Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[Azais]

[X] Why should the doors stay closed when there is so much wrong in the world, why should heroes sleep until the end of days? Offer to walk to the gate and break it with brass that all will be free to range as they will
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Stunt: Upon your brow, the marking of your crown manifests, as you stand straighter, the regal bearing not of a princess still seeking her kingdom, but an Empress who found hers: "You say that you fuard them until the turning of the world? Then hear me, o faithful guardians, and know my words to be true : The Wheel Turns. Your duty is coming to an end. So let us enter the prison you guard, so the world can get four more heroes ensuring that the next Age will not be one of Ruin"

To those who voted fore by name, pleas copy the vote itself, as I changed mine. Because I feel that the world can use more heroes.

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We used the name Sant David to make our mother believe that the trip was safe to bring Daniel, we said, cried and complained that we were getting into long fights and that we needed to calm down, we were promised a low chance of fighting in this damn search for a dog, there were people who dared try to argue with me that our struggles were completely out of our control and look at this.

People, think about what the White Council, whose headquarters are less than 700km away and we have a meeting scheduled with the interns later in the month, will think about this. We did so much to make them trust us and be our allies and then you want to do this shit right on their doorstep? In the middle of a fucking war?

Do you think you can control Arthur (who I'm more committed to because he was a former Knight) and the other three thieves, without a fight? That they will respect the Masquerade? That these consequences will be small when we haven't even dealt with the damn Vegas and Boston yet?

That the spirit dogs willingly chained themselves to this piece of land just to prevent these thieves from escaping will step aside? Without knowing us, without trusting us and going against their own contract?

That are for them, not Arthur or anyone else, we came to this country? That we're just here for Lydia's company, and besides the prisoners being guilty of stealing from her father, she doesn't seem to have any problem with them being punished like this?

 

[Azais]

This will be three for three. Everytime we leave Chicago something major plot wise will happen. There is no downtime Arc if it isnt in Chicago. Just something to be aware of, this seems to be consistent.

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This isn't high level plot, it's people biting every hook in front of them without thinking about the consequences. Damn, DP said that if we reinforce the prison we will know where it is and if necessary we can break into it.

 

[Alratan]

[X] Why should the doors stay closed when there is so much wrong in the world, why should heroes sleep until the end of days? Offer to walk to the gate and break it with brass that all will be free to range as they will
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Stunt: Upon your brow, the marking of your crown manifests, as you stand straighter, the regal bearing not of a princess still seeking her kingdom, but an Empress who found hers: "You say that you fuard them until the turning of the world? Then hear me, o faithful guardians, and know my words to be true : The Wheel Turns. Your duty is coming to an end. So let us enter the prison you guard, so the world can get four more heroes ensuring that the next Age will not be one of Ruin"

Someone with the moral standards and competence to wield the Sword of Love while being a successful Sub-Roman warlord is probably someone that we can negotiate with.

Of course; if he was an Exalt; a fifteen hundred year old Elder is both a potential very powerful ally and potential terrible threat.

A terrestrial equivalent then, since he needed immortality given to him. In base ExWoD they live millennia, and in the quest solaroids can actually live forever baseline.

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By the sound of it he didn't need it because of old age but to reverse a supernatural wound he took (at Camalan, probably), that was going to kill him.

He could well be a Celestial Exalt.

 

[BoredMan]

This isn't high level plot, it's people biting every hook in front of them without thinking about the consequences. Damn, DP said that if we reinforce the prison we will know where it is and if necessary we can break into it.

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Somehow I missed that. Adding it to vote then. As well as making my own.


[x] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon

[X] Learn more. Why should the heroes of the land be barred from returning? Whose will is it that bids them to be bound? What consequences of their return
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the current scene to find what the prisoners are planning to do if they are freed
-[X] Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to learn more about the prisoners


This is the one I'd prefer to win I'll just leave it here. Voting for more escalation without a solid idea of the repercussions or any plan to handle them on the White Council's doorstep sounds like a very irresponsible thing to do.

