Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[uju32]

@DragonParadox
Since both Molly and Lydia suscribe to the "pillage THEN burn" philosophy of supernatural combat, Im assuming we looted the effects of our attackers, from the armors to the gliders. I know I mentioned it in my vote, since she had the lift capacity.

QUESTION
1)You said that the Wardens have the good armor.
How good are the environmental-protection systems? Because there were three Wardens, and there are three people here who need protection: Nergui, Lydia and Bakemono Bob. Lash can shield herself, and the iron elementals are fine.
Molly should be able to resize them to work on the three who might need it.


2) Nergui has Yin Prana 6.
Yin Prana 5: Semblance of the Ebon Dragon allows him to become insubstantial in the Yin World.
Does that allow him to avoid this particular hazard?

 

[Artemis1992]

@DragonParadox
Nergui could use Yin Shield.

System: The player spends one Yin Chi and rolls Stamina + Intimidation (difficulty 6). Each success provides one point of armor (see Vampire: The Masquerade, p. 209) against all attacks, or two points against any attack based on or involving Yang Chi or energies. The Yang Shield dissipates once it sustains four times its protection in a single attack (though it may be activated again on the Kuei-jin's next action). The Yin Shield remains functional for one scene, or until the Kuei-jin chooses to drop it.

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Since heat is something fundamentally Yang-aspected, he'd have twice his successes in additional soak against it.
Easily enough to keep him safe for the scene.

 

[DragonParadox]

@DragonParadox
Since both Molly and Lydia suscribe to the "pillage THEN burn" philosophy of supernatural combat, Im assuming we looted the effects of our attackers, from the armors to the gliders. I know I mentioned it in my vote, since she had the lift capacity.

QUESTION
1)You said that the Wardens have the good armor.
How good are the environmental-protection systems? Because there were three Wardens, and there are three people here who need protection: Nergui, Lydia and Bakemono Bob. Lash can shield herself, and the iron elementals are fine.
Molly should be able to resize them to work on the three who might need it.


2) Nergui has Yin Prana 6.
Yin Prana 5: Semblance of the Ebon Dragon allows him to become insubstantial in the Yin World.
Does that allow him to avoid this particular hazard?

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1) They do have some environmental protection, but it is more middle of the road armor not the kind one uses when walking into an incinerator. Since you guys do have all those files here is what that armor does:

Mark 1 City Defender Combat Suit:
The basic version of the advanced power armor that Mikaboshi's more valuable minions are allowed to wear, this armor is linked into the geomancy of the Wicked City, allowing it's user to control nearby parts of the web, and also ensuring it stays loaded. Outside the City it would take a considerable external power-supply to keep the armor running for more than a few minutes.

• Armor: Six additional soak dice of protection shield the character from bashing, lethal, and aggravated damage. The bulk of the suit and servos reduces the wearer's Dexterity-based dice pools by two dice, and he must be wearing the helmet in order to get the full protection for his head.
• Strength: Those internal servos add two dice to the wearer's Strength-based dice pools, except for feats that involve jumping or running. The agent can run a maximum of 20 yards per turn, and that level of activity quickly strains his muscles even with the help of the suit. (Assume one turn of running per dot of Stamina.)
• Temperature Control: Internal heating and cooling units keep the wearer relatively comfortable in temperatures ranging between 0 and 110 degrees Fahrenheit (-18 to 45 degrees Celsius).
• Hard Fists: The suit's reinforced gloves and boots add one die to the damage of all weaponless strikes. That damage, without weapons, inflicts bashing-style harm.
•Stabilizer: The suit can lock in the arms of the wearer to minimize recoil, reducing the Difficulty-increase of Strafing or Full Auto to +1
•Helmet Uplink: The user can connect to all nearby (500ft) installations of the Wicked City and control them, as far as his control-codes allow. This allows him to activate or deactivate automatic defenses, traps, cameras and screens and in some cases even self-destructs

2) *considers planar metaphysics* That will work, though it would come with the risk of him tripping defenses aimed at Yin imbalanced and thus strong in Yin Kakuri Akuma of all kinds. Then again you are very close

 

[DragonParadox]

@DragonParadox
Nergui could use Yin Shield.

Since heat is something fundamentally Yang-aspected, he'd have twice his successes in additional soak against it.
Easily enough to keep him safe for the scene.

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This could work and would probably be less risky than Semblance of the Ebon Dragon when it comes to specialized protections, but thee would be rolls against the heat, he could get unlucky on the dice.

 

[Artemis1992]

This could work and would probably be less risky than Semblance of the Ebon Dragon when it comes to specialized protections, but thee would be rolls against the heat, he could get unlucky on the dice.

