Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Unlike canon he's backed by Outsiders and Ashraaaf. He got buffed. He may have contingency plans that weren't present in canon. Looking at his canon display and operating purely with that in mind makes no sense at all.

See my above comment.
Nope, you are misremembering.

Dresden told him and showed him the photo at least two hours before he made his presentation.
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He had more than an hour.
More than two hours, actually, given how long formal arraignments with full evidence presentation can take in front of a fussy organization like the White Council.

Dresden showed him his evidence, and told him he was deliberately timing things to let Peabody think he'd gotten away with it.
There was literally no excuse.
IF he was in his right mind.

Mind whammy or plothole.

I genuinely dont see it.

Canon Madrigal Raith didnt have access to high-end curse equipment.
Duke Skavis did not have the ability to call a Walker into the world in canon. There was no skinwalker with a coven of minions walking around vegas with transhuman enhancements.

There was no Daedalus with magitech equipment.
Basically, it's possible for things to go better in canon, but why risk it when having Molly there will almost assuredly make things go better than in canon? Play it safe, do the White Council a solid (and maybe get a Favor from them), and make it clear Big Molly is here to help.

Okay I don't mean this as anything negative but it feels like there's a purposeful obtuseness here. The idea that having anywhere form a couple of days to a couple of weeks to prepare to move in on Peabody would almost certainly dictate that Peabody loses because Peabody just wasn't capable of fighting a council wizard he had every possible advantage in that situation to have his comfort blown he had slight prior warning multiple throws around and people that are still affected by his ink in close proximity. Do you honestly believe that with more time than 2 hours that the black staff could do worse than Canon I struggle to see how that could be possible if they even had three or more hours I imagine a lot more with been found and neutralized even if it's just put Peabody in a cage with only the blackstaff watching him primed to blow him up.

The idea that 2 hours warning is somehow a best case scenario is fucking terrible because it's dresden who figures out what's going on with Peabody and if we tell the black staff about Peabody Dresden is going to be the one to figure it out again because he's the only person in our immediate circle both ebenezers and Molly's that knows investigation both magical and mundane. Which could give massive lead time to moving in on him rather than essentially having to wrap this up within a long commute in a major city worth of time.
 
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That's what I'm talking about too. You're effectively claiming he'll be more dangerous than he was in canon but everyone else will be the same or worse even if given significant additional warning to act on.
He has support here that he didn't in canon. Therefore he's more dangerous. Easy maths.

With an early forewarning the scenario would be different true but the same goes for Peabody because again here he has had the Outsider investment wildcard thrown into his plans.

As is there's not much reason for my conclusions to deviate. I've little faith that they will handle it without major casualties or Peabody escaping because McCoy didn't demonstrate the skillset needed to handle this sort of operation in canon.

I saw nothing that would make me think the WC are good at effectively dealing with traitors on this level with Outsider support without major casualties. Which is a loose condition in my book because Wizards take a long time to grow powerful and they're generally speaking prohumanity.

One of their most trusted and oldest members has given a malevolent entity backdoor rights to his head, actively feeds their enemies intel to kill them off, gets away with it consistently and has subverted a good chunk of their members. They have no clean way of going about this.

IMO their best bet is an ambush under ideal conditions, with Molly included.

If that outsider backing made that much of a difference then things shouldn't have played out like they have so far in canon, and the conceit of the quest is that they did. So it follows that the investment should either be balanced by the capabilities the council has here or else his power level without it reduced such that reaching his canon abilities requires the boost.
Why not? Other factions or individuals have gotten buffed. Who's to say the Outsider backing isn't recent anyway?

The Walker at the White Court event showed that Outsiders are aware of what we are and Nemesis got to roll to block the Crown and saw us in action so they probably know what we are too. He may be in contact with other Outsiders which could mean that they're getting more involved as of late because of us which would help explain the Vegas incident.

With everything that happened there along with Lydia mentioning that ghost maybe able to harm Outsiders, they'll probably be a more active staple enemy the Quest going forward.

We don't have much solid information on them which makes them a wildcard. The QM has a lot of room to work with there because their power levels are effectively arbitrary.

The idea that 2 hours warning is somehow a best case scenario is fucking terrible
I don't think I said that? Your the one who's confused here. As has been repeatedly stated, Peabody's canon portrayal is outdated. Do not look at his capabilities shown there and assume that they can handle him on their own with prep because of it is what I'm saying.

They maybe able to handle it. I don't think they're likely to do so without loosing a lot of people however.
 
Okay I don't mean this as anything negative but it feels like there's a purposeful obtuseness here. The idea that having anywhere form a couple of days to a couple of weeks to prepare to move in on Peabody would almost certainly dictate that Peabody loses because Peabody just wasn't capable of fighting a council wizard he had every possible advantage in that situation to have his comfort blown he had slight prior warning multiple throws around and people that are still affected by his ink in close proximity. Do you honestly believe that with more time than 2 hours that the black staff could do worse than Canon I struggle to see how that could be possible if they even had three or more hours I imagine a lot more with been found and neutralized even if it's just put Peabody in a cage with only the blackstaff watching him primed to blow him up.
At the moment, Peabody has literally years, if not decades to prepare his contingencies.
We havent.

Our abilities are still changing markedly from month to month, and our capabilities are rapidly evolving.
One month is the difference between Molly being E3 and E4, between being an Arete 6 archmage-equivalent and an Arete 8 archmage-equivalent.

One month is the difference between nobody in Molly's war party having both human and spirit countermagic, and everyone having it.
Delay for a month favors us.

The idea that 2 hours warning is somehow a best case scenario is fucking terrible because it's dresden who figures out what's going on with Peabody and if we tell the black staff about Peabody Dresden is going to be the one to figure it out again because he's the only person in our immediate circle both ebenezers and Molly's that knows investigation both magical and mundane. Which could give massive lead time to moving in on him rather than essentially having to wrap this up within a long commute in a major city worth of time.
Two hours was generous, under the circumstances.
We expect mundane police to respond to ongoing emergencies in double digit minutes
We expect EMTs to respond to emergencies in single digit minutes in cities.

An archmage with two hours warning or better should have done better.

Worse, the suspect was in a gated building, and on the same dais as the Senior Council.
Literally within arms reach of the Senior Council members. Everyone else there besides Ebenezar and maybe the Gatekeeper were taken by surprise. Ebenezar McCoy wasnt.

Ebenezar had no excuse short of mental impairment or author error.
 
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He has support here that he didn't in canon. Therefore he's more dangerous. Easy maths.

With an early forewarning the scenario would be different true but the same goes for Peabody because again here he has had the Outsider investment wildcard thrown into his plans.

As is there's not much reason for my conclusions to deviate. I've little faith that they will handle it without major casualties or Peabody escaping because McCoy didn't demonstrate the skillset needed to handle this sort of operation in canon.

I saw nothing that would make me think the WC are good at effectively dealing with traitors on this level with Outsider support without major casualties. Which is a loose condition in my book because Wizards take a long time to grow powerful and they're generally speaking prohumanity.

One of their most trusted and oldest members has given a malevolent entity backdoor rights to his head, actively feeds their enemies intel to kill them off, gets away with it consistently and has subverted a good chunk of their members. They have no clean way of going about this.

