BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
How are you getting 5 essence instead of 7 here? She can travel to and from the FFC for free as long as she doesn't bring people.
Edit: Her max is 18 not 9 as well.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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Edit: Her max is 18 not 9 as well.
Errors, sorry. Correcting.
Thanks for pointing them out.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Full speed ahead.
[X] Just knock them out and continue down, you have your lead
-[X]Molly + Sophia for nonlethal takedowns
-[X]Disable, disarm, cuff them, and carry them along
-[X]STUNT: You wait for McCoy to finish talking, unfolding Dark Sun as you exchange a silent mental conference with Sophia and Lydia, relying on Sophia to relay on to the rest of the party even as she spills some more water on herself. When McCoy stops talking, you catch his eye, and at his grim nod, you move.
[X] Just knock them out and continue down, you have your lead
-[X]Molly + Sophia for nonlethal takedowns
-[X]Disable, disarm, cuff them, and carry them along
-[X]STUNT: You wait for McCoy to finish talking, unfolding Dark Sun as you exchange a silent mental conference with Sophia and Lydia, relying on Sophia to relay on to the rest of the party even as she spills some more water on herself. When McCoy stops talking, you catch his eye, and at his grim nod, you move.
[X] Just knock them out and continue down, you have your lead
-[X]Molly + Sophia for nonlethal takedowns
-[X]Disable, disarm, cuff them, and carry them along
-[X]STUNT: You wait for McCoy to finish talking, unfolding Dark Sun as you exchange a silent mental conference with Sophia and Lydia, relying on Sophia to relay on to the rest of the party even as she spills some more water on herself. When McCoy stops talking, you catch his eye, and at his grim nod, you move.
-[X]Molly + Sophia for nonlethal takedowns
-[X]Disable, disarm, cuff them, and carry them along
-[X]STUNT: You wait for McCoy to finish talking, unfolding Dark Sun as you exchange a silent mental conference with Sophia and Lydia, relying on Sophia to relay on to the rest of the party even as she spills some more water on herself. When McCoy stops talking, you catch his eye, and at his grim nod, you move.
'Night guys.
We don't have time to screw around like this, and only idiots would think cuffs are enough to hold Molly. I'd be worried about the Wizards trying something weird instead.
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Our words are our weapon and getting a bunch of extra wizards on side seems worthwhile.
Generally speaking I think you overestimate the value of a difficulty modifier relative to less tangible disadvantages. Too many unknowns on too right a schedule, it just doesn't make sense.
More to the point, Luccio is not here.
These are the three or four junior Wardens she left behind herself as a rear guard.
No decision they make here binds her or any of the Wardens she's with, even if she was enough in her right mind to actually stop.
She's mind controlled.
As far as we know, she doesnt have free will here.
- Location
- washington
its probably not absolute mind control mainly cause I don't think mortals are much capable of that without breaking the mind. But yeah there's no way shes of good mind enough for us to entrust her in anyway.
Speaking of that, might be good to consider something for helping with the damage all the victims of the mind magic bullshit are going to have. Even the people only lightly influenced will still have something.
FSB isn't really viable for this though it may work as well on magically induced mental damage as on lawbreaking because there are too many of them spread out too far. We don't have time to make a tour of the world every 4 weeks to medicate anyone touched by Peabody's roofie ink.
Even if we did the council is a lot less likely to accept large numbers of their people being bound like that. We'll be lucky if they accept it as a temporary solution to forced warlocks.
I think this is where the birds @Yog built come into play. The synergy for loopholing the law is way too much at this stage, but we can take steps to make them more comfortable with the idea.
I don't see anything that indicates we can't produce different types of magical familiars from a similar basis, and even if the true mechanics are different getting used to the form of something will carry over even if the substance changes.
We've previously gotten rulings that empathic healing can't fix lawbreaking in the caster, but it seems exactly like the thing to address damage caused to the victims of it. The council has a lot of magical expertise, but almost everyone they have is bad at the mind sphere on purpose.
A flight of high dot empathic healing psychics would legitimately be a huge help to them that they can't easily access on their own. Once they've got the feel for it we can encourage expansion in other ways eventually leading to the original plan.
One thing I'm interested in as part of this is potentially laundering Kemmler's work into lawful magic and getting the council to proactively solve their own problems.
