Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] The best defense is a good offense, attack the Fallen and let the Wardens see to themselves (Melee Excellency)
-[X][Stunt]The Sword in your hand doesn't belong to God. It belongs to you. This you know with quiet certainly, but in this moment as you swing brightly glowing sword at the Fallen it is doing God's work.

Seems like a valid tactic as much as I like the idea of using MHM to strip him and take the coin.
 
We sword here while the dozen wizards here counterspell. Its by far the optimal method. We are just so so good at combat.
 
As you notice wizard's eyes following your hands, you explain[,] "Peabody's hair.
Should be "wizard eyes"; insert comma after "you explain[,]"
also teach you courtosy.
Should be "courtesy"
a hand he's weary of taking.
Should be "wary"
confussion, doubts and questions
Should be "confusion"
You do not shive the wizard
Should be "shove" unless Molly wants to shiv him lmao
with varrying bric-a-brac.
Should be "varying"
fixed to the ceeling
Should be "ceiling"
Should be "raising"
 
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[X] The best defense is a good offense, attack the Fallen and let the Wardens see to themselves (Melee Excellency)
-[X][Stunt]The Sword in your hand doesn't belong to God. It belongs to you. This you know with quiet certainly, but in this moment as you swing brightly glowing sword at the Fallen it is doing God's work.
 
Huh.
Despite all that he still almost beat Tiffany.
Elder wizard get. Should help with counterspells, at least; still waiting for the backup demon squad to pop out of the ether.
He turns around in the blink of an eye, rasing a boney hand as though asking for a pause in a game of cards while he goes to find more money to throw into the pot. "Ah, it seems you've caught me. I regret to inform you I shan't be going quietly. My look at all these wizards old and.... new alike."
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[X] The best defense is a good offense, attack the Fallen and let the Wardens see to themselves (Melee Excelency)
-[X]Tiffany: Pre-Buff on way here: Flesh 3: Personal Stamina to 10
-[X]Tiffany: Flesh 3: Buff Olivia's Dexterity
-[X]Olivia: Open fire
-[X]STUNT: You make an airy gesture at him with Dark Sun as your eyes case the room."Dont you worry about that." Between heartbeats you are in his face, the viridian light of your anima casting his face in green illumination as his eyes dilate. "Im sure, we can make an argument that you shouldnt be worrying so much about going quietly" your sword parts the air with transhuman grace, time and again."As to where you are going to. And what the price will be."
 
As an aside, worth noting that Heaven is aware of the crown and talking to them shouldn't cost the good guys any penalty points. A good Catholic hell dimension is allowed to pray after all.

Namshiel is almost certainly going to get away, but I at least am absolutely petty enough to advocate for screwing him over as completely as we can afterwards.

We should have a few foci on him from this, which I'd like to suggest we take home and use in front of Amoracchius and then pray about our answers out loud under the cover of the angelic guardians of the Carpenter home.

Questions like:

1) What information does Namshiel most fear Heaven learning?
2) What plots of Namshiel's is he seeing the most success with?
3) What secret would hurt Namshiel most to learn the truth of?
4) How might Namshiel be brought to Rise?

Whatever we can give Uriel that would haunt him down the ages even if Molly died right after sharing it.

I don't just want to violate his privacy - I want to post Namshiel's diary on the internet with mocking annotations before emailing an unredacted copy of his search history straight to his Dad.


Not perfect is a very different matter from not being acutely aware of the limits of his opponents.
If he knows enough to tell Molly that trying to imprison a Coin in Sanctuary will simply lead to her destruction, he has a firm enough grasp of the forces in play to warn about/against actually killing a Fallen.
We have WoG we can make a real attempt at it, I'm not going to take an absence of commentary from Uriel about a scenario he can't properly foresee as evidence that we're flat unable to if given an opportunity to MiM him. The trick is actually getting that chance.




Exalted are good at permakilling immortals.

But Infernals are probably the worst at it, their Charmsets are all about controlling, imprisoning or punishing gods, not murdering them.
Because the Charms ultimately come from the Yozi, who could not kill something on their own level, could not even imagine it being possible.

