Camelot is hella recent. There are literally like a few millenia before them.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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The current fae court was literally born during Camelot dude.
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[x] Yes, ask Joe Magarac to continue his studies of Essence under new management (Costs a Favor)
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Empathize that this isn't about weapons. It's about expanding the horizons of what is possible, about how people can be more.
No, the Ladies are not allowed to lose their virginity, as it's classically defined. That's not necessarily the same thing as sex, as we use the term today, and the Fae are all about the law as written, not it's spirit.
I will eat my boots if Maeve, for example, hasn't stretched the definition of "technical virginity" to the point that would impress even a purity-ring-wearing Southern Baptist girl saving themselves for marriage.
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Empathize that this isn't about weapons. It's about expanding the horizons of what is possible, about how people can be more.
No, the Ladies are not allowed to lose their virginity, as it's classically defined. That's not necessarily the same thing as sex, as we use the term today, and the Fae are all about the law as written, not it's spirit.
I will eat my boots if Maeve, for example, hasn't stretched the definition of "technical virginity" to the point that would impress even a purity-ring-wearing Southern Baptist girl saving themselves for marriage.
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You know that's what I meant when I said sex but yeah fair my bad on wording.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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[x] Yes, ask Joe Magarac to continue his studies of Essence under new management (Costs a Favor)
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Empathize that this isn't about weapons. It's about expanding the horizons of what is possible, about how people can be more.
I personally think Mikaboshi will get enlightened mortals. He will need to find something similar in rarity to Lydia's situation to produce Tier Terrestrial. In any case, it is dangerous, very dangerous. You can easily see why during the third era, the dragon-blooded killed the exalts as quickly as possible to prevent them from gaining essence using Molly as example.
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Empathize that this isn't about weapons. It's about expanding the horizons of what is possible, about how people can be more.
I personally think Mikaboshi will get enlightened mortals. He will need to find something similar in rarity to Lydia's situation to produce Tier Terrestrial. In any case, it is dangerous, very dangerous. You can easily see why during the third era, the dragon-blooded killed the exalts as quickly as possible to prevent them from gaining essence using Molly as example.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
He should be too busy dealing with the current crisis and other Yomi kings for the foreseeable future. It was worth using a Summer Favor on. Definitely need to swing back to deal with him in the future though. Probably after using the Crown to figure out how he* dealt with the last ruler of the Wicked City.
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It's the personal favor I think.
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Meta wise I assume we grabbed more than enough things to scary what's happening in their hell right? Even bricks and stuff should be good enough scary what is happening in the area I took this from right?
Also mad warping of the setting. In my opinion power levels need to conform to the way the world is arranged. This is exactly the kind of thing that grinds everything unique out of an exalted crossover setting and retroactively makes most of the residents look like idiots.
I'm probably too biased to give fair feedback on this because I think exigent are cancer in their home edition. They basically exist for people who think being a "regular" exalt isn't special enough. Consistency of the background be damned.
On a character level she's a good addition to the quest, but people popping out exalts seems like it calls a lot of basic elements into question.
The current Titania, Mab, and Maeve are. The rest of the court members aren't specified. I doubt they're all that young.
I dont think Mikaboshi has the heft to make an Enlightened human, let alone a proper Exalt.
Not in these latter days. Just like I have doubts about the utility of one; Lydia is Terrestrial-class, and her Essence pool is relatively miniscule.
But it is possible that he might fumble into creating the conditions to raise a Liminal Exalt, at least once, as detailed in the ExWoD sourcebook. Now, whether thats a good thing for him is a different matter, because Liminals have their own goals, and I dont think you can bind a Liminal either.
Similarly, he might rediscover the making of Abyssal necrotech; that abomination we fought looked very much like something out of the Abyssal sourcebook.
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In canon they should be at least the court parts at least I know the wyld hunt is newer than the courts at least.
Ah. Fair enough.
I dont think its worth burning a favor from Magarac, but Im not overly fussed one way one way or the other.
Still, if I had to vote:
[X] No, you'll do this in house
Binding a Liminal would be basically impossible for one of the Yama Kings, they do not have a traditional soul.
Do you mean members of the courts or the institutions? The fey have always been around as far as this iteration of reality is concerned, but the court system being its own thing is maybe a thousand years old. That doesn't mean all members are necessarily younger than the faction they're in. Mother Winter is definitely older, and fey can get stronger with age but don't have to. Pixies for example can theoretically spend forever as a bumblebee sized lump of magic glitter, they grow with important events and responsibilities.
Pretty sure canon Mab started as a pixie changling, but I need to check some WoJ again to confirm that.
It's entirely possible that some timeless entities have been messing around in the fey territory for an unspeakably long period of time.
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Fairly sure Mab started as the lady in canon then the queen died and had to take her place somewhere past 1000 a.d.
Also considering in canon butcher said all fae have human origins I find it more likely they were formed from humans. Edit: The current iteration that is I say fae are only like 1500 years old but I mean the current fae they had the equivalent of ancestors as far as I know and hell maybe even some of those are alive but as far as I know the courts are new fae in canon at least.
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True.
But they wouldnt know until they tried, which is likely to turn out badly for whoever did so.
Canon Mab was mortal, to my knowledge, as was her sister Titania.
By her own words, even.
Thats all we know IC that I can recall.Cold Days c53 said:
Cite.Q: How big will Toot get?