[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon
-[X] Use the Crown on the current scene to find what the prisoners are planning to do if they are freed
-[X] Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to learn more about the prisoners

 

[Azais]

[X] Why should the doors stay closed when there is so much wrong in the world, why should heroes sleep until the end of days? Offer to walk to the gate and break it with brass that all will be free to range as they will
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Stunt: Upon your brow, the marking of your crown manifests, as you stand straighter, the regal bearing not of a princess still seeking her kingdom, but an Empress who found hers: "You say that you fuard them until the turning of the world? Then hear me, o faithful guardians, and know my words to be true : The Wheel Turns. Your duty is coming to an end. So let us enter the prison you guard, so the world can get four more heroes ensuring that the next Age will not be one of Ruin"

Someone with the moral standards and competence to wield the Sword of Love while being a successful Sub-Roman warlord is probably someone that we can negotiate with.

Of course; if he was an Exalt; a fifteen hundred year old Elder is both a potential very powerful ally and potential terrible threat.


By the sound of it he didn't need it because of old age but to reverse a supernatural wound he took (at Camalan, probably), that was going to kill him.

He could well be a Celestial Exalt.

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Moral standards for medieval era. There is no indication that he was an exalted one, hell no one knew that this term refers to a source of power like ours otherwise everyone wouldn't be so confused by our movements and existence.

Arthur must have this term just because he is very famous and for his conquests, we know that Merlin was Mab's boyfriend when she was human, and that he gathered allies, both mortal and magical, to help in the fight against the Outsiders who were invading and to open the way for Morgana to become the new Mab.

exalted
adjective
UK /ɪɡˈzɒl.tɪd/ US /ɪɡˈzɑːl.t̬ɪd/
exalted adjective (IMPORTANT)
An exalted position in an organization is a very important one:
She rose to the exalted post of Foreign Secretary.

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[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon

 

[TonedMite]

[x] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon

[X] Learn more. Why should the heroes of the land be barred from returning? Whose will is it that bids them to be bound? What consequences of their return
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the current scene to find what the prisoners are planning to do if they are freed
-[X] Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to learn more about the prisoners

[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon
-[X] Use the Crown on the current scene to find what the prisoners are planning to do if they are freed
-[X] Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to learn more about the prisoners

 

[BronzeTongue]

People, think about what the White Council, whose headquarters are less than 700km away and we have a meeting scheduled with the interns later in the month, will think about this

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Kinda wish we could just make this their problem on the basis of proximity and them literally calling their leader Merlin.

[X] Why should the doors stay closed when there is so much wrong in the world, why should heroes sleep until the end of days? Offer to walk to the gate and break it with brass that all will be free to range as they will

Someone with the moral standards and competence to wield the Sword of Love while being a successful Sub-Roman warlord is probably someone that we can negotiate with.

Of course; if he was an Exalt; a fifteen hundred year old Elder is both a potential very powerful ally and potential terrible threat.

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He shouldn't be accruing exp while in stasis, Arthur is probably a terrestrial of some kind.

Also, a warlord is still a warlord. God's approved of plenty of people who went on to be real assholes for the sake of power.

Overall I still want this to be a cooldown arc, not uncork King Arthur the supernaturally powerful imperialist then try to explain why he shouldn't march on London to depose Queen Elizabeth and dismiss parliament in his own name.

By the sound of it he didn't need it because of old age but to reverse a supernatural wound he took (at Camalan, probably), that was going to kill him.

He could well be a Celestial Exalt

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Celestial exalts just happening throughout history doesn't make sense with what we've seen of the setting so far. For one thing, do you think the faerie queens could have had all the involvement they did with Arthur and not noticed what Molly's exaltation was once they had it?

Additionally, ExWoD lays out that if you stop short of killing a celestial exalt with something they will eventually recover. If he was Solar he wouldn't have needed double immortality and probably couldn't have taken it up anyway.