On the great scale of Killyness, Abyssals stand on top, followed by Solars, and the Infernal and non-Solaroid Exalted come pretty far behind those on the next places.
We still have a proper spirit killing in so far as those exist. I also think infernals may have a better claim to being able to put down big things permanently than the others even if they're less explicitly Killy.

On a narrative level the infernals were supposed to be subsumed into their patrons as a way to loophole them out of prison. The Yozi just didn't understand the human concept of identity well enough to realize nobody with the willpower to make it that far would willingly allow it to happen.

Primordials seem to be made out of something that can't just be destroyed. Even if you absolutely erase the pattern their essence contained the substance of them still echos with the act of willing itself from raw chaos and forms something else.

Solars are supernal humans, immensely powerful but fundamentally different beings.

Infernals however have the same mechanisms that allow the black feast ritual from the start of the quest to work baked in as part of the necessary action of their design goal. It seems much more plausible for them to take essence and force it to become more like them instead of pooling on the floor to become a Neverborn than any other type.

I'll admit this is speculative, but even if I'm wrong about most of this we still have the basic tools to make an attempt or will have them later.
[X] The best defense is a good offense, attack the Fallen and let the Wardens see to themselves (Melee Excellency)
-[X][Stunt]The Sword in your hand doesn't belong to God. It belongs to you. This you know with quiet certainly, but in this moment as you swing brightly glowing sword at the Fallen it is doing God's work.

Seems like a valid tactic as much as I like the idea of using MHM to strip him and take the coin.
E4 so we have full fat GSNF back. If we're sure it's him forcing him to spend resources to deal with 5 points of agg on top of our normal damage could be worthwhile.
 
As an aside, worth noting that Heaven is aware of the crown and talking to them shouldn't cost the good guys any penalty points. A good Catholic hell dimension is allowed to pray after all.

Namshiel is almost certainly going to get away, but I at least am absolutely petty enough to advocate for screwing him over as completely as we can afterwards.

We should have a few foci on him from this, which I'd like to suggest we take home and use in front of Amoracchius and then pray about our answers out loud under the cover of the angelic guardians of the Carpenter home.

Questions like:

1) What information does Namshiel most fear Heaven learning?
2) What plots of Namshiel's is he seeing the most success with?
3) What secret would hurt Namshiel most to learn the truth of?
4) How might Namshiel be brought to Rise?

Whatever we can give Uriel that would haunt him down the ages even if Molly died right after sharing it.

I don't just want to violate his privacy - I want to post Namshiel's diary on the internet with mocking annotations before emailing an unredacted copy of his search history straight to his Dad.



We have WoG we can make a real attempt at it, I'm not going to take an absence of commentary from Uriel about a scenario he can't properly foresee as evidence that we're flat unable to if given an opportunity to MiM him. The trick is actually getting that chance.





We still have a proper spirit killing in so far as those exist. I also think infernals may have a better claim to being able to put down big things permanently than the others even if they're less explicitly Killy.

On a narrative level the infernals were supposed to be subsumed into their patrons as a way to loophole them out of prison. The Yozi just didn't understand the human concept of identity well enough to realize nobody with the willpower to make it that far would willingly allow it to happen.

Primordials seem to be made out of something that can't just be destroyed. Even if you absolutely erase the pattern their essence contained the substance of them still echos with the act of willing itself from raw chaos and forms something else.

Solars are supernal humans, immensely powerful but fundamentally different beings.

Infernals however have the same mechanisms that allow the black feast ritual from the start of the quest to work baked in as part of the necessary action of their design goal. It seems much more plausible for them to take essence and force it to become more like them instead of pooling on the floor to become a Neverborn than any other type.

I'll admit this is speculative, but even if I'm wrong about most of this we still have the basic tools to make an attempt or will have them later.

E4 so we have full fat GSNF back. If we're sure it's him forcing him to spend resources to deal with 5 points of agg on top of our normal damage could be worthwhile.
Not at all sure its true here but isn't one of the base assumption of exalted vs wod that the neverborn and yozi are dead dead?
 