We learned during that event that spirits for extinct species exist, can make deals, and have very clear desires. These desires don't necessarily require necromancy to fill even if it makes manipulating them easier. The council's ability to play this sort of game is limited because negotiations with big spirits can be very difficult for mortals to gamble on, but exalts are perfect for mediating that sort of thing.
As far as I see it the wizards need trustworthy, capable, and powerful support for key internal functions. The easiest option is us, but they won't want to become dependent on the FCF for everything. An interesting halfway step would be to see about negotiating agreements between them and spirits like the pigeon god, and potentially seeding the forms of new spirits to fill roles in that deal of it can't be achieved by other means.
The council largely has to deal with whatever powers spirits naturally have, and the most useful tend to have other loyalties. More custom tuned builds that aren't bound to someone else could be very useful for things like communications and combat support.
They'd still need us to get the ball rolling, but not to maintain it. Which would save us AP and them the stress of an infernal providing all your key infrastructure services.
We learned during that event that spirits for extinct species exist, can make deals, and have very clear desires. These desires don't necessarily require necromancy to fill even if it makes manipulating them easier. The council's ability to play this sort of game is limited because negotiations with big spirits can be very difficult for mortals to gamble on, but exalts are perfect for mediating that sort of thing.
As far as I see it the wizards need trustworthy, capable, and powerful support for key internal functions. The easiest option is us, but they won't want to become dependent on the FCF for everything. An interesting halfway step would be to see about negotiating agreements between them and spirits like the pigeon god, and potentially seeding the forms of new spirits to fill roles in that deal of it can't be achieved by other means.
The council largely has to deal with whatever powers spirits naturally have, and the most useful tend to have other loyalties. More custom tuned builds that aren't bound to someone else could be very useful for things like communications and combat support.
They'd still need us to get the ball rolling, but not to maintain it. Which would save us AP and them the stress of an infernal providing all your key infrastructure services.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Wouldn't they be coming to us? The Last station is right there and even has a magic train.
They're even slower than we are, and a predictable need to travel like that it very exploitable.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Maybe in the long run but in the short term we should use the charm we bought for the thing we bought it for I think.
FSB lasts one week per essence level, and there are a lot of victims. The wizards would have to cycle back to us on a predictable schedule in the middle of a war or we'd need to go to them.
Even setting that aside, the council is highly unlikely to allow that significant a percentage of their citizens to be answerable to us like that. Limited high value groups are already a lot to ask. More likely they'll go for a less effective and more trusted solutions if that's all we've got.
There are also uses which aren't available through our charms. Long range telepathic messenger pigeons for example.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
...I wish you bothered to voice your grievances with purchasing the charm before we did so with XP BronzeTongue. Your now arguing that we shouldn't be using the thing we last paid for even as a short term solution. I hope you can understand why that is frustrating but I'm not going to bother arguing it if you can't.
When the time comes to bring FSB up to the WC I'll be voting to do so.
There are two different issues that I think you're conflating here; the warlocks who are salvageable but need help and the people who were victims of mind magic based mental damage who weren't forced to commit black magic themselves. The former group is much smaller than the latter and therefore more manageable; it's also the group we voted to buy that charm to help.
For the record though I have made the argument about FSB being a hard political fight that probably needs to be a short term thing pretty consistently. The only new thing I'm arguing here is that hundreds to thousands of applications are not as feasible as tens to dozens.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Hundreds to thousands? It was around 40 people total.
They are both really the same issue. It's around 40 that were compromised. Your blowing it up a bit. There's no reason why they can't be covered in the short term if the WC were convinced. Which is why we should bring it up for this.
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@DragonParadox
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Im assuming that, since Molly had the time to go back to Sanctuary, she brought some of that drug that makes it harder for mages to cast. As an additional measures for disabling wizards.
And travel time to Edinburgh for Molly is seconds. And the people affected are, worst case, low hundreds.
The practical limitations of using FSB are manageable. The political ones are less predictable.
2) The White Council canonically has measures and experts for handling some mental damage.
They did so in canon:
Extra thought:
Im assuming that, since Molly had the time to go back to Sanctuary, she brought some of that drug that makes it harder for mages to cast. As an additional measures for disabling wizards.
1) FSB only requires seconds of application time.
And travel time to Edinburgh for Molly is seconds. And the people affected are, worst case, low hundreds.
The practical limitations of using FSB are manageable. The political ones are less predictable.
2) The White Council canonically has measures and experts for handling some mental damage.
They did so in canon:
Not everyone is going to require FSB.