 

[Exmorri]

If these people have been here for a thousand years, another month makes very little difference. We can come back and open it later. Anything that has been sealed a thousand years should not be opened on the fly, just on general principles.
Let's have the peaceful downtime doggy trip we were planning to have, and then maybe open the door later, after notifying the White Council and other such preparations. (I'm not suggesting we give them a veto, but they should get prep time of their own, rather than Molly making them scramble to react constantly.)

[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon

-[X] Use the Crown on the current scene to find what the prisoners are planning to do if they are freed

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I don't think the prisoners know enough about the outside world to have concrete plans, and Crown Rules say we can't ask what they will do after learning about the current state of outside world.

 

[BronzeTongue]

[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon

 

[Ivar]

Why? King of one island isn't really that impressive just because he has a large cultural impact. McDonald's has better brand recognition than Christ and that doesn't automatically make them in the white god's weight class.

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Too bad, imagine an army of outsiders against Grimace and Ronald with the support of Molly. This can be expanded into almost a Kingdom Hearts crossover! Exalted of course as Final Fantasy characters

 

[BoredMan]

Too bad, imagine an army of outsiders against Grimace and Ronald with the support of Molly. This can be expanded into almost a Kingdom Hearts crossover! Exalted of course as Final Fantasy characters

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Voting not to release them immediately after learning they exist doesn't mean that can't happen later though.

 

[Artemis1992]

We were just told he'd pop out and try to conquer England again. Shaking things up for the sake of shaking things up is pointlessly destructive.

Does name recognition really earn Arthur the right to make an attempt at becoming an immortal tyrant? Sure hope the Brits are cool with actually medieval law again, cause that's his cultural background even if he was supposed to be a good guy within it.

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Yeah, he gets to make an attempt.

IF he's too bad, Molly can slap him down, or the Wizards can try to end him, or even mortals with guns.

But first he gets a shot.

Eternal imprisonment is not fair and I won't condone it.

 

[Degorium]

Voting not to release them immediately after learning they exist doesn't mean that can't happen later though.

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If these people have been here for a thousand years, another month makes very little difference. We can come back and open it later. Anything that has been sealed a thousand years should not be opened on the fly, just on general principles.
Let's have the peaceful downtime doggy trip we were planning to have, and then maybe open the door later, after notifying the White Council and other such preparations. (I'm not suggesting we give them a veto, but they should get prep time of their own, rather than Molly making them scramble to react constantly.)

[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon


I don't think the prisoners know enough about the outside world to have concrete plans, and Crown Rules say we can't ask what they will do after learning about the current state of outside world.

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Yeah, he gets to make an attempt.

IF he's too bad, Molly can slap him down, or the Wizards can try to end him, or even mortals with guns.

But first he gets a shot.

Eternal imprisonment is not fair and I won't condone it.

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On top of Eternal imprisonment being horseshit. Anyone who says we can come back and unseal them later that is prime cunt Behavior. Oh I'm sorry I came across your seal and could have released you then but it wasn't convenient or you wouldn't be useful so I didn't despite serving what at this point is almost certainly at very minimum a thousand to possibly 1,500 year sentence but yeah you weren't useful yet so I just left you alone in fact I reinforced the seal either let them rot and force the seal or do nothing and let them go but don't try to come back later being like now that you're useful I'll let you out fucking asshole Supernatural bullshit that is.

 

[Anaja]

[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon

[X] Learn more. Why should the heroes of the land be barred from returning? Whose will is it that bids them to be bound? What consequences of their return
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the current scene to find what the prisoners are planning to do if they are freed
-[X] Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to learn more about the prisoners

 

[BoredMan]

On top of Eternal imprisonment being horseshit. Anyone who says we can come back and unseal them later that is prime cunt Behavior. Oh I'm sorry I came across your seal and could have released you then but it wasn't convenient or you wouldn't be useful so I didn't despite serving what at this point is almost certainly at very minimum a thousand to possibly 1,500 year sentence but yeah you weren't useful yet so I just left you alone in fact I reinforced the seal either let them rot and force the seal or do nothing and let them go but don't try to come back later being like now that you're useful I'll let you out fucking asshole Supernatural bullshit that is.