IMO their best bet is an ambush under ideal conditions, with Molly included.


Why not? Other factions or individuals have gotten buffed. Who's to say the Outsider backing isn't recent anyway?

The Walker at the White Court event showed that Outsiders are aware of what we are and Nemesis got to roll to block the Crown and saw us in action so they probably know what we are too. He may be in contact with other Outsiders which could mean that they're getting more involved as of late because of us which would help explain the Vegas incident.

With everything that happened there along with Lydia mentioning that ghost maybe able to harm Outsiders, they'll probably be a more active staple enemy the Quest going forward.

We don't have much solid information on them which makes them a wildcard. The QM has a lot of room to work with there because their power levels are effectively arbitrary.


I don't think I said that? Your the one who's confused here. As has been repeatedly stated, Peabody's canon portrayal is outdated. Do not look at his capabilities shown there and assume that they can handle him on their own with prep because of it is what I'm saying.

They maybe able to handle it. I don't think they're likely to do so without loosing a lot of people however.
Why with any level of warning would they need to lose any people. Peabody's whole scheme relies on being unknown and unsuspected to the point where he's got tons of papers that lead directly back to him that passed through his hands that have mind control agent on them. Why on God's green earth would Advance warning cause any level of loss. The man is an infiltrator and a spy why would the white Council assassin / Hitman be inconvenienced or otherwise put himself at a disadvantage by confronting Peabody anywhere other than by himself because as a member of the white Council he can just ask Peabody "hey can I talk to you for a second?" and then let the rest of the council trickle out of the room and then disintegrate him. Even with Outsider assistance Ebenezer is the black staff he specifically can kill outsiders with his magic and he's allowed to kill humans with his magic as well.

There is no world where he has enough Outsider help to push past one of the most powerful members of the white Council in magical strength and not be dripping with otherworldly Darkness. Guilty of crimes that immediately warrant execution why would they try to put him in a situation where he could do anything other than die. In Canon he has to fight Dresden and I do mean fight Dresden a person who could not use magic to kill him and he had access to Magic that entire time and the willingness to use it lethally and it still came down to a fucking Knife Fight where he got shot in the head. Fighting Ebenezer is a non-starter. If he even suspects something wrong with this private meeting which considering his job as both Record Keeper and stenographer he has lots of them all the time.
 
At the moment, Peabody has literally years to prepare a contingencies.

Our abilities are still changing markedly from month to month, and our capabilities are rapidly evolving.
One month is the difference between Molly being E3 and E4, between being an Arete 6 archmage-equivalent and an Arete 8-class archmage-equivalent.

One month is the difference between nobody in Molly's war party having both human and spirit countermagic, and everyone having it.
Delay for a month favors us.


Two hours was generous, under the circumstances.
We expect mundane police to respond to ongoing emergencies in double digit minutes
We expect EMTs to respond to emergencies in single digit minutes in cities.

Worse, the suspect was in a gated building, and on the same dais as the Senior Council.
Literally within arms reach of the Senior Council members. Everyone else there besides Ebenezar and maybe the Gatekeeper were taken by surprise. Ebenezar McCoy wasnt.

Ebenezar had no excuse short of mental impairment or author error.
Why does it have to be an emergency? Honestly speaking in Canon it's an emergency they are on a strict time limit I think given the information Ebenezer has time and resources to access the proper Personnel to perform an investigation and then once he's performed an investigation summarily execute Peabody in the night. There's really no reason for this to go beyond that. Peabody is guiltyprovably and investigatively guilty of blatantly breaking multiple laws of magic in Canon and here as well. There is no reason to fight or confront Peabody that is just begging for the original scenario to happen again as dozens of enthralled people throw themselves in the front of people that don't want to kill them and he releases his Cloud minions again. Ebenezer is the white council's Hitman let him act up his fucking role and hit this mother fucker.
 
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Why with any level of warning would they need to lose any people. Peabody's whole scheme relies on being unknown and unsuspected to the point where he's got tons of papers that lead directly back to him that passed through his hands that have mind control agent on them. Why on God's green earth would Advance warning cause any level of loss. The man is an infiltrator and a spy why would the white Council assassin / Hitman be inconvenienced or otherwise put himself at a disadvantage by confronting Peabody anywhere other than by himself because as a member of the white Council he can just ask Peabody "hey can I talk to you for a second?" and then let the rest of the council trickle out of the room and then disintegrate him. Even with Outsider assistance Ebenezer is the black staff he specifically can kill outsiders with his magic and he's allowed to kill humans with his magic as well.

There is no world where he has enough Outsider help to push past one of the most powerful members of the white Council in magical strength and not be dripping with otherworldly Darkness.
Guilty of crimes that immediately warrant execution why would they try to put him in a situation where he could do anything other than die. In Canon he has to fight Dresden and I do mean fight Dresden a person who could not use magic to kill him and he had access to Magic that entire time and the willingness to use it lethally and it still came down to a fucking Knife Fight where he got shot in the head. Fighting Ebenezer is a non-starter. If he even suspects something wrong with this private meeting which considering his job as both Record Keeper and stenographer he has lots of them all the time.
Because even with warning they lost 50 people in canon, plus Morgan.
There is no indication they have taken a level up in their ability to respond to this threat, while we do know that Peabody in this AU has gone completely to the Nephandi.


Ebenezar did no such thing in canon, even after his grandson Harry gave him proof. You have not demonstrated any justification for why he would do it here.


You happen to have a misapprehension about how things work in this universe.
Peabody canonically almost killed Dresden, a man thats bigger than him, stronger than him, and more magically powerful than him. In hand to hand.

Thats just not true. Nemesis canonically managed to evade the notice of the Queen of Air and Darkness herself. Dresden fought Vito Malvora multiple times and never noticed his Outsider infestation until he actively used their magic. Outsiders are well capable of lying dogo until you actually channel their power.

Yeah, you are misremembering. Dresden repeatedly tried to use magic on him in canon.
Fireball, then raw force.
I hadn't had time to recharge my energy rings, and they were still on my dresser back home, but I didn't want Peabody to get comfortable taking shots at me over his shoulder. I lifted my right hand, snarled, "Fuego!" and sent a basketball-sized comet of fire flying down the hallway at him.
He spat out a few words and made a one-handed defensive gesture that reminded me of Doctor Strange, and my attacking spell splashed against something invisible a good three feet short of him. Even so, some of it wound up setting the hem of his formal robes on fire, and he frantically shucked out of it as he continued to flee.