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Still, that plus his Iron Mountain ought to be enough to defend against heat.
Fires usually only go up to 3 damage per round, unless there's direct magical power, like a Demon with Lore of Flame or a Wizard with Forces making it actively worse.

 

[uju32]

@DragonParadox
Nergui could use Yin Shield.

Since heat is something fundamentally Yang-aspected, he'd have twice his successes in additional soak against it.
Easily enough to keep him safe for the scene.

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Yeah, that looks like it would work. And he'd be able to reactivate it immediately as well if it fell for whatever reason.
As a Dharma 7 elder, he has north of 20 Chi, and he can actually use Demon Shintai without risking Shadow Soul (NOT Black Wind, though.)

1) They do have some environmental protection, but it is more middle of the road armor not the kind one uses when walking into an incinerator. Since you guys do have all those files here is what that armor does:

Mark 1 City Defender Combat Suit:
The basic version of the advanced power armor that Mikaboshi's more valuable minions are allowed to wear, this armor is linked into the geomancy of the Wicked City, allowing it's user to control nearby parts of the web, and also ensuring it stays loaded. Outside the City it would take a considerable external power-supply to keep the armor running for more than a few minutes.

• Armor: Six additional soak dice of protection shield the character from bashing, lethal, and aggravated damage. The bulk of the suit and servos reduces the wearer's Dexterity-based dice pools by two dice, and he must be wearing the helmet in order to get the full protection for his head.
• Strength: Those internal servos add two dice to the wearer's Strength-based dice pools, except for feats that involve jumping or running. The agent can run a maximum of 20 yards per turn, and that level of activity quickly strains his muscles even with the help of the suit. (Assume one turn of running per dot of Stamina.)
• Temperature Control: Internal heating and cooling units keep the wearer relatively comfortable in temperatures ranging between 0 and 110 degrees Fahrenheit (-18 to 45 degrees Celsius).
• Hard Fists: The suit's reinforced gloves and boots add one die to the damage of all weaponless strikes. That damage, without weapons, inflicts bashing-style harm.
•Stabilizer: The suit can lock in the arms of the wearer to minimize recoil, reducing the Difficulty-increase of Strafing or Full Auto to +1
•Helmet Uplink: The user can connect to all nearby (500ft) installations of the Wicked City and control them, as far as his control-codes allow. This allows him to activate or deactivate automatic defenses, traps, cameras and screens and in some cases even self-destructs

2) *considers planar metaphysics* That will work, though it would come with the risk of him tripping defenses aimed at Yin imbalanced and thus strong in Yin Kakuri Akuma of all kinds. Then again you are very close

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1) Ok.
Looks like a basic Alanson without the optional modules
How long would it take Molly to disable most of the other powered functions other than the Temperature Control and crank that up?

2) Unlikely.
The Wicked City is a Yin-aligned Hell IIRC; most of the akuma are likely to be Yin aligned.
That would hit most of his own security staff.

 

[BronzeTongue]

Important Shintai related question. If we do turn it on do we keep our hell buffs since we're still technically here or do we drop off while everyone else in range loses their debuffs?

 

[Artemis1992]

2) Unlikely.
The Wicked City is a Yin-aligned Hell IIRC; most of the akuma are likely to be Yin aligned.
That would hit most of his own security staff.

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Are you sure?

I didn't read 1000 Hells too closely, but I got the impression that the Wicked City is a relatively balanced hell, in terms of Yin and Yang.
All that metal might favor Yin, but electricity is energy, potential fire and such, and that is conceptually closer to Yang, so I expect the modern hell to have some of both.

Besides, even if his minions were mostly Yin, this is a secured facility in which even the Akuma of Mikaboshi shouldn't try to walk around without permission. No sneaking through the ghostworld.

 

[DragonParadox]

Yeah, that looks like it would work. And he'd be able to reactivate it immediately as well if it fell for whatever reason.
As a Dharma 7 elder, he has north of 20 Chi, and he can actually use Demon Shintai without risking Shadow Soul (NOT Black Wind, though.)

1) Ok.
Looks like a basic Alanson without the optional modules
How long would it take Molly to disable most of the other powered functions other than the Temperature Control and crank that up?

2) Unlikely.
The Wicked City is a Yin-aligned Hell IIRC; most of the akuma are likely to be Yin aligned.
That would hit most of his own security staff.

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1. Beyond the scope of what she can do quickly, it is not from a familiar tech base and it is not single use either, the changes have to hold
2. The Wicked City is a patchwork of Yin and Yang, the very disharmony of which defines it

 

[Earth-Destroyer]

My only idea is invurable sphere of water, if molly used it and went first it might lower the temperature.

 

[uju32]

Are you sure?

I didn't read 1000 Hells too closely, but I got the impression that the Wicked City is a relatively balanced hell, in terms of Yin and Yang.
All that metal might favor Yin, but electricity is energy, potential fire and such, and that is conceptually closer to Yang, so I expect the modern hell to have some of both.

