Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The White Council made the grievous error of assuming Molly only causes trouble when she visits other places, and so Carlos thought he was okay with visiting Molly with the trainee Wardens.

I imagine after this incident, where a friendly spar escalated into Outsider infiltration/Wizard War Kemmler: Peabody Edition, many wizards will be nervous about just interacting with Molly, for fear of getting pulled into another global catastrophe that threatens the supernatural balance of power and/or the apocalypse.
 
My thought wasn't that the black council was using it, but rather that we'd frame it as a traitor looking for leverage over other traitors. Hence the security; our hypothetical target would be profiling co conspirators to find weak points to exploit for internal political gain. If you're hiding things from two different groups of wizards a computer starts to look a lot better as a storage medium.

I expect more scrutiny on us when we're naming names as traitors to the council and reality at large. Especially since this event heavily implies a timeline on our knowledge. It's not accurate, but it still points them towards making the right assumptions about us.
Too complicated IMO for a conspiracy of wizards.

A wizard traitor looking to backstab his co-conspirators would write out the names, look at them with the Sight to burn it into memory, and then burn the physical copy. Which makes a completely secure backup.
And thats just the first option I could think of; there's probably more.


Furthermore, note that its entirely plausible in the Dresdenverse, even expected, for someone of power and influnce to simply dump nuggets of information on you without explanation of their source.
For example, see how Proven Guilty started:
I nodded, still without looking up at him. I hated being bullied into anything, but I didn't get the vibe that Ebenezar was making an effort to maneuver me into a corner. He was asking a favor. I might well help myself by doing him the favor, but he wasn't going to bring anything onto my head if I turned him down. It wasn't his style.
I met his eyes and nodded. "Okay."
He exhaled slowly and nodded back, silent thanks in his expression. "Oh. One other thing," he said, and passed me an envelope.
"What's this?"
"I don't know," he answered. "The Gatekeeper asked me to give it to you." The Gatekeeper. He was the quietest of the wizards on the Senior Council, and even the Merlin showed him plenty of respect. He was taller than me, which is saying something, and he stayed out of most of the partisan politics of the Senior Council, which says even more. He knew things he shouldn't be able to know-more so than most wizards, I mean-and as far as I could tell, he'd never been anything but straight with me.
I opened the envelope. A single piece of paper was inside. Letters in a precise, flowing hand read:
Dresden,
In the past ten days there have been repeated acts of black magic in Chicago. As the senior Warden in the region, it falls to you to investigate and find those responsible. In my opinion, it is vital that you do so immediately. To my knowledge, no one else is aware of the situation.
Rashid
I rubbed at my eyes. Great. More black magic in Chicago. If it wasn't some raving, psychotic, black-hatted bad guy, it was probably another kid like the one who'd died a few minutes ago. There wasn't a whole lot of in-between.
I was hoping for the murderous madman-sorry, political correction; madperson. I could deal with those. I'd had practice.
I didn't think I could handle the other.
I put the letter back in the envelope, thinking. This was between the Gatekeeper and me, presumably. He hadn't asked me publicly, or told Ebenezar what was going on, which meant that I was free to decide how to handle this one. If the Merlin knew about this and officially gave me the assignment, he'd make damned sure I didn't have much of a choice in how to handle it-and I'd have to do the whole thing under a microscope.
The Gatekeeper had trusted me to handle whatever was wrong. That was almost worse. Man.
Sometimes I get tired of being the guy who is supposed to deal with un-deal-withable situations.
I looked up to find Ebenezar squinting at me. The expression made his face a mass of wrinkles. "What?" I asked.
"You get a haircut or something, Hoss?"
"Uh, nothing new. Why?"
"You look…" The old wizard's voice trailed off thoughtfully. "Different."

We saw much the same thing in this quest, when Lara passed Lydia that note about Winter
"She slipped me this when we shook hands." your friend says, but you can hardly hear her given the gravity of the message.

Winter will seek your aid in a conflict of universal import, but there have been signs of theirmanipulation by the enemy. Any shift in the status quo might be their work, causing more harm than good. Make no bargains with Mab if you value your life, your sanity or our soul. This is no a war for neophytes, no matter how much power one may hold.

Burn this note
She didnt reveal her sources, and we didnt ask her to.
 