I made up even more distance on him, and as he turned into one of the broad main hallways of the complex, I wasn't twenty feet away, and the first security checkpoint was right in front of us. Four Wardens, all of them young, manned the gate—which was to say that, since all the grown-ups, grandpas, and fussbudgets who might object were at the trial, they were sitting on the floor playing cards.
"Stop that man!" I shouted.
Peabody shrieked, obviously terrified, "Dresden's gone warlock! He's trying to kill me!"
The young Wardens bounced to their feet with the reaction speed of youth. One of them reached for his staff, and another drew his gun. A third turned and made sure the gate was locked—and the fourth acted on pure instinct, whipping her hand around her head in a tight circle and making a throwing gesture as she shouted.
I brought up my shield in time to intercept an invisible bowling ball, but the impact hit the shield with enough force to stop me cold. My legs weren't ready for that, and I staggered, bouncing a shoulder off of one wall.
Peabody 's eyes gleamed with triumph as I fell, and he snapped, "The end is nigh!" freezing the young Wardens in place, as he'd done before. He ripped the key on its leather thong from around the neck of one of the Wardens, opened the gate, then turned with a dagger in his hand and sliced it along the thigh of the young woman who had clobbered me. She cried out and her leg began spurting blood in rhythm with her heart, a telltale sign of a severed artery.
I got back to my feet and hurled a club of raw force at Peabody, but he defeated it as he had the fireball, leapt through the gate, and ripped at the air, peeling open a passage between this world and the next.
He plunged through it.
Peabody was GOOD at counterspells.
Why does it have to be an emergency? Honestly speaking in Canon it's an emergency they are on a strict time limit I think given the information Ebenezer has time and resources to access the proper Personnel to perform an investigation and then once he's performed an investigation summarily execute Peabody in the night. There's really no reason for this to go beyond that. Peabody is guilty and probably an investigatively guilty of blatantly breaking multiple laws of magic in Canon and here as well. There is no reason to fight or confront Peabody that is just begging for the original scenario to happen again as dozens of enthralled people throw themselves in the front of people that don't want to kill them and he releases his Cloud minions again. Ebenezer is the white council's Hitman let him act up his fucking role and hit this mother fucker.
Because once we put the information out there, its a matter of time before it gets back to him or his backers.
There's just too many methods of divination in the Dresdenverse for shared secrets to remain completely secure.


This entire chain of argument ignores why Dresden confronted him in canon.
The Council is not an autocracy. Its members get a say, and you dont simply take autocratic major decisions without buy-in from the rest of the organization. Which was why the whole trial thing went on.


The Council hitman does not work inside the Council. Just like the CIA does not work inside the US.
Ebenezar is the hitman, not the executioner; thats why people condemned to death were beheaded by Morgan, deputy commander of the Wardens.
 
Fighting Ebenezer is a non-starter.
I agree. So if cornered Peabody probably won't even try. Old Wizards are known for being able to plan around enemies stronger than themselves as long as they have the time to do so. Do you know what he carries on his person in Quest? What if he has access to something more dangerous than a Mistfiend this time around to whip out and and make a break for it in case he gets outed?

Peabody isn't stupid and probably has something way older speaking into his ear and supplying him. Again Sandra was given a city-wide bad luck spell to aid in her mission. If the White Council's hitman, allowed to kill without magic repercussion, pulls him to the side or ask to speak with him alone it's safe to assume that his guard will be up and he'll prepare himself to bail if needed.

He may not have what he needs to manage that against the Blackstaff on short notice or perhaps he does and escapes to set off his thralls/contingencies. He doesn't need to fight him after all, only delay and such tactics have proven effective on McCoy in canon.

This argument may not be too relevant either depending on what his plans actually are. This maybe something that can't be solved solely by killing one dude. It may very well require our interference to safely disarm every bomb. We have Sanctuary for example which means even the death of Wizards maybe permitted if necessary.
 
Because even with warning they lost 50 people in canon, plus Morgan.
There is no indication they have taken a level up in their ability to respond to this threat, while we do know that Peabody in this AU has gone completely to the Nephandi.
They didn't have advanced warning. 2 hours is barely enough time to plan a picnic much less an arrest and a trial.
Ebenezar did no such thing in canon, even after his grandson Harry gave him proof. You have not demonstrated any justification for why he would do it here.

You happen to have a misapprehension about how things work in this universe.
Peabody canonically almost killed Dresden, a man thats bigger than him, stronger than him, and more magically powerful than him. In hand to hand.

Thats just not true. Nemesis canonically managed to evade the notice of the Queen of Air and Darkness herself. Dresden fought Vito Malvora multiple times and never noticed his Outsider infestation until he actively used their magic. Outsiders are well capable of lying dogo until you actually channel their power.
You're correct I don't have any ability to say that Ebenezer would just kill him. I do know that if Ebenezer finds wrong doing on his part his trial is going to be him in Chains like Dresden after he got his charge for being a warlock in front of the council rather than kind of a hodgepodge put together in 2 hours.

Dresden despite his large size is not actually that good in a fist fight for some reason I can't imagine why that is. He can take a beating like nobody's goddamn business but he's not actually that good at fighting hand to hand. Peabody yet again he counter spells really well he does not use his magic to attempt to kill Dresden despite having Outsiders in his pocket now that could be a saying of it would take more concentration or he would have to stop sprinting away from people who could kill him to do that but it doesn't change the fact that Dresden literally wasn't trying to kill him with magic and was very specifically trying to stop him managed to get in a scuff with him and hold him long enough for Morgan to come out and shoot him in the head close is only important in horseshoes.

Nemesis doesn't confirm anything he's very specifically a character not an investment not power he is a character that very realistically Alters the fundamental nature of any being he molds with. Unless you were saying Peabody is hosting an outsider infection then he's hilariously stupid there's no way the white Council doesn't have wards and general protections against Outsiders he would have been caught ages ago. Having a Eater of the Weak on his side does not make him somehow greater than he was without giving any signs of having infernal investment.

Because once we put the information out there, its a matter of time before it gets back to him or his backers.
There's just too many methods of divination in the Dresdenverse for shared secrets to remain completely secure.
Then why hasn't Peabody been caught. If there are too many divination methods for shared secrets to remain completely secure why hasn't he been caught. He's been in a high risk environment for years now with people that have tons of ability to find him out and he can't have always been using the ink otherwise he would have been found out immediately so why hasn't he been found out there are plenty of beings with some kind of intellectus that would love for him to be found out if another reason to get back out the fucking Reds or the archive to tell on him or any other being with intellectus that has a grudge against the Reds or The Outsiders so why hasn't he been caught yet oh because divination doesn't work that way it's not enough to know what you're looking for you have to have some connection some inkling of where it's coming from and how otherwise the difficulty of performing it is impossible.

Ebenezer with prep time is perfectly capable of catching Peabody and putting him in Chains and bringing him without a focus or searched and seized all of his possessions before bringing him for his trial but he has to be aware of what is going on.
I agree. So if cornered Peabody probably won't even try. Old Wizards are known for being able to plan around enemies stronger than themselves as long as they have the time to do so. Do you know what he carries on his person in Quest? What if he has access to something more dangerous than a Mistfiend this time around to whip out and and make a break for it in case he gets outed?

Peabody isn't stupid and probably has something way older speaking into his ear and supplying him. Again Sandra was given a city-wide bad luck spell to aid in her mission. If the White Council's hitman, allowed to kill without magic repercussion, pulls him to the side or ask to speak with him alone it's safe to assume that his guard will be up and he'll prepare himself to bail if needed.

He may not have what he needs to manage that against the Blackstaff on short notice or perhaps he does and escapes to set off his thralls/contingencies. He doesn't need to fight him after all, only delay and such tactics have proven effective on McCoy in canon.
Let's say Peabody is carrying and to be frank he had them in a bottle so he could be carrying them all the time. Does he release them in a situation where it's him and the black staff essentially Dresden times 10 but he can incinerate people if he views it as necessary. He could be carrying something that might allow him to escape or even kill Ebenezer would that save his life which from Canon seems to be his primary concern.

