresden Files makes a lot of talk about Wizards being like that and then it also shows Wizards that make things like the Dark Hallow do things like a pull satellites out of orbit and use them as ICBM, Challenge mythic Titans to duels, launch curses that strike someone supposedly immune to magic, Animate a T-Rex skeleton and ride down main street, instantly project an image of a Room into the minds of 500 people, get into running transformation battles with demigods and more.

Don't forget that Battle Ground - a book the fandom seems to feel downgraded Mab, Titania, and the senior council in terms of power (because the Eye of Balor was used to destroy individual buildings, and its user [who was exhausted by it] curbstomped Weakened!Mab, FullPower!Titania, and Odin, before ripping through the Erlking and some senior council mages as a treat) also had Carlos Ramirez, who started learning magic after Storm Front, casually disintegrate a crowd of potent enemy fomori water mages by ripping apart their molecules with water magic, in a way that Harry noted was difficult to do without exhausting/killing yourself.

Wizards be crazy, guys.

Edit: And before I forget to talk about this stuff-

First of all, we don't really know when Justine gets infected, much less other people. Nemesis has an unknown vector, possibly one not visible within reality. But while a Splendor probably can't pull off Yog's map trick (since the globe is Background-based), a prodigy with a bit of He-Who-Walks-Besides-stuff probably could just… be a constantly-updating list of every person Nfected. I'd like to make that sometime soon, if possible, because fuck Nemesis. I'm not spending Crown questions to find the newest list every time we find an Nfected; let's make a custom artifact for it and use the pawns to harvest this thing's collected Lore!

Secondly?
Seven dots: Darksight: Watch and listen through any shadow in the world.

Tiffany may be using D:tF Lores… but Nick's been given a Vampire Discipline. A five dot plus vampire discipline. Alongside an ally constantly using it, to make it worse.

Which brings us to my third point:


the soul oF darKness (10 points)
The Exalt's patron infuses the power of some foreign darkness into her heart. She gains one of the following: Werewolf or other Changing Breed Gifts worth five levels in total; five total dots of Kindred or Hungry Dead Disciplines; or five total dots of demonic Lores. The Exalt substitutes Essence for any Rage, Gnosis, blood point, Chi, or Faith costs they may demand. (Celerity, Fortitude, Potence, and similar powers that simply add more dice aren't recommended when designing NPCs with this system, as it's not much fun to fight an archenemy who simply has such a titanic dice pool that you can never hit or hurt them no matter what, which is what will happen if you stack those on top of the "Excellence"-series Charms.)

I thought we were limited to 5 dots max if we used The Soul of Darkness. (Which is still useful as hell - dots in weird powers, without having to spend XP? Especially DtF 1-3 dots, which manifest as free (as in moteless) abilities, even if they're less effective than what we already do? Useful, even if Tiff takes the impressive powers - the Crafting Lore has a lovely enhancer for items we make, and she probably won't mind if we copy a trick or two to keep ourself relevant after we run out of motes.

But. It's just hitting me that we could acquire 'plot device' (the Antediluvian 10-dot power) by bargaining bits of our soul away - if two purchases, for twenty points, means we can get 10 dots of a discipline. Which seemed unlikely, because Holden disdained archsphere silliness… but if our enemies can get high-tier bullshit, then an exalt selling bits of their soul? Might be able to get the same. Especially if the limit is normally 'free will goes down/refresh goes up,' and we're an EXALT.

Hell sure knows how to be tempting, huh?

And now I'm wondering what the actual in-game effects of those Temporis powers are… Although 10 dot Celerity would be nice.
 
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I'm referencing Holden's rules for becoming Devil-Eaten. It takes place while sleeping (practically consuming AP, at this point), which means we can chain ourselves up in a pool of bleach for a -4 to DC (gets it down to 5), and it has no hard mechanical consequences until we sell all of our soul potential (currently 90).

It's just that we'd be bargaining with the Yama Kings, or equivalents. Or at least their minions. And the things we could offer for a discount are… generally bad, so we'd have to go fully hardcore on technicalities, which Molly doesn't have the build for. And soft-system wise, they'd be incentivized to make our life harder to bring us back to the bargaining table, which is… a lot.

And time would be frozen; excellencies should still work, but there's no Essence recovery while it happens. And it takes a ritual that costs 10 motes to get there, so it'd be best if we took 2 or 3 hours in the bleach before sleeping. After a light day.

Ultimately, it's an option in our action plan, but one that would definitely freak out our parents/family/allies, and almost all of the options we could buy aren't worth the drawbacks that come with them.

But - as a well-written bargain - it's still tempting, isn't it? To get the power level labeled 'plot device,' which allowed Antediluvians to pull off just about anything on a planetary scale within the scope of their Discipline. And to get some Angel/Demon Lores to help out our Essence economy, all without spending a whit of XP…
 
Tempting yes, but like… Molly will get their on her own eventually, so I would personally rather do things like "build a new dragon child" or "fortify the gate to her soul properly" than sell bits of her realm for personal power
 