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I dont think thats accurate.

To my recollection, he uses magical inks to influence the White Council in general and the Senior Council in particular; his position as a senior clerk allowed him to get people to sign shit.
Harry's distaste for documents and signing shit, as well as his general distance from Edinburgh kept him safe.

But we are never told exactly how he installed his controls in people.
Ink is probably the safe bet, but its never stated.
The ink was the proof he was actually doing it, just having all the ingredients in it that it did was considered damning evidence by everyone in the room when it was revealed.
That entire thing suggests that they needed external help to go in and clear everything out
Not that it resolved itself once it was exposed
This one I was wrong about, I think I was mixing up the part where Harry mentioned that the forced pause could only delay the Wardens for so long just prior to Peabody's escape attempt.
A wizard traitor looking to backstab his co-conspirators would write out the names, look at them with the Sight to burn it into memory, and then burn the physical copy. Which makes a completely secure backup.
And thats just the first option I could think of; there's probably more.
Wizards really don't like screwing around with the Sight. The guys who do that tend to go nuts. This particular use would be fine, but there's a cultural inertia to it.

If the conceit is that all we got from a larger data set was names there's potentially more to work with.

The general point is not to be foolproof, but to be plausible and point somewhere other than admitting what we're doing.

Yog's original plan called for sharing the list on the basis that we figured it out by looking at Tina's bindings.

The crown is a perfect effect that allows us to follow associative links to answer any question related to a foci. The implication of our claim here with the names would be that we took one look at someone's magic, followed it back to them, followed that to their patron, then forced our way down stream from whatever the hell their Outsider patron is to pick out other traitors. Who conveniently we have names for and not just aura prints, voices, or faces.

A diviner would have to do a lot of time consuming shit to start this and then follow up with mundane investigation to close the deal. We're not using mortal magic, we're basically telling them we have an unconventional thaumaturgical effect that can do third order searches past multiple layers of Outsider bullshit and whatever the warlocks are doing to defend themselves.

Which I contend it basically telling them about the crown because the only thing being obscured is the degree to which it is good at piercing defenses. If they put any thought into this at all the conclusions are either that we lied about when we noticed the problem or something like the above ability exists.

In reality both are true, but with how haphazard this is going to be I don't think the scale will lean towards this being a plot on our end.

We aren't Lara or the Gatekeeper. The former has several possible vectors and enough lead time to make it hard to guess more than the generalities of her sources. The latter is a senior council member and trusted authority.

I don't think the way Dresden treats them is how the Council will treat us, and if they did it seems overly optimistic to conclude that they won't make basic inferences about what we did.

The tech explanation is unusual, but it's far less crazy sounding than the alternative. It plays to their biases and areas of ignorance instead of putting basic puzzle pieces from a subject they understand directly in their hands.
 
18th February is a Sunday. So our clones should be free.
Nemesis, at least, knows that Molly can exorcise external influences, so its not a huge secret to worry about Sapphire Circle Exorcism being outed
We have a bunch of clones in Chicago. Use them.
There's something currently looking out of Carlos' eyes; OOC, thats what is signified by the ??? Perception roll.
Our clones telepathy has a range measured in tens of miles. They can talk to anyone in the Chicago area without necessarily moving from their chair.


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[X]Plan Attack of the Clones
-[X]Pods: Brief Harry + Lash. Talk to Bob about mind control magic. Use Pain Chain on Carlos and subverted trainees
-[X]Sophia: Brief Lydia. Summon Maeve at Lydia's place, and ask her to get Ebenezar and/or the Gatekeeper to Last Station
-[X]Sophia: Prep to use Break The Bonds on Carlos if necessary
-[X]Have Carlos call Morgan to show up at Last Station
-[X]Crown question: Carlos Warden Sword: By what means is the conspiracy subverting Council members?
 
There's something currently looking out of Carlos' eyes; OOC, thats what is signified by the ??? Perception roll.
Our clones telepathy has a range measured in tens of miles. They can talk to anyone in the Chicago area without necessarily moving from their chair.
I had forgotten about that. So we are being watched right now even and since this is the only plan that accounts for active enemy observation..