Releasing the I forget they're weird name it's not Wraith but it's something like that with the mordite casing in the council chamber is a great distraction move it immediately opens up for him to contact his thoughts via verbal confirmation and throw themselves against the council while they're dealing with them but in a room alone with the black staff does he do that because there's no greater distraction the council is outside the room it comes down to if he's feeling lucky because this is not insignificant chance Ebenezer could just literally Fireball all of his little Cloud demons and him at the same time because Fire is deeply indiscriminate like that.

Hell considering how frantically he's running does he even consider possibly killing the black staff in visual range of his death curse.

Sandra wasn't given a city-wide luck spell we dragged our ass and she sacrificed multiple people to do that. She wasn't given that spell she just ritually cast that shit. She had a fallen lore that she used and was about as effective as it could have been on someone with a perfect offense. In most circumstances I'm sure it would have been great but just the small area paired with the person she was using it on was not a great combo.

Sandra in that Arc was a average wizard with a investment that allowed her to use specfic Angelic lores at pretty intense cost to herself which powerful cool didn't particularly help her.

This argument may not be too relevant either depending on what his plans actually are. This maybe something that can't be solved solely by killing one dude. It may very well require our interference to safely disarm every bomb. We have Sanctuary for example which means even the death of Wizards maybe permitted if necessary.
Okay what is with this infantilization of the white Council with Masters capable of unraveling magic both Mind and otherwise there. What are we offering we aren't even a master of one discipline of magic yet we have no ability to affect the raw substance of magic either we can counter magic a spell if it comes at us maybe. If they need our help to disarm bombs their shit out of fucking luck.

Some people have made comments about my lines about the exalted and their power but this is such a supreme arrogance we are so much more powerful we are so much more insightful we are so much better at Magic we are so much more than the multi-century old Wizards with more than a fucking day of prep time and it blows my fucking mind.

People don't want to poke the solar exaltation because they don't want the setting to bend around the exalted but then insist that every problem must be solved by Molly's hand if we cannot trust them with sorting out their own traitors when given the information and how and why those traitors are operating and what they're doing. Then what was the point of trying to get on the even terms with the white Council they obviously can't be trusted to be a sovereign entity if they're so blatantly incompetent that with an overwhelming numbers and information Advantage they cannot deal with one person with infernal Investments without taking massive losses obviously they need new management.

Though I do not believe that to be the case I don't believe Arthur Langtry, Ancient Mai, Ebenezer McCoy, Joseph Listens-to-Wind the most powerful wizards of the Modern Age one of which we see on screen the fighting a Lesser God and injuring it and then luring it into a nuclear site and getting it nuked. I just don't see how with advanced warning they can fail or fuck up getting Peabody. They have the skill the magic and the might to get it done they just need the information to know who and why and how. If we give it to Ebenezer he can give it to the rest of them and they can isolate and then capture but we have to give them the opportunity to manage themselves.

If they are warned of contingencies and his backing I fail to see how he could affect the situation as he did in Canon. He only got off as well as he didn't Canon because of how fast it had to go down if a proper investigation goes down they're going to gather evidence of every piece of paper that flowed through his hands agents that went missing on Mission documents that he had access to and a variety more they're going to find the agent that he's using to hypnotize people Ebenezer is going to know of his Outsider influence because of us. The white Council has the ability to purge mind magic it's not easy it's not good but it works and once they know it's there they can do it immediately. Then they slap a warrant down put them in Chains Pat them down take his shit and drag him to a trial. If you can't trust old Wizards to keep secrets and hoard knowledge like it means the world who can you trust who can you trust to do so other than maybe gods of Secrets.
 
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They didn't have advanced warning. 2 hours is barely enough time to plan a picnic much less an arrest and a trial.
Strongly disagree.

Every emergency service, every superpower military, operates on less notice than that. School shooter response is on less notice. The White Council itself went to war with less notice in Dead Beat after a couple senior wizards were taken captive.
The idea that two hours was too little time when the suspect was literally giftwrapped isnt really credible IMO.
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You're correct I don't have any ability to say that Ebenezer would just kill him. I do know that if Ebenezer finds wrong doing on his part his trial is going to be him in Chains like Dresden after he got his charge for being a warlock in front of the council rather than kind of a hodgepodge put together in 2 hours.

Dresden despite his large size is not actually that good in a fist fight for some reason I can't imagine why that is. He can take a beating like nobody's goddamn business but he's not actually that good at fighting hand to hand. Peabody yet again he counter spells really well he does not use his magic to attempt to kill Dresden despite having Outsiders in his pocket now that could be a saying of it would take more concentration or he would have to stop sprinting away from people who could kill him to do that but it doesn't change the fact that Dresden literally wasn't trying to kill him with magic and was very specifically trying to stop him managed to get in a scuff with him and hold him long enough for Morgan to come out and shoot him in the head close is only important in horseshoes.

Nemesis doesn't confirm anything he's very specifically a character not an investment not power he is a character that very realistically Alters the fundamental nature of any being he molds with. Unless you were saying Peabody is hosting an outsider infection then he's hilariously stupid there's no way the white Council doesn't have wards and general protections against Outsiders he would have been caught ages ago. Having a Eater of the Weak on his side does not make him somehow greater than he was without giving any signs of having infernal investment.
That has never been how Ebenezar works. He's the secret hitman, not law enforcement.

Thats not true.
Harry only seems physically incapable against supernaturals like Rampires. He's a six foot nine giant of a dude. McCoy canonically taught him staff fighting as a kid, and he started doing them again at Murphy's gym shortly before Dead Beat.

Peabody DID attempt to use his magic to kill Dresden.
"The end is nigh!" he snarled.
All three of them froze in their tracks, their expressions going blank, and Peabody went through the group, puffing, and knocked one of them down. I pushed harder, and he started glancing over his shoulder, his eyes wide.
He ducked around the next corner, and my instincts twigged to what he was about to try. I came around the corner and flung myself into a diving roll, and a spray of conjured liquid hissed as it went by overhead. It smacked against the wall behind me with a frantic chewing noise, like a thousand bottles of carbonated soda all shaken and simultaneously opened.
I hadn't had time to recharge my energy rings, and they were still on my dresser back home, but I didn't want Peabody to get comfortable taking shots at me over his shoulder. I lifted my right hand, snarled, "Fuego!" and sent a basketball-sized comet of fire flying down the hallway at him.
Acid spell, or something similar.
In return, Dresden threw a fireball at him. You dont throw a fireball at someone you arent trying to kill. The Dresden-Peabody encounter was very deadly, and Dresden was authorized to stop him by any means.


My dude, the Gatekeeper literally has a fake magic eye because without it, Outsiders would regularly sneak across the Gates in the bodies of the injured and returning soldiers.
This is canon to Cold Days. Nemesis is uniquely good at it, its not the only one.