A: Depends on how much influence he has in the world. That's how the sidhe gain their size and power. Mab wasn't always as big as she is now.
2010 Bitten by Books Q&A:
#150 Is Toot-toot's increase in size due to his actions, or the title and followers he has acquired doing Harry's bidding?"
It's due to /Harry's/ actions, mostly. Toot done hitched his star to Harry's wagon. As a result, he's taken actions he never would have taken on his own, some of which had major consequences. Toot has effectively become a much more powerful being than he was as an independent dewdrop faerie. The physical growth is a reflection of that fact.
I mean gosh, where do you think the Sidhe came from in the first place?
So technically doesn't call her a pixie, but the implication here places them as something like a lifecycle of the same species. All fey have a human origin, but it's not always direct. In Mab's case I think it is, but not as Molly's was.
My working theory is that she was a changling of Sidhe heritage who made her choice, turning into some sort of neat pixie scale Sidhe. Babby!Mab then has a character development arc that lets her grow enough to keep a full thought in her head and eventually somehow becomes the Winter Lady.
I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to draw. We know at least some members of the court are older than the current system and have no particular evidence that suggests no others can exist. Even setting that aside, Butcher pretty clearly treats the courts as a political reorganization of a single faction. They have ancestors, but that's not some heavily removed connection like say Humans and Neanderthals.
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Started as a mortal and was a mortal when she became Lady aren't the same thing. Molly didn't shrink when she took the mantle, for that WoJ to make sense she must have been a changling who made her choice at some point prior to taking the mantle.
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She didn't need to be a chageling, after all Molly was completely human when she became the Winter Lady. The mantle should have priority for Changelings or Fairies, but if that doesn't feel a candidate from those categories is compatible, it seems to have no problem getting attached to a human who has been influenced by the specific court (Molly being apprenticed to Harry, Winter Knight, and later apprenticed to Lea, direct servant of Mab).
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A ritual was done to make the courts as they are at the very least and it required some level of sacrifice. I'm fairly sure the previous queens and ladies became as such at the same time. Also we have word that the winter mother is the only mother winter but the queen and lady mantle cannot be that old as we have woj how many times those mantles have been passed. The mother mantle is just as likely to be only as old as the current courts as it is to be far older than them. All we know is mother winter has never been replaced not that she is older than the courts and any evidence for them being older isn't actually evidence so much as personal head canon.
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My point wasn't that she needed to be a changling to be the Lady, but that she needed to be one to shrink and then grow again as a Sidhe/Pixie.
Molly is about the same height as Mab and she didn't shrink despite taking a lesser position in the hierarchy. Presumably a full mortal taking the mantle is something of a special case.
You're just writing in any details you want. The same WoJ where he described how they were made treats them as one continuous group that reorganized into the courts at that time as they gained independence. Some new stuff was made and a price was paid, but that doesn't support what it seems like you're advancing.
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There's no actual evidence that mother winter is older than the courts well I mean technically all but the newest ladies are by technicality. But there no actual evidence that mother winter predated the establishment of the queens and ladies. Just that she has been mother winter for the entirety of the courts history. Also butcher has described the current courts as descendants of those that came before in the past. So I don't see why you think the courts as they are aren't new. Given there are probably hold overs.
Edit: mind you she could be but there isn't any actually evidence she didn't become mother the same time the previous queens became queens in canon. The only thing we know whereas queens have died in canon and a mother has either retired or died and been replaced mother winter has always been the same.
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[X] Yes, ask Joe Magarac to continue his studies of Essence under new management (Costs a Favor)
[x] Yes, ask Joe Magarac to continue his studies of Essence under new management (Costs a Favor)
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Empathize that this isn't about weapons. It's about expanding the horizons of what is possible, about how people can be more.
Yes, I'm a sucker for research into fundamental nature of magic and use it to create wonders like world didn't see. Sue me.
[x] Yes, ask Joe Magarac to continue his studies of Essence under new management (Costs a Favor)
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Empathize that this isn't about weapons. It's about expanding the horizons of what is possible, about how people can be more.
Yes, I'm a sucker for research into fundamental nature of magic and use it to create wonders like world didn't see. Sue me.
In terms of the original foundation:
The queens and mothers were participants in the ritual. They had to be older, the stronger ones probably had firmer positions in the old order.5. cowl with darkhallow – really? just a bunch of spirits…
If he'd succeeded, he'd have had the collective power of all of those supernatural beings and then some. He'd have been clearly stronger than the Ladies, and a full-on equal to Mab. I mean, why do you think the Erlking was summoned as part of that ritual? Because that's how the big E got so boss in the first place.
For that matter, how do you think the Mothers and Queens and Ladies established their original base of power? That big old sacrificial, power-sucking stone table in Tir na noth isn't there for its primitive decorative aesthetic.
In terms of later replacement:
Mother Winter has not been killed or replaced, so she must be the same entity that participated in the ritual that made the court system.
She couldn't have been Mother Winter before Winter, but she was almost certainly a big bad something.
The courts are a new system for an old people. My point is not to deny that they've "only" been around for a few millennia, but you're treating it like they sprung from nowhere or that there's a division that invalidates what they were. The connection is more American revolution/the founding fathers than cave men in substance.
They're also older than you're suggesting in any case because Mab has Arthurian connections and the courts were around for a while before she ever came to power.