[X]Plan Attack of the Clones
 
Wizards really don't like screwing around with the Sight. The guys who do that tend to go nuts. This particular use would be fine, but there's a cultural inertia to it.
Normal wizards dont. Or at least Harry doesnt
Anyone fucking with Outsiders isnt a normal wizard, and doesnt consider themselves bound by normal rules and customs.

The crown is a perfect effect that allows us to follow associative links to answer any question related to a foci. The implication of our claim here with the names would be that we took one look at someone's magic, followed it back to them, followed that to their patron, then forced our way down stream from whatever the hell their Outsider patron is to pick out other traitors. Who conveniently we have names for and not just aura prints, voices, or faces.
Not really.

You had a prophetic vision/premonition like wizards get with regards to people and locations important to them as they get older. You can see alternative timelines like the Gatekeeper sometimes appears to. An atemporal spirit whispered in your ear. The elemental dragon of Chicago noticed something when the kids entered the Dragons Nest.

Thats at least four different sources that exist in-universe.
All of which are more common, and more plausible, than the Crown's perfect scrying.
We aren't Lara or the Gatekeeper. The former has several possible vectors and enough lead time to make it hard to guess more than the generalities of her sources. The latter is a senior council member and trusted authority.

I don't think the way Dresden treats them is how the Council will treat us, and if they did it seems overly optimistic to conclude that they won't make basic inferences about what we did.
The tech explanation is unusual, but it's far less crazy sounding than the alternative. It plays to their biases and areas of ignorance instead of putting basic puzzle pieces from a subject they understand directly in their hands.
I dont really agree.
But I dont think its worth arguing about now.
 
Normal wizards dont. Or at least Harry doesnt
Anyone fucking with Outsiders isnt a normal wizard, and doesnt consider themselves bound by normal rules and customs.
This is a fire safety thing; they aren't burning down their own homes or going unproductively insane so they're probably not breaking taboos like this one.

Not really.

You had a prophetic vision/premonition like wizards get with regards to people and locations important to them as they get older. You can see alternative timelines like the Gatekeeper sometimes appears to. An atemporal spirit whispered in your ear. The elemental dragon of Chicago noticed something when the kids entered the Dragons Nest.

Thats at least four different sources that exist in-universe.
All of which are more common, and more plausible, than the Crown's perfect scrying.
Molly has a list of names covering people all over the world and it's really obvious that we didn't do a summoning to get it. Atemporal spirits exist, but if they could do this sort of high fidelity instant global evaluation the setting would look very different. Porter isn't a reasonable source for this; even if he had intellectus over all of Chicago he couldn't tell us anything about Peabody or any other name on our list. Which is why Dresden didn't solve all his problems by asking Demonreach to play 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon with his opposition.

None of this matters though, because the mechanism isn't as important as the results. If you can look at one person and instantly learn the names of the people associated with the one who cast a spell on them then you're clearly pulling some sort of bullshit. The black box of that bullshit looks a lot like the crown.

I dont really agree.
But I dont think its worth arguing about now
My particular alternative isn't necessarily the best option, but operating on the basis that the council won't exercise basic pattern recognition and infer things from the time table we're showing them is foolish. Especially if they're going to bet the lives of huge numbers of wizards on us.
-[X]Crown question: Carlos Warden Sword: By what means is the conspiracy subverting Council members?
At Morgan's trial, Dresden accuses Peabody of being the real murderer who framed Morgan, manipulated the younger Wardens and subtly influenced the minds of the Senior Council. Ebenezar McCoy and Carlos Ramirez searched his rooms and found that the inks he used to gain signatures contained alchemical substances that allowed Peabody to manipulate persons to do his bidding.[8]
Cite.

IC this is forensically interesting but not terribly relevant right now.
 
This is a fire safety thing; they aren't burning down their own homes or going unproductively insane so they're probably not breaking taboos like this one.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here.

Molly has a list of names covering people all over the world and it's really obvious that we didn't do a summoning to get it. Atemporal spirits exist, but if they could do this sort of high fidelity instant global evaluation the setting would look very different. Porter isn't a reasonable source for this; even if he had intellectus over all of Chicago he couldn't tell us anything about Peabody or any other name on our list. Which is why Dresden didn't solve all his problems by asking Demonreach to play 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon with his opposition.