Wizard wards do not detect Outsiders. If they did, everyone's lives would be much easier.
See the very fact that Peabody carried a mistfiend into Edinburgh in an ink bottle without tripping any alarms. Or that Maeve was Nfested in canon without tripping any alarms. Or that Summer Lady Aurora didnt trip any alarms either.
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Then why hasn't Peabody been caught. If there are too many divination methods for shared secrets to remain completely secure why hasn't he been caught. He's been in a high risk environment for years now with people that have tons of ability to find him out and he can't have always been using the ink otherwise he would have been found out immediately so why hasn't he been found out there are plenty of beings with some kind of intellectus that would love for him to be found out if another reason to get back out the fucking Reds or the archive to tell on him or any other being with intellectus that has a grudge against the Reds or The Outsiders so why hasn't he been caught yet oh because divination doesn't work that way it's not enough to know what you're looking for you have to have some connection some inkling of where it's coming from and how otherwise the difficulty of performing it is impossible.

Ebenezer with prep time is perfectly capable of catching Peabody and putting him in Chains and bringing him without a focus or searched and seized all of his possessions before bringing him for his trial but he has to be aware of what is going on.
For one thing, a lot of people dont share secrets. Or give them away for free.
For another, because Peabody literally has mind control and influence over the people who would be in charge of looking for him. Its like when the CIA put a Russian agent in a senior position in the department whose responsibility was to find Russian spies.


Such as who?
Go ahead, look through the list of people with intellectus. Its rare for a reason.
The Archive is neutral. Her War is different.


Ebenezar didnt manage it in canon despite preptime.
This hypothetical Ebenezar McCoy you are making up bears no resemblance to the one we actually see in the series.
 
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Ebenezar didnt manage it in canon despite preptime.
This hypothetical Ebenezar McCoy you are making up bears no resemblance to the one we actually see in the series.
I feel like there's a disconnect here prep time is more than the time it would take you to load up a car for a trip. Prep time is more than it would take it to plan a picnic. Prep time is days or weeks in advance knowing that you need to perform an operation and planning it in in detail rather than needing to Cobble it together in 2 hours. To say Ebenezer in Canon had prep time is to say Titanic had prep time for that iceberg.

Which by the way unless you're saying Outsiders are immune to wards or so powerful that minor gods compare to them because that is what the wards of white Council headquarters are directly stated to need to break through. Not every Outsider can be fucking Nemesis and meld perfectly into an existence with another being. It would need to be Investments otherwise they would literally catch him because Outsiders are a class of being and you can ward against them.

You know that isn't how most divination works. Random Secrets don't get out because unless you know where and who and you have a link necessary to look in on them you cannot try to Divine a random bit of information. Even us with the most powerful method of grabbing information from the very fabric of reality itself still need some kind of foci to do so why would Peabody manage to circumvent this really basic rule of relationships and magical thinking. To my understanding he wouldn't. So they can take their time put together their operation and then catch him.
 
Whats the issue here. Molly doesn't need anybody else to capture this guy, like she can do it with her hands tied behind her back.

Just capture him first and then prove he is guilty.
 
Sandra Marling was neither a quick nor disappointing fight, and Sandra had only seven months of preptime, compared to the decades of investment that Peabody has here.
Sandra Marling got beaten up by Lash with her 0 Brawl, while we fought the Dragon, if I remember correctly.

Peabody might be dangerous in many different ways, but not in straight fight. Not while he can successfully pretend to be mortal.
 
Whats the issue here. Molly doesn't need anybody else to capture this guy, like she can do it with her hands tied behind her back.

Just capture him first and then prove he is guilty.
He's the white council's Record Keeper and stenographer if we plan on staying in a diplomatic space with the white Council at all they will not take well to us essentially kidnapping a core member of the white Council. The white Council despite its rather loose organization does maintain its autonomy from most matters and states us taking a member of their organization without permission will immediately land us in their shit pages it doesn't matter why we did that because doing it without talking to them first means essentially shitting completely all over that autonomy. Not to mention it's an insult to every wizard on said Council both leadership and membership to just take a member without saying anything it also puts us at odds with anybody who has at this moment positive relationships with Peabody which at the moment is everyone on the senior Council and a significant portion of the rank and file of the white Council.

Also taking him and then trying to prove his guilty looks suspicious as all get out. There's also the fact that because he has a ton of possessions in the White councils building and Facilities lots of divination can be done there to locate him even if it's after they find evidence of his crimes they're still going to want to know where he is and when it comes out that we have him and that we knew to grab him because we knew for some reason that we knew what he was doing and we didn't tell the white Council we look like massive assholes as well nothing says allies like withholding very important information about someone brainwashing your membership and being an outsider collaborator. I am certain there are more reasons that I am just not thinking of.
 
Sandra Marling got beaten up by Lash with her 0 Brawl, while we fought the Dragon, if I remember correctly.

Peabody might be dangerous in many different ways, but not in straight fight. Not while he can successfully pretend to be mortal.

I mean, we kind of bumrushed Sandra and all her allies and overwhelmed them. If Sandra had stayed inside her super-curse's AOE, if the Dragon hadn't completely failed his Intimidation roll, if we hadn't bought allies with lasguns and all rolled fantastically, things would've gone very different in that final showdown.

Sandra wasn't ready to throw hands, but she was ready with Light Anti-Tank Weapons, a city-wide bad luck ritual and a room-wide super bad luck ritual, a subverted (false) Dragon, loads of Outsiders that would've mulched anyone who wasn't a Starborn or Exalted, a really freaky tentacle former wizard Outsider juggernaut, and so on.

Peabody is, if anything, older and stronger than Sandra. He's worked at the heart of the White Council, literally besides the Gatekeeper, for decades if not centuries. Even if he couldn't fist-fight Dresden, he could still absolutely slaughter him with magic. He certainly isn't gonna prioritize keeping his cover when by sheer virtue of fighting him his cover is already blown.
 
He's the white council's Record Keeper and stenographer if we plan on staying in a diplomatic space with the white Council at all they will not take well to us essentially kidnapping a core member of the white Council. The white Council despite its rather loose organization does maintain its autonomy from most matters and states us taking a member of their organization without permission will immediately land us in their shit pages it doesn't matter why we did that because doing it without talking to them first means essentially shitting completely all over that autonomy. Not to mention it's an insult to every wizard on said Council both leadership and membership to just take a member without saying anything it also puts us at odds with anybody who has at this moment positive relationships with Peabody which at the moment is everyone on the senior Council and a significant portion of the rank and file of the white Council.

Also taking him and then trying to prove his guilty looks suspicious as all get out. There's also the fact that because he has a ton of possessions in the White councils building and Facilities lots of divination can be done there to locate him even if it's after they find evidence of his crimes they're still going to want to know where he is and when it comes out that we have him and that we knew to grab him because we knew for some reason that we knew what he was doing and we didn't tell the white Council we look like massive assholes as well nothing says allies like withholding very important information about someone brainwashing your membership and being an outsider collaborator. I am certain there are more reasons that I am just not thinking of.
No, i mean literally call a session of the council and then grab him before he enters the room.
 
I mean, we kind of bumrushed Sandra and all her allies and overwhelmed them. If Sandra had stayed inside her super-curse's AOE, if the Dragon hadn't completely failed his Intimidation roll, if we hadn't bought allies with lasguns and all rolled fantastically, things would've gone very different in that final showdown.

