Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Realization: we can ask the Crown using spirits as focus and save a question from the jade/scene

edit: ignore that, reading is hard in a hurry on the phone.

[X] Try to talk the spirits down
-[X] Use the Crown on one of the spirits to learn the password / secret handshake
-[X] Give them the password / secret handshake
--[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol if needed
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Make excuse for Harry not knowing the password
 
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[X] Try to talk the spirits down
-[X} Use the Crown on one of the spirits to learn the password / secret handshake
-[X] Give them the password / secret handshake
--[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol if needed
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Make excuse for Harry not knowing the password
 
Whomever was responsible for this doesn't want their trade secrets getting out enough so that they're willing to kill Wizards over it. So probably a Warlock.. then again lots of Wizards are grade A assholes and this sort of thing shouldn't count as breaking the Law against killing humans.

Harry Perception vs Guardian Stealth... I was not expecting him to make this.
Thankfully even if Harry had failed the roll a surprise attack wouldn't have worked anyway since Molly is here.

[X] Try to talk the spirits down
-[X] Use the Crown on one of the spirits to learn the password / secret handshake
-[X] Give them the password / secret handshake
--[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol if needed
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Make excuse for Harry not knowing the password
 
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It's easier / much more feasible to build on top of the murder-optimized abyssal than on top of an infernal, if we want to kill a Fallen.

And it's unfeasible that the shards will remain untouched for a year. It's better we seize control of them than they are left to chance. But that's a separate, much discussed topic.
I don't agree on the timeline thing for reasons already covered, and still maintain it'll make the game worse to pop them before we have to in any case.

I see what you mean about the Abyssal spec, but I think it's less relevant in this case. Primarily because while I think killing the fallen is possible for an exalt, it's the kind of thing that requires being an E5 monster who works the system in their favor and has significant investment in external sources of power to make it work. This is one of those above and beyond feats that doesn't just happen because you're powerful and picked a fight.

So much work is required by someone with Molly's sort of build to get that final mile to happen that I'm not convinced diverting resources is more effective than investing them in everything else we've got to do here.

I mean an E5 Abyssal is definitely better at killing immortals than your average E5 Infernal, but these are not regular immortals. By the time either exalt's abilities can be brought to bear directly the target must be rendered vulnerable enough that either could do it.

I also don't want to feed that exp/achievement to another exalt first. If this does end up being enough to break to E6 then I want Molly to be the one doing it.
The only question is who gets to wield the abyssal shard. Depending on his condition, Arthur might work, I think. If not him, I think we could find some heroic WW2 veteran on the verge of dying. Not sure if there's any canon character that fits for the role.
He's a fire caste Dragonblooded, Arthur definitely can't take a celestial exaltation.
 
He was in first life.

Dying always severs the Exaltation, as far as I understand it.
His body never fully died, that strikes me as a significant component for this sort of thing.

I think the idea we can pick who exalts is ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed under any circumstances whatsoever, but if it was and Arthur is mortal again then he'd be totally useless to us. Why the hell would we give him power?
 
[X] Try to talk the spirits down
-[X] Use the Crown on one of the spirits to learn the password / secret handshake
-[X] Give them the password / secret handshake
--[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol if needed
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Make excuse for Harry not knowing the password
 
His body never fully died, that strikes me as a significant component for this sort of thing.

I think the idea we can pick who exalts is ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed under any circumstances whatsoever, but if it was and Arthur is mortal again then he'd be totally useless to us. Why the hell would we give him power?
Oh, I don't believe that we can direct Exaltations either.

I was just making the technical point that Arthur having been dead might free him up for a new one.
 
I think the idea we can pick who exalts is ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed under any circumstances whatsoever, but if it was and Arthur is mortal again then he'd be totally useless to us. Why the hell would we give him power?
Oh, I don't believe that we can direct Exaltations either.

I was just making the technical point that Arthur having been dead might free him up for a new one.
I completely agree with the Arthur point but I do feel the need to delineate this because you keep saying we try to pick who the exaltation exalts that's not actually true it's creating favorable circumstances and then letting it pick it's weighing the odds rather than directing it to whoever we say it goes to which is a canonical thing that just does happen it's not even a question that that happens it's just the truth. The Yozi the Deathlords the Sidereals and debatably the Dragonblooded also do that it is just a phenomenon that exists. Uriel literally does it in this Quest. Also Alchemicals are literally picked like straight up it's from a upstanding reincarnation but it's literally picking a soul and exalting them by mortal hands. We also exalted Lydia functionally speaking using her own and her father's divinity.
 