None of this matters though, because the mechanism isn't as important as the results. If you can look at one person and instantly learn the names of the people associated with the one who cast a spell on them then you're clearly pulling some sort of bullshit. The black box of that bullshit looks a lot like the crown.
Molly has clones/doppelgangers who can act in her name.
And given as she's Queen of a Hell, she might not summon as wizards do. Not for spirits she has a relationship with.
They're not going to assume she's limited to how wizards do things.


Atemporal spirits do not work for free.
You consult those who have a price you are willing and capable of paying. All that says is Molly can pay the price, or has a relationship where the price is negligible. And given as she has an entire Hell with an ecosystem of spirits...


They dont know what Porter is capable of, given as he only just became the elemental dragon of Chicago.


Note:
I told her about my experience on the island, and the eerie sense of familiarity that had come with it.
"Oh, that," Anastasia said. "Your Sight's coming in. That's all."
I blinked at her. "Uh. What?"
"The Sight," she replied calmly. "Every wizard develops some measure of precognizance as he matures. It sounds to me as if yours has begun to stir, and has recognized a place that may be of significance to you in the future."
"This happens to everyone?" I said, incredulous.
"To every wizard," she said, smiling. "Yes."
"Then why have I never heard about it?" I demanded.

"Because young wizards who are anticipating the arrival of their Sight have an appalling tendency to ignore uncomfortable truths by labeling more appealing fantasies revelations of their Sight. Everything they care about turns into a prophecy. It's vastly irritating, and the best way to avoid it is to keep it quiet until a young wizard finds out about it for himself."
I mulled over that idea for a few moments. "Significant to my future, eh?"
"Potentially," she replied quietly, nodding. "One must proceed with extreme caution when acting upon any kind of precognizant information, of course-but in this case, it seems clear that there is more to that island than meets the eye. If it were me, I'd look into it-cautiously."
Wizards are more than familiar with the idea of someone receiving precognizant information because its something that happens to ALL wizards when they grow older.

IC this is forensically interesting but not terribly relevant right now.
Yes I know that OOC.

The relevance is that Molly doesnt know how the victims are being subverted IC. Is it a spirit? Is it drugs? Is it eye contact the way a White Court noble might do it? Is it an enchanted object that touches them, the way Lea was Nfested in canon? We cant assume that detail remains the same, given as the mind control package appears to be upgraded from canon.

Her approach is going to be very different depending on whether Peabody requires preptime and reagents, or can just Dominate people in his presence with a snap of his fingers.
 
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"Subversive enchantments" specifically refers to their mental tampering being discovered rather than them being outed entirely which may have a different response. So this is the source of my concern on the wording-
But that's exactly what I am going for? We don't know if they know that they have been discovered. I am trying to find out what their contingencies (pre-cast magic, reaction plans, etc) are for when their subversive magic is discovered. Because that's what happened. Unless you are positing that they know the question we asked, and the answer we got with the crown, as far as they know, if they even know that (which I am checking for) we only discovered the magic in Tina.
Molly's anima power works if she's being observed by someone, I don't think a recording spell would actually set that off. Molly even referred to it as the viewer getting a report on how we fight and not attempting to get one.
True, and a good point. But, as @Goldfish mentioned, an implanted observer spirit coming out of torpor to observe what's happening also fits the bill.
Okay, so we can assume that everything we told or talked to Carlos about when we took him to Sanctuary has been revealed to the Ashraaf conspiracy. I think Carlos was clean when we first took him to Sanctuary with Morgan and the Asian lady. So if he's compromised now, it means he got whammied sometime recently.
We can prepare for that, but not assume it. Not all subversions are identical, and not all subversions give them perfect access to all the knowledge of the subverted mage.

[X]Plan Attack of the Clones
Why are you drastically underutilizing the crown? We know way too little to act rashly. Also, does Carlos even have a sword. We were told he has a magic glove as a focus, but no more information is available.

Also, why not call Odin? We rather need to get in contact with Merlin or Gate Keeper or other senior council members.

Finally, a reminder - response time for Ebeneezer and Morgan ranges from several hours to several days if contacted by Harry
 
But that's exactly what I am going for?
Your misunderstanding me somehow. This is what I asked earlier -
Why ask for 24 hours instead of plans in general? That way we could get any former plans before this incident
Then I elaborated further. I'll state again though that I believe we need plans in general not just for a specific scenario.

