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firefrog600 said:
And for us just not using bleach bath to go out and find deadman switches and capture the people on the list? Cause like please I don't wanna deal with that later.
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Now that we have dealt with the fires and the Warden are back together they should be able to handle all that without needing our help. In fact I expect them to insist. It's embarrassing enough how much outside help they have required for an internal problem.
 
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You will get the chance to offer help with the clean up don't worry.
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But seriously dp it was a pretty big oversight that molly wouldn't just take a 4 hour rest in some bleach and then get back out there to use crown questions for dead man switches and hunt down the list before they go underground. I mean not to mention we might not want to explain how we have all those names. We could of done a lot in those hours much less days and I really don't want to have to spend ap on this when it wasn't needed.
 
firefrog600 said:
But seriously dp it was a pretty big oversight that molly wouldn't just take a 4 hour rest in some bleach and then get back out there to use crown questions for dead man switches and hunt down the list before they go underground. I mean not to mention we might not want to explain how we have all those names. We could of done a lot in those hours much less days and I really don't want to have to spend ap on this when it wasn't needed.
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You are underestimating how far information can go in several hours for people with access to the Nevernever or just phones. You are not going to find these people just standing in their homes after Paris was done.
 
DragonParadox said:
You are underestimating how far information can go in several hours for people with access to the Nevernever or just phones. You are not going to find these people just standing in their homes after Paris was done.
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We have the crown we could easily find these people so yes with those 4 hours to regen we could hunt them one by one and not spend ap. We could of even made the crown questions while in the bleach bath.
 
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firefrog600 said:
We have the crown we could easily find these people so yes with those 4 hours to regen we could hunt them one by one and not spend ap. We could of even made the crown questions while in the bleach bath.
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You could easily find any one of them, between the Essence cost, the need to not break the masquerade and the fact that many of them fled into the Nevernever where you cannot use water as a bridge getting your hands on them would be considerably harder.
 
DragonParadox said:
You could easily find any one of them, between the Essence cost, the need to not break the masquerade and the fact that many of them fled into the Nevernever where you cannot use water as a bridge getting your hands on them would be considerably harder.
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I doubt much of anything would shelter them in the nevernever most of them would be as fucked as a normal wizard going there. Doing evil things does not always guarantee you protection and if it's outsider stuff any of them are involved in their even more screwed as most of their stuff is volatile to mortals and kill them even when being actively summoned. Also the masquerade is rock solid less than blowing up a city or something it's really hard to break it wed need to make a concentrated effort to mess with it. Where would they go highly public places 24/7? At worst someone declared a terrorist that can't be connected to us. But like exposing the supernatural is not easy I bet we could blow up the Eiffel Tower on a broom and most people would just say it's a hoax and terrorists did it. We can also constantly be regenerating essence under bleach even more if we are in our hell. Plus we can phrase the questions to know where several of them are at once.
 
firefrog600 said:
I doubt much of anything would shelter them in the nevernever most of them would be as fucked as a normal wizard going there. Doing evil things does not always guarantee you protection and if it's outsider stuff any of them are involved in their even more screwed as most of their stuff is volatile to mortals and kill them even when being actively summoned. Also the masquerade is rock solid less than blowing up a city or something it's really hard to break it wed need to make a concentrated effort to mess with it. Where would they go highly public places 24/7? At worst someone declared a terrorist that can't be connected to us. But like exposing the supernatural is not easy I bet we could blow up the Eiffel Tower on a broom and most people would just say it's a hoax and terrorists did it. We can also constantly be regenerating essence under bleach even more if we are in our hell. Plus we can phrase the questions to know where several of them are at once.
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It is less 'they would find shelter with third parties' and more 'they have bolt holes' same for public places there are ways to make this inconvenient to you and the wardens, these people do not want to die and they have been preparing for this possibility for longer than Molly has been alive.

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 4, 2024 at 1:42 PM, finished with 61 posts and 11 votes.
  • [X] An Old Hand
    [X] A New Movement
    [X] A New Movement: The younger Wardens who came into their power during the war like Carlos would be the most open to radical reform and if they idea can catch in a full Council meeting Senior wizards may have to swallow their objections and go full steam ahead. You could even convince Harry to do something political for once rather than having politics be something that happens to him.
    [X] Write-in: start by talking to thpse you know won't dismiss the ideas out of hand and will take you seriously. Ebenezer from old generation, Carlos from the new generation, and Harry as thr person who knows you best.
    -[X] Involve Olivia in discussion. This is her stated personal crusade after all
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DragonParadox said:
It is less 'they would find shelter with third parties' and more 'they have bolt holes' same for public places there are ways to make this inconvenient to you and the wardens, these people do not want to die and they have been preparing for this possibility for longer than Molly has been alive.