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Choosing not to release them after just learning they exist is not condemning them to Eternal Imprisonment. Personally I'd be fine with releasing them later after we put even a modicum of planning into it.

Also Degorium your the last person I want to hear from right now. Earlier you said that this outting should be a picnic for Daniel and that not choosing to bring him out here when the stakes are expected to be low means that we may as well have let him fuck off to the NeverNever in search of power.

Your just proving my point by voting to escalate as releasing them now does bring out the possibility of "combat of unknown yields" just as I said before. Just as I said this outing could very well turn into Boston all over again so I did not want to bring Daniel out here.

 

[Ivar]

Voting not to release them immediately after learning they exist doesn't mean that can't happen later though.

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This joke has absolutely nothing to do with the current vote. I just thought I'd make a joke about McDonald's, the power of faith, and Kingdom Hearts. I'm voting for more questions at most.

 

[Azais]

Yeah, he gets to make an attempt.

IF he's too bad, Molly can slap him down, or the Wizards can try to end him, or even mortals with guns.

But first he gets a shot.

Eternal imprisonment is not fair and I won't condone it.

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Firstly, it's not eternal prison, it's until the end of the world, which is still as soon as all humanity would like with the amount of plans that wanted it and came dangerously close to succeeding.

According to Arthur, he is not in prison, he is in Avalon, almost dead, those who are in prison are the three thieves who stole the treasure of the Gaelic God of Death, Lydia's father, and were planning to use it on Arthur. They wanted to fuck a god knowing full well the price. They're actually in a good situation, they're just sealed and not suffering torture that makes them wish for oblivion like other gods would do.

Lastly, of course we could hit them, but I don't want to fight this turn as much as possible, and we would have to fight against the very beings we came to recruit for total unknowns, with high consequences and rewards so nebulous that they almost don't exist.

We can reinforce the door and if necessary in the future, an invasion of numerous Outsiders, ultimately deciding to sink Ingraterra or something like that, break down the door than we will know the location. Letting them go now is stupid.

 

[Exmorri]

Anyone who says we can come back and unseal them later that is prime cunt Behavior. Oh I'm sorry I came across your seal and could have released you then but it wasn't convenient or you wouldn't be useful so I didn't despite serving what at this point is almost certainly at very minimum a thousand to possibly 1,500 year sentence but yeah you weren't useful yet so I just left you alone in fact I reinforced the seal either let them rot and force the seal or do nothing and let them go but don't try to come back later being like now that you're useful I'll let you out fucking asshole Supernatural bullshit that is.

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Don't put words in my mouth. My stance is nothing to do with convenience or usefulness, it's uncertainty. And lack of prep.
If keeping them in turns out to be a bad idea once we know more about the situation and are prepared, we can easily release them later.
But if releasing them is a bad idea, especially releasing them on the fly, it's much harder to both re-seal them and to undo whatever they might do while released, such as couping the current British Government.

 

[BronzeTongue]

Yeah, he gets to make an attempt.

IF he's too bad, Molly can slap him down, or the Wizards can try to end him, or even mortals with guns.

But first he gets a shot.

Eternal imprisonment is not fair and I won't condone it.

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He could still cause a lot of damage going down. How fair is that to the people who can't defend themselves?

I'm not exactly happy about the idea either, but kicking off what's likely to be a minor disaster to make a point isn't great either. Especially since the existence of the soul means they'll get locked up again anyway. That's what the afterlife basically is here.

 

[Artemis1992]

I'm not exactly happy about the idea either, but kicking off what's likely to be a minor disaster to make a point isn't great either. Especially since the existence of the soul means they'll get locked up again anyway. That's what the afterlife basically is here.