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We can prepare for that, but not assume it. Not all subversions are identical, and not all subversions give them perfect access to all the knowledge of the subverted mage.
Also did you see Uju's comment regarding the roll? Someone is watching us as we speak.
 
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Your misunderstanding me somehow. This is what I asked earlier -
Then I elaborated further. I'll state again though that I believe we need plans in general not just for a specific scenario.
I think there is a misunderstanding here, yes. I am asking for the next 24 hours because
a) This narrows the question which should improve the amount of detail
b) The plans beyond 24 hours are not relevant right now - we'll get more foci later in the course of the next 24 hours
c) The contingency question covers plans that stretch beyond 24 hours - because in the next 24 hours we are sure to act, and that would disrupt all their non-contingency plans.

Essentially, I am asking the following:
1) What happens (is planned to happen) if magic they cast is discovered? This includes both magically triggered alarms and their plan of action
2) If they have magical alarms / know when the magic is discovered, then I am asking "what are they doing right now?", as in "how are they implementing their contingencies in the current situation".
3) If they don't have magical alarms, and don't automatically know when their magic is discovered, I ask "what are the planning to do for the next 24 hours?", ie "what are they going to be doing up to the moment we are guaranteed to engage"
Also did you not see Uju's comment regarding the roll? Someone is watching us as we speak.
Yes, I missed it, but it doesn't mean that it's something that transmits information. Again, possession by spirits is a perfectly valid mechanism to do this. So, this could be the spirit rider inside Carlos's mind.
 
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I think there is a misunderstanding here, yes. I am asking for the next 24 hours because
Yeah, nevermind. This was some level of miscommunication, I get what your saying.

Yes, I missed it, but it doesn't mean that it's something that transmits information. Again, possession by spirits is a perfectly valid mechanism to do this. So, this could be the spirit rider inside Carlos's mind.
What makes you think that's more likely than it being something else when so far we have signs of Outsider involvement and not spirits?
 
What makes you think that's more likely than it being something else when so far we have signs of Outsider involvement and not spirits?
It's possible that the outsider is directly looking right now, yes. If this is the case, then we can be sure that the time for secrecy has passed, because Outsider watching through someone's eyes would absolutely be detected by Gate Keeper, which would provoke a very thorough investigation.

I think that centuries old conspiracy which seems to be very risk averse wouldn't default to methods that result in having to go loud or abandon the whole operation in the event of a small part of it being discovered. I might be very wrong though, yes.

Still, I was responding to Uju, when he said that we have to assume that all information about Sanctuary Carlos has, the enemies have too. We don't know that, which is exactly why I am asking about the full detail about magic cast on him. We need to know that.
 