Besides, even if his minions were mostly Yin, this is a secured facility in which even the Akuma of Mikaboshi shouldn't try to walk around without permission. No sneaking through the ghostworld.

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The feng shui of the Wicked City is beyond negative, instead resting in the realm of the impossible.
Thousand Hells p36.
There's other references on the same page about how the Yin feeds the technology, but I dont feel like typing shit out right now.

The QM might change it, but thats what the canon says.

 

[DragonParadox]

The feng shui of the Wicked City is beyond negative, instead resting in the realm of the impossible.
Thousand Hells p36.
There's other references on the same page about how the Yin feeds the technology, but I dont feel like typing shit out right now.

The QM might change it, but thats what the canon says.

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Negative in that case does not mean Yin Aligned, it means misaligned, it is misaligned to a degree that cannot be achieved in reality.

 

[uju32]

Important Shintai related question. If we do turn it on do we keep our hell buffs since we're still technically here or do we drop off while everyone else in range loses their debuffs?

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No idea.
I would assume we keep them, but I cant speak for the QM.

Negative in that case does not mean Yin Aligned, it means misaligned, it is misaligned to a degree that cannot be achieved in reality.

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I will try and provide the quotes when I get access to my books again.
But whatever works for you.

As for going through here? Ceramic coated tunnel will do it; the outer surface of the Space Shuttle during reentry used to hit 1400 Celsius without materially impeding the shuttle crew for the duration of the flight. Molly's Tool Constructs could plausibly put up something like this for long enough to ensure safe passage, and actively cool the air to boot.

Or we could ask a Crown question.

 

[Earth-Destroyer]

Their is also tool transcending construct, make a liquid hydrogen sprayer.

 

[DragonParadox]

No idea.
I would assume we keep them, but I cant speak for the QM.


I will try and provide the quotes when I get access to my books again.
But whatever works for you.

As for going through here? Ceramic coated tunnel will do it; the outer surface of the Space Shuttle during reentry used to hit 1400 Celsius without materially impeding the shuttle crew for the duration of the flight. Molly's Tool Constructs could plausibly put up something like this for long enough to ensure safe passage, and actively cool the air to boot.

Or we could ask a Crown question.

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Making ceramics could work, there's whole rooms of facsimile castles behind you and some of that is bricks. Unless you really need Lash t save on Faith just having her gift Fire Immunity and then use Semblance of the Ebon Dragon with Nergui would be faster and more flexible for when the guards attack as you are fire-walking.

 

[uju32]

Their is also tool transcending construct, make a liquid hydrogen sprayer.

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Hydrogen burns
And thats assuming there's hydrogen here.

Besides, like I said, its unnecessary.
This is a solved problem for mortal human technology. The Crew Dragon reentry capsule reached an estimated 1900 degrees celsius on the outside; the inside temperature didnt go above 29 degrees celsius.

Article:

A final 11-minute deorbit burn allowed the Crew Dragon to drop back into the atmosphere. A thermal shield protected the capsule and the astronauts inside from the scorching heat of re-entry, and temperatures outside the spacecraft were expected to reach up to 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit (1,900 degrees Celsius). [.....] He said it was difficult to see out the windows, which are located near the astronauts' feet, during the period of entry with the highest G-loads. Instead, the astronauts focused on their touchscreen displays. The thermal control system inside the capsule was designed to keep the temperature below 85 degrees Fahrenheit, or 29 degrees Celsius, as temperatures reached their hottest outside the spacecraft during entry. "I do feel like I felt some warming of the capsule on the inside," Behnken said.

Source: https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/08/04/dragon-astronauts-describe-sounds-and-sensations-of-returning-to-earth/

Making ceramics could work, there's whole rooms of facsimile castles behind you and some of that is bricks. Unless you really need Lash t save on Faith just having her gift Fire Immunity and then use Semblance of the Ebon Dragon with Nergui would be faster and more flexible for when the guards attack as you are fire-walking.

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Bakemono Bob does not have fire immunity as far as I know.

 

[DragonParadox]

Bakemono Bob does not have fire immunity as far as I know.

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Indeed he does not, I'd briefly forgotten him

Anyway good night guys, see you tomorrow as we hopefully make our way out of Hell.

 

[Yog]

And by the time he'll be able to react, we may well have already opened the calibration gate and left.

This is the very end of the road and the entire point of going shintai would be to make the rest as fast as possible.

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I wouldn't put it past him to be able to teleport to the site of the intrusion. In many ways, he is Wicked City, and we would be intruding on a whole different level if we went shintai. Which is a terrible idea.

@DragonParadox if we go to our kingdom, and Lydia has a phone playing our theme music, can we port back into Wicked City directly?