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We are Exalted.

If we are not sinking islands to make a point, we are clearly doing something wrong.

Okay, I realise that I'm most likely to be just sniping at other people, so I'll read this thread on tomorrow, because right now I'd just call any argument against freeing ancient demigods cowardly and boring alike, the two cardinal sins of PCs.

 

[Azais]

He could still cause a lot of damage going down. How fair is that to the people who can't defend themselves?

I'm not exactly happy about the idea either, but kicking off what's likely to be a minor disaster to make a point isn't great either. Especially since the existence of the soul means they'll get locked up again anyway. That's what the afterlife basically is here.

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Yes, either they will be imprisoned in any afterlife that has a claim on their souls or we will use MiM on them to destroy them and send them into oblivion.

 

[Degorium]

Choosing not to release them after just learning they exist is not condemning them to Eternal Imprisonment. Personally I'd be fine with releasing them later after we put even a modicum of planning into it.

Also Degorium your the last person I want to hear from right now. Earlier you said that this outting should be a picnic for Daniel and that not choosing to bring him out here when the stakes are expected to be low means that we may as well have let him fuck off to the NeverNever in search of power.

Your just proving my point by voting to escalate as releasing them now does bring out the possibility of "combat of unknown yields" just as I said before. Just as I said this outing could very well turn into Boston all over again so I did not want to bring Daniel out here.

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You'll notice my main vote is to just take the dogs and leave I'm not going to reinforce the seal nor do I particularly want it open as my first option. It was not the place of David the saint to choose to condemn these men to never leave that place of death despite being alive even after the owner of said place is gone. It is not the place of another man to decide by himself to imprison someone for a thousand years. I'm completely okay with reinforcing the seal it's not my first option it's not even an option I'm going to vote for but I'm never going to vote for come back now that they're useful that is such monumentally shit Behavior that's I cannot condone it.

You can not want to hear from me all you want Daniel being here doesn't change the moral and actual implications of these two guys came here for a mission got caught that's fine and then a random mother fucker came along and sealed them away possibly conscious for a thousand and some fucking years. Combat of unknown yields these random dogs that are literally so tired that some of them already want to leave and some other random dogs yeah definitely way outside the range a mortal man can handle definitely oh wait. If you mean the demigods inside even if you think the very worst of the morals of another person attacking someone who just rescue you from a thousand year prison is beyond shit I don't know how else to describe it.

 

[Azais]

We are Exalted.

If we are not sinking islands to make a point, we are clearly doing something wrong.

Okay, I realise that I'm most likely to be just sniping at other people, so I'll read this thread on tomorrow, because right now I'd just call any argument against freeing ancient demigods cowardly and boring alike, the two cardinal sins of PCs.

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If you want to sink an island and kill millions just to prove a point, you're just crazy and there is no need for more words.

 

[BoredMan]

You'll notice my main vote is to

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Your voting for Yog who wants to release them now. We don't know how Arthur in particular will respond to Britain or if they even care for the concept of keeping magic on the down low. They don't have to attack us for this to escalate like Boston.

 

[Vanguard_D]

[X] Learn more. Why should the heroes of the land be barred from returning? Whose will is it that bids them to be bound? What consequences of their return
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the current scene to find what the prisoners are planning to do if they are freed
-[X] Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to learn more about the prisoners


[X] Why should the doors stay closed when there is so much wrong in the world, why should heroes sleep until the end of days? Offer to walk to the gate and break it with brass that all will be free to range as they will
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Stunt: Upon your brow, the marking of your crown manifests, as you stand straighter, the regal bearing not of a princess still seeking her kingdom, but an Empress who found hers: "You say that you fuard them until the turning of the world? Then hear me, o faithful guardians, and know my words to be true : The Wheel Turns. Your duty is coming to an end. So let us enter the prison you guard, so the world can get four more heroes ensuring that the next Age will not be one of Ruin"