Not at all sure its true here but isn't one of the base assumption of exalted vs wod that the neverborn and yozi are dead dead?
They're dead, but they still existed at one point and their designs are relevant to how infernals work.

The big leap here is asserting that things like the white god and his angels are similar to primordials and their subsouls. Which is an assumption I feel pretty confident in since we had stuff like Tiffany originally being a subsoul of Lasciel before that got retconned.
 
I'm surprised Namshiel isn't laser-focusing on Tiffany and how Molly essentially mutilated a portion of Lasciel's soul into rebelling against her. This is the first time a Fallen Angel is meeting the Fallen Fallen Angels Molly can make, right?

I imagine he'd probably welcome death if the alternative was Molly doing to him what she did to Lasciel. Molly doesn't just beat her enemies up, she dishonors and disgraces them while t-posing.
 
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Since ATB and HSC were both turned on last vote can Molly sense the coin in the vicinity? What is she getting from this guy?

The coin as far as Molly knows would be bounded to him. As for what she's feeling, he is definitely a creature of darkness, but his aura is very controlled, probably as a consequence of his magical protections so she can't read his emotions. She rather suspects that the moment he starts casting that will change. One cannot put magic out there without a bit of feeling behind it.
 
Im now tempted to write an alternative stunt riffing on The Young Wizards and their usual greetings on encounters with the Lone Power.
Because I dont think my current stunt is really providing sufficient gravitas to meeting a Fallen Angel for the first time.

We have WoG we can make a real attempt at it, I'm not going to take an absence of commentary from Uriel about a scenario he can't properly foresee as evidence that we're flat unable to if given an opportunity to MiM him. The trick is actually getting that chance.
But this is neither the place nor the time for this argument.

I'm surprised Namshiel isn't laser-focusing on Tiffany and how Molly essentially mutilated a portion of Lasciel's soul into rebelling against her. This is the first time a Fallen Angel is meeting the Fallen Fallen Angels Molly can make, right?

I imagine he'd probably welcome death if the alternative was Molly doing to him what she did to Lasciel. Molly doesn't just beat her enemies up, she dishonors and disgraces them while t-posing.
Namshiel the Fallen Angel is not the same person as Lucian the host. We are talking to the host, not Namshiel.
And we dont actually know how this works from the PoV of a Fallen Angel; they arent Primordials, and even Primordials can and do lose sub-souls without any loss in power.

So, why not Eschaton Shintai (and finally establish SSC as the signature) and just go at it?
1) Because SSC as a signature charm is inferior to Splintered Gale Incarnation as a signature charm.
Action economy uber alles.

2) Because we still have Paris to deal with, and I expect we'll have to shintai there.

The coin as far as Molly knows would be bounded to him. As for what she's feeling, he is definitely a creature of darkness, but his aura is very controlled, probably as a consequence of his magical protections so she can't read his emotions. She rather suspects that the moment he starts casting that will change. One cannot put magic out there without a bit of feeling behind it.
I would frankly not expect to be able to sense the Coin, any Coin, while its bound to the bearer.
None of the Knights do either.
Sense that this person is carrying a Coin? Fair game. Sense where exactly the Coin is on their person? Nah.

If a Nephandus is able to contest Exalted Perception charms to shield its acolytes, a Fallen Angel should be able to hide the precise location of its Coin while its being carried by a mortal host.
 
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1) Because SSC as a signature charm is inferior to Splintered Gale Incarnation as a signature charm.
Action economy uber alles.

2) Because we still have Paris to deal with, and I expect we'll have to shintai there.
1) Your personal opinion is just your personal opinion. Passive -3 penalty (which I take it means -3 to all roll values against us) is much better than Splintered Gale Incarnation, which, again for the hundredth time, doesn't do what you keep insisting it does. And is rendered obsolete with Proxy Minion Protocol charm from Fivefold Courts

2) No, we do not. By the time we get to Paris, the situation will be resolved one way or another. And if not, it's more appropriate to use it here, against the Fallen. That's basically the boss encounter. Even the presence of the Hollow Man in Paris, if it happens, would be a lesser threat.
 
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