I completely agree with the Arthur point but I do feel the need to delineate this because you keep saying we try to pick who the exaltation exalts that's not actually true it's creating favorable circumstances and then letting it pick it's weighing the odds rather than directing it to whoever we say it goes to which is a canonical thing that just does happen it's not even a question that that happens it's just the truth. The Yozi the Deathlords the Sidereals and debatably the Dragonblooded also do that it is just a phenomenon that exists. Uriel literally does it in this Quest. Also Alchemicals are literally picked like straight up it's from a upstanding reincarnation but it's literally picking a soul and exalting them by mortal hands. We also exalted Lydia functionally speaking using her own and her father's divinity.
We didn't exalt Lydia, and Alchemicals/Dragonblooded are a sort of special case. The alchemicals do get picked, but the guy who invented the idea in the first place designed him that way. Dragonbloods aren't guaranteed to exalt, but their propagation mechanism is also from a collaboration with another primordial and designed to do that.

The other exalts are very much not; the opposite is in fact the case because the gods couldn't resist primordial orders.

For their entire history multiple people tried to direct exaltations and the best they got is changing the selection criteria before letting them run around on their own. If biasing it like this worked reliably then the history of how everyone ever interacted with them would be very different. The occasional fluke appearing to work doesn't require everyone between the age of legends and now to be an idiot, while the reverse does.
 
The other exalts are very much not; the opposite is in fact the case because the gods couldn't resist primordial orders.
Abyssals were directly selected by Deathlords. Infernal selection had a strong degree of control. Solar exaltations could be predicted, and if you can predict something, you can control ot to a degree by manipulating fate. It's arguable that Sol directly selects Zeniths.

Gods couldn't control exalted, that's the point. Not being able to select who exalts wasn't, as far as I recall. I'll look for quotes. Because I think this is a persistent misconception, but I'll need to back my words with quotes.
 
We didn't exalt Lydia, and Alchemicals/Dragonblooded are a sort of special case. The alchemicals do get picked, but the guy who invented the idea in the first place designed him that way. Dragonbloods aren't guaranteed to exalt, but their propagation mechanism is also from a collaboration with another primordial and designed to do that.

The other exalts are very much not; the opposite is in fact the case because the gods couldn't resist primordial orders.

For their entire history multiple people tried to direct exaltations and the best they got is changing the selection criteria before letting them run around on their own. If biasing it like this worked reliably then the history of how everyone ever interacted with them would be very different. The occasional fluke appearing to work doesn't require everyone between the age of legends and now to be an idiot, while the reverse does.
I would believe that except the only time we've ever seen exaltations get captured their criteria for who they pick immediately got changed to the faction that wanted to pick the candidates. So it undermines your point of we never see it happen because we do see it happen the entire targeting apparatus for 50 of the 300 get completely hijacked to the point where the demon if it doesn't like your answer of serving the Yozi can just kill you or just completely wait for the moment to pass. Another 100 of them are outright literally kept in a cage and then the person they would exalt is just asked the question and if the answer is no you die and then they wait till their next candidate.

We never see it happen by exalted hands simply because for the solars it would mean violating the edict that allows them to be the Undisputed rulers of creation the Mandate of Heaven which is the Affairs of Heavens or Heavens Affairs and the keeping and cleaning and the storage of exaltations for the milliseconds they're not in use are Heaven's affairs. To the point where Lytek hates the 100 because of what they did also threatening his life. They're particular method of capture was insanely crude of wait for when they come in for maintenance after we brutally kill the previous owner and get billions of Mortals killed in the process there's no one in setting we ever see capture exaltations with the level of skill or ability that the starborn do the neverborn get the next closest and still only managed to capture a little more than half in comparison to the 290 some that the Sidereals caught. Which yet again argues for being able to influence who gets exultation even if it's too completely deny anyone gets it at all.

The dragonblooded at least in second edition were capable of increasing their likelihood of having Dragon blooded children I'm not going to get into the weird breeding mechanics on that but it was a thing that Lore charms could do.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by BoredMan on Jul 4, 2024 at 3:52 PM, finished with 27 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Try to talk the spirits down
    -[X] Use the Crown on one of the spirits to learn the password / secret handshake
    -[X] Give them the password / secret handshake
    --[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol if needed
    -[X] Etiquette excellency
    -[X] Make excuse for Harry not knowing the password
    [X] Try to talk the spirits down
    -[X] Give them the password / secret handshake
    --[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol if needed
    -[X] Etiquette excellency
    -[X] Make excuse for Harry not knowing the password
    [x]Run and retreat.
 
One thing you guys might want to consider is there are sapient beings not a code wheel, if you get the information that Harry is meant to know and then say it to him aloud they will realize you either got it somehow or you knew it all along and you hid it for some reason. If you do not want to reveal the Crown (to some extent) you might want to consider rolling subterfuge with some kind of stunt.
 
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