After looking back over them, switching vote. I would prefer to use telepathy though.
[X] Plan All Aboard, part 2
Adhoc vote count started by BoredMan on Aug 19, 2024 at 9:56 AM, finished with 125 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Plan All Aboard, part 2
    -[X] Asking Questions
    --[X] Using the compromised trainee wardens, ask questions
    ---[X] What are the conspiracy's contingencies triggered by someone discovering their subversive enchantments?
    ----[X] If the members of the conspiracy cannot sense their magic being found: What are their plans for the next 24 hours?
    ----[X] If they can sense their magic being found: what are they doing right now?
    ---[X] Where are the members of conspiracy located?
    --[X] Using Carlos's glove as a focus, learn full details of how exactly he is subverted, including if the person who subverted him can sense the subversion breaking
    ---[X] If it's safe to do so, both for him and for operational security, get one of your other selves to try to break the enchantment, it is less through than an exorcism, but it's faster (Gift: Break the Bonds)
    ---[X] If it's not safe, but it's safe to take him to Sanctuary, get him to Sanctuary and have one of your other selves try to break the enchantment (Gift: Break the Bonds) .
    ---[X] If it's not safe to either purge the subversion or to take him to Sanctuary, use Subterfuge excellency to take Carlos out of the loop - get him to defend the baby wizards and make a switch with one of your copies to go take care of the situation
    -[X] Make some calls
    --[X] Contact Harry
    ---[X] Brief him fully
    ---[X] Ask him to contact Ebeneezer, Morgan, and whoever else he thinks is needed and he can contact correctly.
    ---[X] Ask him to brief Tiffany
    --[X] Call Monoc Securities. You need an immediate covert line of communication to Merlin or Gate Keeper. They should have one.
    ---[X] Mention that it's an Outsider plot about to blow up in all your faces
    ---[X] If they don't have a way to get in contact very quickly, call Maeve
    --[X] Call Lydia
    ---[X] Fully brief her
    ---[X] Ask her to get to Arawn's castle. Arthur's knights are a serious force that can help, and it's located in Britain, so that potentially shortens the dispatch time.
    ----[X] Have her set some audio system to play your music so you can travel from Sanctuary to her on short notice
    --[X] Call Olivia, have her prepare for combat
    -[X] Issue orders
    --[X] To Jade Dogs and Porter: keep themselves and trainee wizards safe
    --[X] To your machine spirits - start digging into identities of the conspirators, get as much information on them as possible, prepare to block their mundane assets from being accessed as needed.
    -[X] If it's safe to do so, from all perspectives, have one of your other selves break the enchantments on trainee wardens.
    [X]Plan Attack of the Clones
    -[X]Pods: Brief Harry + Lash. Talk to Bob about mind control magic. Use Pain Chain on Carlos and subverted trainees
    -[X]Sophia: Brief Lydia. Summon Maeve at Lydia's place, and ask her to get Ebenezar and/or the Gatekeeper to Last Station
    -[X]Sophia: Prep to use Break The Bonds on Carlos if necessary
    -[X]Have Carlos call Morgan to show up at Last Station
    -[X]Crown question: Carlos Warden Sword: By what means is the conspiracy subverting Council members?
    [x] Mab Mab Mab
    -[x] "That" you say to Carlos. Then you intone Mab's name three times with all the authority of an empress asking a peer for help.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 19, 2024 at 11:15 AM, finished with 129 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Plan All Aboard, part 2
    -[X] Asking Questions
    --[X] Using the compromised trainee wardens, ask questions
    ---[X] What are the conspiracy's contingencies triggered by someone discovering their subversive enchantments?
    ----[X] If the members of the conspiracy cannot sense their magic being found: What are their plans for the next 24 hours?
    ----[X] If they can sense their magic being found: what are they doing right now?
    ---[X] Where are the members of conspiracy located?
    --[X] Using Carlos's glove as a focus, learn full details of how exactly he is subverted, including if the person who subverted him can sense the subversion breaking
    ---[X] If it's safe to do so, both for him and for operational security, get one of your other selves to try to break the enchantment, it is less through than an exorcism, but it's faster (Gift: Break the Bonds)
    ---[X] If it's not safe, but it's safe to take him to Sanctuary, get him to Sanctuary and have one of your other selves try to break the enchantment (Gift: Break the Bonds) .
    ---[X] If it's not safe to either purge the subversion or to take him to Sanctuary, use Subterfuge excellency to take Carlos out of the loop - get him to defend the baby wizards and make a switch with one of your copies to go take care of the situation
    -[X] Make some calls
    --[X] Contact Harry
    ---[X] Brief him fully
    ---[X] Ask him to contact Ebeneezer, Morgan, and whoever else he thinks is needed and he can contact correctly.
    ---[X] Ask him to brief Tiffany
    --[X] Call Monoc Securities. You need an immediate covert line of communication to Merlin or Gate Keeper. They should have one.
    ---[X] Mention that it's an Outsider plot about to blow up in all your faces