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 4, 2024 at 1:42 PM, finished with 61 posts and 11 votes.
  • [X] An Old Hand
    [X] A New Movement
    [X] A New Movement: The younger Wardens who came into their power during the war like Carlos would be the most open to radical reform and if they idea can catch in a full Council meeting Senior wizards may have to swallow their objections and go full steam ahead. You could even convince Harry to do something political for once rather than having politics be something that happens to him.
    [X] Write-in: start by talking to thpse you know won't dismiss the ideas out of hand and will take you seriously. Ebenezer from old generation, Carlos from the new generation, and Harry as thr person who knows you best.
    -[X] Involve Olivia in discussion. This is her stated personal crusade after all
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How? No seriously how? Their still human they can at most stay in the nevernever like a couple weeks before dying or turning into something else but more likely dying. Just breathing in the air over time will slowly kill humies. Also you should honestly roll for some of them to die just entering the nevernever if they are. Because 3 feet in the real world can produce totally different places how would they even get to the safe place bolt holes? Their normal safety would be the white council has fuck all power to find them. Because anonymity and tracking magics aren't all that great even for the best wizards.

Also even if they could find some places Molly with 4 hours could have gotten some on the list who would have no possible chance of getting away.
 
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firefrog600 said:
Because 3 feet in the real world can produce totally different places how would they even get to the safe place bolt holes?
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I can give you three reasons one they have just straight up mystical allies that live in the Never Never they're still Wizards and that's just a thing they do. Two they open the way inside of their houses just like we did in last station they know what is around that area. Three they have prepared these routes on the off chance they get caught before they're ready which has become an actuality.
firefrog600 said:
Their still human they can at most stay in the nevernever like a couple weeks before dying or turning into something else but more likely dying. Just breathing in the air over time will slowly kill humies.
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This is just not true humans can as far as I know both In Dresden files and in world of Darkness survive being inside the Umbra for a extended period of time as long as they bring real food with them and don't stay past a couple of months continuously not all together just continuously popping back out to the real world for a couple days and then going back resets that timer both on having real food to eat and suffering void adoption.

I get it I really do and to be honest going to their houses and figuring out where exactly in the never never they went and then shape-shifting into a random fairies and telling the white Council members this is where in the Never Never they went might be good but they did get away and that's not Stellar but it's fine really.
 
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Degorium said:
I can give you three reasons one they have just straight up mystical allies that live in the Never Never they're still Wizards and that's just a thing they do. Two they open the way inside of their houses just like we did in last station they know what is around that area. Three they have prepared these roots on the off chance they get caught before they're ready which has become an actuality.

This is just not true humans can as far as I know both In Dresden files and in world of Darkness survive being inside the Umbra for a extended period of time as long as they bring real food with them and don't stay past a couple of months continuously not all together just continuously popping back out to the real world for a couple days and then going back resets that timer both on having real food to eat and suffering void adoption.

I get it I really do and to be honest going to their houses and figuring out where exactly in the never never they went and then shape-shifting into a random fairies and telling the white Council members this is where in the Never Never they went might be good but they did get away and that's not Stellar but it's fine really.
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I asked how they got to said bolt holes because they'd still have to travel and navigate the nevernever to do so. All 20 or so of them somehow. You know on less than a couple hours notice. Also many of said 'allies' would be of convenience not to mention as likely to kill them as help fucking outsiders kill their summoners all the fucking time as an example. Demons ain't much better.
 
firefrog600 said:
How? No seriously how? Their still human they can at most stay in the nevernever like a couple weeks before dying or turning into something else but more likely dying. Just breathing in the air over time will slowly kill humies. Also you should honestly roll for some of them to die just entering the nevernever if they are. Because 3 feet in the real world can produce totally different places how would they even get to the safe place bolt holes? Their normal safety would be the white council has fuck all power to find them. Because anonymity and tracking magics aren't all that great even for the best wizards.