Sandra wasn't ready to throw hands, but she was ready with Light Anti-Tank Weapons, a city-wide bad luck ritual and a room-wide super bad luck ritual, a subverted (false) Dragon, loads of Outsiders that would've mulched anyone who wasn't a Starborn or Exalted, a really freaky tentacle former wizard Outsider juggernaut, and so on.

Peabody is, if anything, older and stronger than Sandra. He's worked at the heart of the White Council, literally besides the Gatekeeper, for decades if not centuries. Even if he couldn't fist-fight Dresden, he could still absolutely slaughter him with magic. He certainly isn't gonna prioritize keeping his cover when by sheer virtue of fighting him his cover is already blown.
Is there a reason people keep bringing up the bad luck ritual because that was just a left-handed path ritual of bad luck she literally had to sacrifice multiple people to activate it and she did it herself and then we immediately counter ritual it out of existence it wasn't a granted power or something she could just do we sat on our hands for multiple hours and then she managed to do it and then we immediately fucking undid it.

Even if she had stayed inside her Mega curse we could have walked in there or pulled her out because we had mind hand manipulation on and it doesn't care about the chaos bubble because we were standing outside of it when we activated it like I imagine any other Force spell Dresden would have cast wouldn't care about it if he had cast it from the outside when it hit her out of it anyway.

Sandra was an impressive young mage but nothing out Beyond the scope except for her Angelic bubble of Chaos. Which is perfectly in line with how Investments and Deals go in Mage the Ascension they can give you shortcuts but they can't actually give you any level of ultimate power that can only be gained via Enlightenment and knowledge of the Spheres.

To the point where the Nephandi don't actually get any bonuses to Magic for being Eaters of the weak. They get Myriad restrictions large or a debuffs that immediately call attention of any faction that can tell that they are corrupted and maybe if their Patron is particularly close to the human world a bit of a way to hide that corruption but none of their patrons can grant them knowledge of the Spheres which are the real ultimate power they can grant Hellfire which is useful but it's way less than any particularly powerful force rote, they can grant wealth and they can grant libraries both of which are lesser than the libraries of either faction of the Ascension war or any particular faction of the disparates.

To the point where after the Caul if their Patron does not hollow them out a Nephandi will inevitably betrayed said Patron as they grow beyond the power of the patron considerably both in the real world and personally. Hell there's a reason the Traditions the technocracy and the disparates all have infections of these guys it's not just because all three factions have power dynamics that are right for abuse that draws in these types of people it's also the fact that to grow more powerful they have all the knowledge.

I mean I don't think he could actually magic fight Dresden if he could he would have just blasted him anytime he counterspiled him cuz he obviously wasn't afraid to enthrall people and kill them using magic so why didn't he just kill Dresden using a spell and it stands to reason both as a stenographer and as a lesser functionary of the white Council that he just didn't believe that he would have the might to do so is there at least not fast enough that he could also run away. Dresden is extremely strong for a wizard his age to believe that Peabody could somehow just blast him away without effort is wrong and also unsupported.
 
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He has support here that he didn't in canon. Therefore he's more dangerous. Easy maths.
Why not? Other factions or individuals have gotten buffed. Who's to say the Outsider backing isn't recent anyway?
Missing my point. The conceit of the quest, as I understand it, is that the events of canon were on the rails until Molly got her exaltation. The differences are all in translating the books into a quest using the WoD system and background to fill things out.

We know he has backing now but for events to remain the same the balance of power must be functionally identical even if the weights are different. Otherwise people wouldn't act the same.

As far as I'm aware his outsider connection isn't a random new thing either, and in any case any a lack of proof against something is evidence it happened.

He's dangerous, but in a particular profile. Peabody isn't acting like he is because it's fun, but because if he got caught it'd go poorly for him.

I find this whole thing with the canon good guys being drooling idiots we must save while the bad guys can appeal to arbitrary outsider buffs to do whatever they want annoying.
 
I find this whole thing with the canon good guys being drooling idiots we must save while the bad guys can appeal to arbitrary outsider buffs to do whatever they want annoying.
Wow... clearly you made up your mind on it awhile ago if that really is your final take away from my posting. Specific enemies have received buffs in quest. Your going to have to come to terms with that instead of ignoring it just because it's inconvenient for us.
 
As an aside, we should see if we can't get some information about how the Wicked City is doing, either from the crown or Divsimar if he's willing to check in with his contacts for us.

I'm curious about how the chaos is unfolding.
 
Wow... clearly you made up your mind on it awhile ago if that really is your final take away from my posting. Specific enemies have received buffs in quest. Your going to have to come to terms with that instead of ignoring it just because it's inconvenient for us.
I was exaggerating a little, but not by that much.

My disagreement here is that it's not all buffs one way. For the plot to make sense certain dynamics need to remain in place. So sure Peabody gets a buff because we have a name for his patron now, but if that made such a difference that he could outright win a fight picked with weeks of prep from the top level members of the council specifically out to get him then he wouldn't be acting like he is.

To be clear about what I mean by this; if you modeled everything the same but took Molly out of the equation things should happen more or less exactly as they did in canon. That encounter went poorly, but a lot of that was due to political nonsense and if things had been just a little smoother at the start it wouldn't have gone down that way.

In general I think it would be good to treat people in the setting like they have a meaningful ability to do things without the protagonist.
 
So sure Peabody gets a buff because we have a name for his patron now, but if that made such a difference that he could outright win a fight picked with weeks of prep from the top level members of the council specifically out to get him then he wouldn't be acting like he is.
It's bits like this that convince me you weren't really reading my post. I never said anything like that and I'v no idea where your getting that from. In a straight fight against a more prepared Council I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't kill him. As I have said more than once now we don't know what his backers saw fit to give him for his mission so I see no reason to believe that the WC can take him out without casualties, especially considering how it went down in canon.

Again repeating myself here- Major WC casualties is a loose condition in my book because it takes a long while to build Wizards up and generally speaking they are prohumanity.


That encounter went poorly, but a lot of that was due to political nonsense and if things had been just a little smoother at the start it wouldn't have gone down that way.
You can make that vague argument about almost anything. Everything Peabody used to screw them over and kill Wizards in canon before being taken out he had access to on the spot. Not many clean ways it could've gone in that scenario if he wasn't outright killed before he could react. Which is what damn well should've happened but McCoy dropped the ball.
 
It's bits like this that convince me you weren't really reading my post. I never said anything like that and I'v no idea where your getting that from. In a straight fight against a more prepared Council I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't kill him. As I have said more than once now we don't know what his backers saw fit to give him for his mission so I see no reason to believe that the WC can take him out without casualties, especially considering how it went down in canon.

Again repeating myself here- Major WC casualties is a loose condition in my book because it takes a long while to build Wizards up and generally speaking they are prohumanity
Maybe I read too much into it then, because that's what I got from the conversation about his buffs and potential additional contingency plans blocking attempts to work through the senior council on this.

The optimal way for this to go down in my book is that McCoy learns of the influence Peabody has, preferably with details about the effect which we get from crown questions. He is a victim of the influence, but it's specifically not something which can reach too deep in a wizard that age. So when he learns about it I expect him to be able to

1) Find it if he goes looking, in his own body if nowhere else

2) Do something about what is there

If he can't Listens to Wind should as the premier healer on the planet, and for all their bloody history they do work together fairly well.