    ---[X] If they don't have a way to get in contact very quickly, call Maeve
    --[X] Call Lydia
    ---[X] Fully brief her
    ---[X] Ask her to get to Arawn's castle. Arthur's knights are a serious force that can help, and it's located in Britain, so that potentially shortens the dispatch time.
    ----[X] Have her set some audio system to play your music so you can travel from Sanctuary to her on short notice
    --[X] Call Olivia, have her prepare for combat
    -[X] Issue orders
    --[X] To Jade Dogs and Porter: keep themselves and trainee wizards safe
    --[X] To your machine spirits - start digging into identities of the conspirators, get as much information on them as possible, prepare to block their mundane assets from being accessed as needed.
    -[X] If it's safe to do so, from all perspectives, have one of your other selves break the enchantments on trainee wardens.
    [X]Plan Attack of the Clones
    -[X]Pods: Brief Harry + Lash. Talk to Bob about mind control magic. Use Pain Chain on Carlos and subverted trainees
    -[X]Sophia: Brief Lydia. Summon Maeve at Lydia's place, and ask her to get Ebenezar and/or the Gatekeeper to Last Station
    -[X]Sophia: Prep to use Break The Bonds on Carlos if necessary
    -[X]Have Carlos call Morgan to show up at Last Station
    -[X]Crown question: Carlos Warden Sword: By what means is the conspiracy subverting Council members?
    [x] Mab Mab Mab
    -[x] "That" you say to Carlos. Then you intone Mab's name three times with all the authority of an empress asking a peer for help.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 19, 2024 at 11:15 AM, finished with 129 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Plan All Aboard, part 2
    -[X] Asking Questions
    --[X] Using the compromised trainee wardens, ask questions
    ---[X] What are the conspiracy's contingencies triggered by someone discovering their subversive enchantments?
    ----[X] If the members of the conspiracy cannot sense their magic being found: What are their plans for the next 24 hours?
    ----[X] If they can sense their magic being found: what are they doing right now?
    ---[X] Where are the members of conspiracy located?
    --[X] Using Carlos's glove as a focus, learn full details of how exactly he is subverted, including if the person who subverted him can sense the subversion breaking
    ---[X] If it's safe to do so, both for him and for operational security, get one of your other selves to try to break the enchantment, it is less through than an exorcism, but it's faster (Gift: Break the Bonds)
    ---[X] If it's not safe, but it's safe to take him to Sanctuary, get him to Sanctuary and have one of your other selves try to break the enchantment (Gift: Break the Bonds) .
    ---[X] If it's not safe to either purge the subversion or to take him to Sanctuary, use Subterfuge excellency to take Carlos out of the loop - get him to defend the baby wizards and make a switch with one of your copies to go take care of the situation
    -[X] Make some calls
    --[X] Contact Harry
    ---[X] Brief him fully
    ---[X] Ask him to contact Ebeneezer, Morgan, and whoever else he thinks is needed and he can contact correctly.
    ---[X] Ask him to brief Tiffany
    --[X] Call Monoc Securities. You need an immediate covert line of communication to Merlin or Gate Keeper. They should have one.
    ---[X] Mention that it's an Outsider plot about to blow up in all your faces
    ---[X] If they don't have a way to get in contact very quickly, call Maeve
    --[X] Call Lydia
    ---[X] Fully brief her
    ---[X] Ask her to get to Arawn's castle. Arthur's knights are a serious force that can help, and it's located in Britain, so that potentially shortens the dispatch time.
    ----[X] Have her set some audio system to play your music so you can travel from Sanctuary to her on short notice
    --[X] Call Olivia, have her prepare for combat
    -[X] Issue orders
    --[X] To Jade Dogs and Porter: keep themselves and trainee wizards safe
    --[X] To your machine spirits - start digging into identities of the conspirators, get as much information on them as possible, prepare to block their mundane assets from being accessed as needed.
    -[X] If it's safe to do so, from all perspectives, have one of your other selves break the enchantments on trainee wardens.
    [X]Plan Attack of the Clones
    -[X]Pods: Brief Harry + Lash. Talk to Bob about mind control magic. Use Pain Chain on Carlos and subverted trainees
    -[X]Sophia: Brief Lydia. Summon Maeve at Lydia's place, and ask her to get Ebenezar and/or the Gatekeeper to Last Station
    -[X]Sophia: Prep to use Break The Bonds on Carlos if necessary
    -[X]Have Carlos call Morgan to show up at Last Station
    -[X]Crown question: Carlos Warden Sword: By what means is the conspiracy subverting Council members?
    [x] Mab Mab Mab
    -[x] "That" you say to Carlos. Then you intone Mab's name three times with all the authority of an empress asking a peer for help.
@DragonParadox would this be a reasonable amendment:
I can put that in, no problem. What communications should be made telepathic?
Things within Chicago so; the call to Harry, brief Tiffany with it (I believe she's in Chicago), Lydia, and Olivia. So our party basically.
I have no issues with it, from my perspective it's a cosmetic change.
 
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