Also even if they could find some places Molly with 4 hours could have gotten some on the list who would have no possible chance of getting away.
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The limit isn't weeks it's more like months and it can be extended by bringing your own food and especially by dipping in and out. Molly would have gotten some easily, mostly the same ones who died to wardens already.
 
DragonParadox said:
The limit isn't weeks it's more like months and it can be extended by bringing your own food and especially by dipping in and out. Molly would have gotten some easily, mostly the same ones who died to wardens already.
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So some 20 wizards with many different specialties on short notice all had boltholes that can be conveniently navigated too without having time to reach said location? All of these bolt holes are conveniently enough places they can reach them from their homes? Honestly that's an absurd level of magical prep like I wouldn't believe the council could do it with a century of planning. If they all started in the same place sure. But navigation is damgerous and they'd need travel time likely in the real world to get there.

I mean even having a nevernever bolthole is decently absurd from a Dresden files perspective. I mean I can maybe buy it but you'd probably need an archmage to do it or something and honestly don't even buy them doing it because the nevernever constantly changes and you know has people that move around it. So any bolthole might be more dangerous. In canon they'd likely just hide on earth because the council can't just find them.
 
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firefrog600 said:
I asked how they got to said bolt holes because they'd still have to travel and navigate the nevernever to do so.
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That's number three they prepared their essentially route through the never beforehand whether it's through magic like warding or having bound demons, fairies, djinn or whatever hold their particular Way open to their bolt hole the methods might vary by wizard. The preparation remains no matter how they prepared.
firefrog600 said:
Also many of said 'allies' would be of convenience not to mention as likely to kill them as help fucking outsiders kill their summoners all the fucking time as an example. Demons ain't much better.
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Wizards have powers that are crazy the same thing that allows Dresden to force a a literal deific Titan into one-on-one combat is the same power that these warlocks could Levy against any number of supernatural creatures to make them do their bidding and as warlocks they have no reason not to do that. If they have the skill or power to bind any Supernatural creature that is capable of holding open a never never way for them and they did it that's it, it's not like they can disobey once they do that.
 
firefrog600 said:
So some 20 wizards with many different specialties on short notice all had boltholes that can be conveniently navigated too without having time to reach said location? All of these bolt holes are conveniently enough places they can reach them from their homes? Honestly that's an absurd level of magical prep like I wouldn't believe the council could do it with a century of planning. If they all started in the same place sure. But navigation is damgerous and they'd need travel time likely in the real world to get there.

I mean even having a nevernever bolthole is decently absurd from a Dresden files perspective. I mean I can maybe buy it but you'd probably need an archmage to do it or something and honestly don't even buy them doing it because the nevernever constantly changes and you know has people that move around it. So any bolthole might be more dangerous. In canon they'd likely just hide on earth because the council can't just find them.
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No, the ones whose specialties did not allow it or who did not want to abandon their homes or who thought they could talk their way out are now dead to Wardens. I'm saying the ones who were meaningfully prepared could not be taken out in a few hours.
 
Degorium said:
That's number three they prepared their essentially route through the never beforehand whether it's through magic like warding or having bound demons, fairies, djinn or whatever hold their particular Way open to their bolt hole the methods might vary by wizard. The preparation remains no matter how they prepared.

Wizards have powers that are crazy the same thing that allows Dresden to force a a literal deific Titan into one-on-one combat is the same power that these warlocks could Levy against any number of supernatural creatures to make them do their bidding and as warlocks they have no reason not to do that. If they have the skill or power to bind any Supernatural creature that is capable of holding open and never never wave for them and they did it that's it it's not like they can disobey once they do that.
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Bruh these guys probably don't individually even know each other. There's no way this shit isn't segregated on some level. Not to mention their not all friends they have varying goals some trying to destroy the world some not. Not to mention not all of them should be capable of said bolthole
 
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DragonParadox said:
No, the ones whose specialties did not allow it or who did not want to abandon their homes or who thought they could talk their way out are now dead to Wardens. I'm saying the ones who were meaningfully prepared could not be taken out in a few hours.
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So every not prepared one came to be killed at the council? There's none that were just you know sleeping or not being contacted?

Also you know in canon their boltholes would probably be on earth. We are an ocp for most of them. They really shouldn't have plans that somehow get away in the nevernever. Who the fuck is crazy enough to hide in the nevernever as a human?
 