The council had casualties and issues dealing with Peabody in the moment because nobody was in position to deal with the actual threat he posed. Most wizards aren't good at picking in your face fights, they shouldn't have even been in the room.

If the situation changes to one where McCoy knows he needs to hunt Peabody and Peabody doesn't know he's being hunted then it turns into the blackstaff plotting an assassination.

Peabody is the type of character who's frighteningly powerful, but of a particular build. A huge part of beating him is knowing you should be trying in the first place. Bypassing that with the crown is like bringing Kryptonite to fight Superman.


You can make that vague argument about almost anything. Everything Peabody used to screw them over and kill Wizards in canon before being taken out he had access to on the spot. Not many clean ways it could've gone in that scenario if he wasn't outright killed before he could react. Which is what damn well should've happened but McCoy dropped the ball.
He had access to on the spot because of all the work he did and where he was standing. That doesn't mean he's equally prepared everywhere against everything. The defense against McCoy obliterating him on sight is not getting noticed and having pawns to make him hesitate.

If McCoy can take his time picking the time, place, and murder weapon many of those advantages are neutralized.
 
I got from the conversation about his buffs and potential additional contingency plans blocking attempts to work through the senior council on this.
Yeah, I never said that. You've been arguing with a strawman. I feel like your only considering the actions of a forewarned Council in a vacuum and ignoring how Peabody may respond to an attack with his unknown assets and contingencies resulting from his buff and increased support. Peabody and his backers get agency too. My position has always been that they maybe able to kill him with forewarning but not without casualties.

I saw nothing that would make me think the WC are good at effectively dealing with traitors on this level with Outsider support without major casualties
I've little faith that they will handle it without major casualties or Peabody escaping because McCoy didn't demonstrate the skillset needed to handle this sort of operation in canon.
McCoy has not demonstrated the capability in canon to deal with this sort of threat without casualties.
I agree. So if cornered Peabody probably won't even try. Old Wizards are known for being able to plan around enemies stronger than themselves as long as they have the time to do so. Do you know what he carries on his person in Quest? What if he has access to something more dangerous than a Mistfiend this time around to whip out and and make a break for it in case he gets outed?
Peabody isn't stupid and probably has something way older speaking into his ear and supplying him. Again Sandra was given a city-wide bad luck spell to aid in her mission. If the White Council's hitman, allowed to kill without magic repercussion, pulls him to the side or ask to speak with him alone it's safe to assume that his guard will be up and he'll prepare himself to bail if needed.
This argument may not be too relevant either depending on what his plans actually are. This maybe something that can't be solved solely by killing one dude. It may very well require our interference to safely disarm every bomb. We have Sanctuary for example which means even the death of Wizards maybe permitted if necessary.

Granted not all of these replies were to you but they are from my most recent post on the subject.


That doesn't mean he's equally prepared everywhere against everything.
Never implied otherwise. The point of that reply was to accentuate the fact that even if things went "a little smother at the start" there probably would've been a similar result. The only way to avoid the resulting clusterfuck in that scenario in that setting would've been to kill him immediately after outing him. I wasn't commenting on some white room scenario.
 
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Wow, the vote is literally 13-12 I'll leave this one more hour in case anyone wants to change over to one of the two in front.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jun 10, 2024 at 9:26 AM, finished with 385 posts and 29 votes.