Tempting yes, but like… Molly will get their on her own eventually, so I would personally rather do things like "build a new dragon child" or "fortify the gate to her soul properly" than sell bits of her realm for personal power
Right. Pretty sure selling bits of her soul off to Fallen Angels would result in the Five Courts being sold off in pieces too.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Nov 27, 2024 at 12:51 AM, finished with 66 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Explain that in time, with great effort and at great risk an Enlightened Wizard might be able to reproduce such a work. Explain that the Book of Law is near the peak of what is possible to do with the craft (4 dot rating), so even someone with a capability would need talent, study, and a lot of experience to try making it with any hope of success. And even then they would need very special unique infrastructure to help them.
    -[X] "It would be the work of a lifetime, a Wizard's lifetime, to develop the necessary skills to even hope to reproduce the Book. So by all means, I encourage you to find and help train such a Wizard, if they are willing to devote themselves to the task."
    [X] Explain that in time, with great effort and at great risk an Enlightened Wizard might be able to reproduce such a work. Explain that the Book of Law is near the peak of what is possible to do with the craft (4 dot rating), so even someone with a capability would need talent, study, and a lot of experience to try making it with any hope of success. And even then they would need very special unique infrastructure to help them.
    [X] Explain that you might be able to teach Harry and others like him, putting even more responsibility on his shoulders
    [X] Explain that you might be able to teach Harry and others like him, putting even more responsibility on his shoulders
    -[x][Stunt]"Technically I suppose that a very skilled determined mortal wizard might be able to able to recreate this work. But of all the wizards in this room only Warden Dresden has managed to take even the first step. The first step of many and for all his many qualities Dresden hasn't stroke me as a dedicated enchanter."
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 27, 2024 at 12:54 PM, finished with 68 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Explain that in time, with great effort and at great risk an Enlightened Wizard might be able to reproduce such a work. Explain that the Book of Law is near the peak of what is possible to do with the craft (4 dot rating), so even someone with a capability would need talent, study, and a lot of experience to try making it with any hope of success. And even then they would need very special unique infrastructure to help them.
    -[X] "It would be the work of a lifetime, a Wizard's lifetime, to develop the necessary skills to even hope to reproduce the Book. So by all means, I encourage you to find and help train such a Wizard, if they are willing to devote themselves to the task."
    [X] Explain that in time, with great effort and at great risk an Enlightened Wizard might be able to reproduce such a work. Explain that the Book of Law is near the peak of what is possible to do with the craft (4 dot rating), so even someone with a capability would need talent, study, and a lot of experience to try making it with any hope of success. And even then they would need very special unique infrastructure to help them.
    [X] Explain that you might be able to teach Harry and others like him, putting even more responsibility on his shoulders
    [X] Explain that you might be able to teach Harry and others like him, putting even more responsibility on his shoulders
    -[x][Stunt]"Technically I suppose that a very skilled determined mortal wizard might be able to able to recreate this work. But of all the wizards in this room only Warden Dresden has managed to take even the first step. The first step of many and for all his many qualities Dresden hasn't stroke me as a dedicated enchanter."
 
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Pivot and Reflex

25st of February 2007 A.D.

"It would be the work of a lifetime, a Wizard's lifetime, to develop the necessary skills to even hope to reproduce the Book." Holding up the time for all to see, most with their eyes, the brave with Sight beyond you're not entirely sure if that's true, on the matter of wizards the very oldest of the memories are silent and Usum has more guesswork than certainty, but one thing you can be sure of: having been given a challenge the wizards of the White Council will try. "By all means, I encourage you to find and help train such a Wizard, if they are willing to devote themselves to the task.

"I hold that this is a challenge beyond the usual scope of the Council's artifice and of gravest import does any content the point?" Cristos asks, his voice carrying far with the power of an orator trained. After a moment's silence he adds: "Let it be consigned."

You are surprised to see Donald Morgan of all people standing at the Merlin's right hand quill in hand as he does the work that had once been Peabody's. This will not be a long term posting, the sour look on his face communicates.

"I further hold that the usual means of portioning such a task is beyond voluntary assignment, such secrets should only by those the council at large agree are trusted." he adds to growing rumbles and one or two knowing looks from the Senior Council. McCoy in particular seems restive, which given what you had seen of the man in battle should worry the younger wizard, though he seems blithely unconcerned.

Even though there is no pause and certainly no writing Cristos continues: "By ancient precedent the council may not assign a task to any but those who voluntarily take on the Warden's cloak. Alas that the most skilled enchanter among the Wardens had proven too sore wounded from her battle against the Capricorpus..." Had the White Council given her name in Latin you wonder idly as the political play comes into view, no concern of yours.

At least you didn't think it was a concern of yours until you noticed Harry looks angry too and he's considerably worse at keeping it off his face than his grandfather.

"What...?"

"That son of... gun is going to use this to take Luccio's job and give it to one of his 'friends.' He's forgetting I'm here as well and I'm the best positioned to do it."

Watching Harry wind himself up to rush to the rescue from the outside is kind of cute, but also... Warden Captain Luccio did try kill the Merlin while under the control of a warlock, being partially responsible for why the protections of the Halls were in such disarray as she dragged even some Wardens who were not under magical control away from their posts.

Harry is about to look like an ass lording his new status over other wizards to force a decision. At best it looks like a clumsy way to pay back patronage, though wizards being human there's little doubt in your mind that more outre and sinister explanations will show up as time goes on.

What do you do?

[] Try to stop Harry from forcing the issue

[] Stay silent, this might not be the position to take a stand on, but it's about time the rest of the Council came to understand Harry's influence after all the times they yanked his chain

[] Write in


OOC: A bit short, but this is the first time you guys got to use that dot of politics you got last level (will update the sheet soon) so I figured you should get a vote.
 
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