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firefrog600 said:
So every not prepared one came to be killed at the council? There's none that were just you know sleeping or not being contacted?

Also you know in canon their boltholes would probably be on earth. We are an ocp for most of them. They really shouldn't have plans that somehow get away in the nevernever.
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They have people to interrogate now, some of them are even cooperative, there are limits to how much you can compartmentalize a conspiracy this small. The people who would be sleeping though this are also the ones low down enough that they can finger each other.
 
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They have people to interrogate now, some of them are even cooperative, there are limits to how much you can compartmentalize a conspiracy this small. The people who would be sleeping though this are also the ones low down enough that they can finger each other.
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In fairness to sleep I'm fairly sure even archmages need it. Fuck white court need it lol a time zone could reasonably be the doom for some of even the prepared and competent of them.
 
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    20th of February 2007 A.D.

    McAnally's is free of the locals given the company that's hardly surprising. On the one hand there's you Lydia, Olivia and Tiffany, looking a lot less tentative than when you met the archive to be in neutral ground under the gaze of someone distinctly not neutral in matters of Heaven and Hell at least. On the other there's the McCoy looking chillingly cheerful for a man who's been putting warlocks to death for the last two days, Harry hovering awkwardly as though not sure how to treat the man he's treated as a father figure for most of his life now that he knows they are also related by blood, he can be silly like that, and last though certainly not least another wizard, thin and robed in purple so dark it's almost black, tall enough that even Harry has to look up to meet his eyes under the shadow of the cloak. I am not tempted to hover just so I don't have to crane my neck... mostly not.

    "Ms Carpenter?" The greeting has the soft melodic quality of one accustomed to some other tongue than English, given his apparent age maybe one passed into history. "Before we begin I would like to thank you for all you have done, this is where I would normally say it's impossible to know how much harm you have averted, but I suspect you have a better guess than most."

    "Gatekeeper," you offer a nod in greeting while trying to keep your answering look from seeming too suspicious. Is he just congratulating me for knowing about Outsiders, or is he implying something about my information gathering capacities?

    "You are most welcome, though truth be told I wasn't really thinking of the Council a whole when all this started. I noticed someone had invaded the mind of a guest under my protection and... things spiraled."


    McCoy snorts into his beard, while the other elder wizard's smile is all the brighter in the darkness of his cowl. "They do have that tendency when fate cracks under under the weight of deeds abroad." He takes a sip of tea, you didn't even know Mac served tea, maybe he made an exception. "I assume you have more you would like to offer for the clean up efforts, things that may be misconstrued if they are not defined well in advance..."

    "Why are you assuming that?" Tiffany arches an eyebrow. "If I were in your place I'd be expecting to be expecting to be served the bill right now, not offered more helped unasked for."

    "If that is the case I shall do my utmost to accommodate the request but blind as I might be to the threads of fate and future past experience still serves as a guide with not a drop of magic spilled."

    "No, no, you guessed right, I want to talk about helping, especially the people who..." You very carefully do not look at Harry without seeming to be very careful, "broke the Laws especially under duress or trickery. I believe I have the means to set right that injustice and help the council's enforcement going forward."

    "Bullets make bad medicine," Olivia adds, a reminder of her own deeds, though surprisingly not sounding too bitter about it. Having seen the Council not just struggling but almost broken from within has dredged up a bit more sympathy in her about the way they enforce the Laws, though how much it will last is anyone's guess.

    "This isn't the kind of solution where you invent a new kind of vampire?" McCoy's words are barely a question, but they are a question. It occurs to you then that Olivia isn't looking very human is either of them to senses more than mortal and 'vampire' is at least a roughly decent guess.

    Showtime Molly, you think... even as Usum chines in that you are an empress not an entertainer, as though those two roles have nothing in common.

    How do you explain the situation?

    [] Start with the familiar, the dead spirit, the legacy of Kemler
    -[] Write in stunt

    [] Explain as best you can how forging legends into matter works
    -[] Write in stunt

    [] Offer to use False Spring Beckon on one of them for something trivial
    -[] Write in stunt

    [] Write in

    OOC: I thought about writing through this, but the direction you take this will seriously impact which wizards are willing to go along with this and ultimately if you can get this though a vote either of the Senior Council or the White Council as a whole. No rolls for this one since it was just an introduction.
     
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