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    [X]PLAN THE ENEMY SITUATION
    -[X] Molly
    --[X] NEW Traitor, Enemy of All: Thanks to your Crown you know the names of the traitors on the White Council, the problem is how to explain this without revealing the game.Or perhaps deal with them yourself: 1 AP
    --[X][ARCANE ALLIES] NEW Training... Wizards?: Carlos would like to meet with you. 1 AP
    --[X][ARCANE ALLIES] NEW Getting Lydia a Good Boy: assist Lydia in getting a dog, maybe a magical one. Mouse might be interested in helping. 1 AP
    --[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    ---[X] MOVING OUT , you are of age now and you certainly do not lack for funds, the sooner you get Rosie out of that house the better 1 AP
    --[X] The Other side of the Mirror: Explore and secure Nevernever areas corresponding to the Last station 1AP
    --[X] New Artifact Workshop: Crafting a place of potential, a wild seed so near to the world of form is no easy thing, but once it's done you are sure it will pay for itself in full (0/10 AP) 3 AP
    ---[X] Involve Tiffany for 4 AP
    -[X] SGI's 24 AP
    --[X] Pods
    ---[X] [SGI] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile 1 AP
    ---[X] [SGI] Higher Education: Boston is even freer of supernatural claimants than when you found it, but you have done little to engage with the mundane side of getting into Harvard. While other you may not cheat quite as hard you're sure they could manage. Cost 2 AP
    ---[X] [SGI] Teachings of Winter: Teach Summoning, dream-weaving or other unknown Paths to the spirit binders of Sanctuary: Maeve's good will allows for the teaching of magics unknown to Sanctuary. Your presence, in some manner will help smooth matters Can spend up to 3 AP
    --[X] SGI-2 Diplomat
    ---[X] Cauldron Bubble, your new friends in the Ordo Lebetis could use more help, maybe not as... enthusiastic as the last time, but they are small fish in a very big and scary pond
    ---[X] [SGI] ONLINE PRESENCE , one of the few advantages of minor talents over more powerful magicians is that they are more up to date with technology and less likely to make it explode. See if you can convince the others to set up a strong online presence, maybe even recruiting Cost 1 AP
    ---[X] [SGI] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago, so far you have been isolated from the supernatural scene of Chicago, now that you can get in touch with them without necessarily having your dad with you all the time the time has come to change that... though given how both Mouse and McCoy thought you were bad news at first maybe you should bring dad or Harry along to some of them just as an introduction
    ----[X] Alphas, friends of Harry, close to you in age and they work to keep monsters off the street near the University, they sounds really cool costs 1 AP
    ---[X] FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES , she might work for Marcone but Grad was really cool 1AP
    ---[X] SPIRIT SPEAKER , Mortimer Lindquist is the real deal 1 AP
    ---[X] [SGI] Introductions to more of you: Twin jokes aside it's going to take a bit of time and care to get your family used to other yous and keep the secret 1 AP
    --[X] SGI-3 Regent
    ---[X] [SGI] CROWN AND SCEPTER, see what good your unique talents can be put towards in Sanctuary Can spend up to 6 SGI AP (6 AP)
    --[X] SGI-4 Alchemist
    ---[X] [SGI] Write in: Alkahest and Rubedo, while neither Bob nor Harry would ever say you are Ungifted in the art you've always felt that you could dedicate more time to the craft.
    ----[X] Craft Level Mixed Procedures, Concoct 2 Batches of Healing and 3 Batches of Speed. Imbue 1 casting of Prima Metallum Brew 2 batches of Astarte Venerian and Tablet 2 Batches of Nabu Mercury X 2 if More than Shoe Elves are still available 1 AP
    ----[X] Craft Level Four Procedures, Aggragate 4 Algean Marbles, Cook 3 batches of Bodybuilding, Brew 7 batches Magic Cleaner X 2 if More than Shoe Elves are still available 2 AP
    ----[X] Craft Level Three Procedures, Imbue 4 castings of Prima Metallum, Brew 5 batches of Astarte Venerian and Tablet 5 Batches of Nabu Mercury X 2 if More than Shoe Elves are still available 1 AP
    ----[X] Craft Level Three Procedures, Imbue 6 castings of Prima Metallum, Brew 4 batches of Astarte Venerian and Tablet 4 Batches of Nabu Mercury X 2 if More than Shoe Elves are still available 1 AP
    [X]PLAN HOME SECURITY
    -[X] MOLLY PRIME: 6 AP + 2 Malcoffee AP
    --[X][INVESTIGATIONS] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will: 1 AP
    ---[X] Moving out. The sooner you get Rosie out of that house the better
    --[X][FINANCES AND INFRASTRUCTURE] The Other side of the Mirror: Secure Nevernever areas corresponding to the Last station: 1 AP
    --[X][ARCANE ALLIES] NEW Getting Lydia a Good Boy: assist Lydia in getting a dog, maybe a magical one. Mouse might be interested in helping. 1 AP
    --[X][ARCANE ALLIES] NEW Training... Wizards?: Carlos would like to meet with you. 1 AP
    --[X][CRAFTING] New Artifact Workshop: Crafting a place of potential(0/10 AP)[+1d4 AP Joe Magarac + 4 AP Tiffany]: 1 AP + 2 Malcoffee AP
    --[X][WRITE-IN: CRAFTING] Soul Train: Building Porter a train-body like he wanted.[+ Elves]: 1AP
    -[X]SPLINTERED GALE INCARNATION: 24/24 SGI AP
    --[X][SCHOOL][SGI] Attend school: 1 SGI AP
    --[X][INVESTIGATIONS][SGI] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago: 3 SGI AP
    ---[X] Alphas, friends of Harry, close to you in age
    ---[X] Friends in Low Places, she might work for Marcone but Grad was really cool
    ---[X] Spirit Speaker, Mortimer Lindquist is the real deal
    --[X][INVESTIGATIONS] Updated [SGI] Higher Education: Engage with mundane side of getting into Harvard: 2 SGI AP
    --[X][INVESTIGATIONS][SGI] Crown and Scepter, see what good your unique talents can be in Sanctuary: 6 SGI AP
    --[X][INVESTIGATIONS] [SGI] NEW Teachings of Winter: Teach unknown Paths to the spirit binders of Sanctuary.Your presence, in some manner will help smooth matters. 3 SGI AP
    --[X][FAMILY TIME] [SGI] Updated Family Unknown, Even if they didn't you have other more distant family in Boston that it would be cool to meet. 1 SGI AP
    --[X][FAMILY TIME] [SGI] NEW Introductions to more of you: Twin jokes. Get your family used to other yous: 1 SGI AP
    --[X][WRITE-IN: CRAFTING] ALCHEMY: Making potions of Astarte Veneria and Nabu Mercury: 6 SGI AP
    --[X][ARCANE ALLIES] Cauldron Bubble, your new friends in the Ordo Lebetis could use more help
    ---[X] [SGI] Updated Online presence, See if you can convince the others to set up a strong online presence: 1 SGI AP
    [X]Plan Homebase Homebrewing
    -[X] Molly
    --[X] A Big Score, your Crown isn't really made for picking out random numbers in a mundane draw, but it is still your power so you can push it that one time to win a lottery... any lottery. You will have to find the balance between payout and anonymity and some place to park the money but that seems reasonably doable with some help from mom and dad, and unlike some of your other plans they are unlikely to object to this form of cheating at gambling 1AP
    --[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    ---[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (0/15 progress)
    ---[X] Moving out, you are of age now and you certainly do not lack for funds, the sooner you get Rosie out of that house the better 2 AP
    --[X] Tools Redeemed: Thinking back on that paraphernalia you looted from the Fomori tantalizing insights come to mind... and more immediately relevant it will mean you can finally stop mooching of Harry's equipment. (Gain Alchemy Laboratory Halved XP price for reaching Alchemy 4) 1 AP
    --[X] The Other side of the Mirror: Explore and secure Nevernever areas corresponding to the Last station 1AP
    --[X] New Artifact Workshop: Crafting a place of potential, a wild seed so near to the world of form is no easy thing, but once it's done you are sure it will pay for itself in full (0/10 AP) 3 AP
    ---[X] Involve Tiffany for 4 AP
    -[X] SGI's 24 AP
    --[X] Pods
    ---[X] [SGI] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile 1 AP
    ---[X] [SGI] Higher Education: Boston is even freer of supernatural claimants than when you found it, but you have done little to engage with the mundane side of getting into Harvard. While other you may not cheat quite as hard you're sure they could manage. Cost 2 AP
    ---[X] [SGI] Teachings of Winter: Teach Summoning, dream-weaving or other unknown Paths to the spirit binders of Sanctuary: Maeve's good will allows for the teaching of magics unknown to Sanctuary. Your presence, in some manner will help smooth matters Can spend up to 3 AP
    --[X] SGI-2 Diplomat
    ---[X] Cauldron Bubble, your new friends in the Ordo Lebetis could use more help, maybe not as... enthusiastic as the last time, but they are small fish in a very big and scary pond
    ---[X] [SGI] Online presence, one of the few advantages of minor talents over more powerful magicians is that they are more up to date with technology and less likely to make it explode. See if you can convince the others to set up a strong online presence, maybe even recruiting Cost 4 AP
    ---[X] [SGI] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago, so far you have been isolated from the supernatural scene of Chicago, now that you can get in touch with them without necessarily having your dad with you all the time the time has come to change that... though given how both Mouse and McCoy thought you were bad news at first maybe you should bring dad or Harry along to some of them just as an introduction
    ----[X] Alphas, friends of Harry, close to you in age and they work to keep monsters off the street near the University, they sounds really cool costs 1 AP
    ---[X] [SGI] Introductions to more of you: Twin jokes aside it's going to take a bit of time and care to get your family used to other yous and keep the secret 1 AP
    --[X] SGI-3 Regent
    ---[X] [SGI] Crown and Scepter, see what good your unique talents can be put towards in Sanctuary Can spend up to 6 SGI AP
    --[X] SGI-4 Alchemist
    ---[X] [SGI] Write in: Alkahest and Rubedo, while neither Bob nor Harry would ever say you are Ungifted in the art you've always felt that you could dedicate more time to the craft.
    ----[X] Craft Level Three Procedures, Imbue 4 castings of Prima Metallum, Brew 5 batches of Astarte Venerian and Tablet 5 Batches of Nabu Mercury X 2 if More than Shoe Elves are still available 1 AP
    ----[X] Craft Level Two Procedures, Concoct X Batches of Healing and X Batches of Speed. X 2 if More than Shoe Elves are still available 1 AP
    ----[X] Craft Level Four Procedures, Aggragate 4 Algean Marbles, Cook 3 batches of Bodybuilding, Brew 7 batches Magic Cleaner X 2 if More than Shoe Elves are still available 2 AP
    ----[X] Craft Level Three Procedures, Imbue 6 castings of Prima Metallum, Brew 4 batches of Astarte Venerian and Tablet 4 Batches of Nabu Mercury X 2 if More than Shoe Elves are still available 1 AP
 
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