I think we need to evacuate the rescued people, and then move forward. Maybe have Lydia leave with Nergul and others? I am afraid of them being pursued, though.

 

[DragonParadox]

I wouldn't put it past him to be able to teleport to the site of the intrusion. In many ways, he is Wicked City, and we would be intruding on a whole different level if we went shintai. Which is a terrible idea.

@DragonParadox if we go to our kingdom, and Lydia has a phone playing our theme music, can we port back into Wicked City directly?

I think we need to evacuate the rescued people, and then move forward. Maybe have Lydia leave with Nergul and others? I am afraid of them being pursued, though.

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Molly thinks Mikaboshi should be able to contest her roll. Also if he gets a read on the music being the anchor he could make this whole fortress rings with enough disharmony to drown out the song.

 

[uju32]

I wouldn't put it past him to be able to teleport to the site of the intrusion. In many ways, he is Wicked City, and we would be intruding on a whole different level if we went shintai. Which is a terrible idea.

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He cant.
No Yama King can as far as I know. He created the Wicked City, he is linked to the Wicked City, he is not the Wicked City.
See Ravana and Lanka for an example. Or Emma-O and Kakuri.

The Yama Kings are powerful, but you are overestimating the breath of their control.

 

[Degorium]

I wouldn't put it past him to be able to teleport to the site of the intrusion. In many ways, he is Wicked City, and we would be intruding on a whole different level if we went shintai. Which is a terrible idea.

@DragonParadox if we go to our kingdom, and Lydia has a phone playing our theme music, can we port back into Wicked City directly?

I think we need to evacuate the rescued people, and then move forward. Maybe have Lydia leave with Nergul and others? I am afraid of them being pursued, though.

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I think only Mages are capable of outright teleportation even Sorcerers with their conveyance still need to convey to a place they don't just appear there even if they can get there shortly before they left at the legendary end. In Dresden Files I think outside of literal summoning I don't think moving instantaneously from place to place is a thing anyone can do not even Wizards. Also I don't think there's reason to believe the lord of the wicked City to be capable of teleportation at all mostly because we are also the Lord of hell and we can't teleport in our hell. Also there's no way to steal from a Yama King thats capable of teleporting in the game you are supposed to be capable of stealing from the vaults of the Kings Soul flowers, Treasures, Jade and the variety of other things if they were capable of teleportation I don't see how you would do that without instantly fucking dying.

 

[Yog]

[X] Tiffany uses Shape Flesh to grant Immunity to herself and Lydia so that they may follow
-[X] Nergui Departs by way of Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi cannot contest this)
--[X] Open the Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi may not contest this)
--[X] He escorts the rescued victims out
---[X] You'll meet immediately after rescuing Joe. Establish means of contacting each other and a rally point.

For now this, I think. Not very satisfied with this. Basically "go loud, move as quickly as possible". We need to get victims out. We cannot afford to also protect them. So, rescue them, sending Nergul with them. Then push on as quickly as possible.

He cant.
No Yama King can as far as I know. He created the Wicked City, he is linked to the Wicked City, he is not the Wicked City.
See Ravana and Lanka for an example. Or Emma-O and Kakuri.

The Yama Kings are powerful, but you are overestimating the breath of their control.

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I assume he gets benefits roughly on par with our kingdom building toolset, and that has

• Exclusive Transportation (Cost: 1 point): The
Realm contains speedy transportation of some kind, such
as high-speed vehicles or magical portals, and these are
only accessible by you and your most favored servants.

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Note "magical portals". I wouldn't exclude teleportation of some kind being possible.

I think only Mages are capable of outright teleportation even Sorcerers with their conveyance still need to convey to a place they don't just appear there even if they can get there shortly before they left at the legendary end. In Dresden Files I think outside of literal summoning I don't think moving instantaneously from place to place is a thing anyone can do not even Wizards. Also I don't think there's reason to believe the lord of the wicked City to be capable of teleportation at all mostly because we are also the Lord of hell and we can't teleport in our hell. Also there's no way to steal from a Yama King thats capable of teleporting in the game you are supposed to be capable of stealing from the vaults of the Kings Soul flowers, Treasures, Jade and the variety of other things if they were capable of teleportation I don't see how you would do that without instantly fucking dying.

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We could have been capable of it, quite possible, if we took exclusive transportation.

 

[Degorium]

[X] Tiffany uses Shape Flesh to grant Immunity to herself and Lydia so that they may follow
-[X] Nergui Departs by way of Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi cannot contest this)
--[X] Open the Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi may not contest this)
--[X] He escorts the rescued victims out
---[X] You'll meet immediately after rescuing Joe. Establish means of contacting each other and a rally point.

For now this, I think. Not very satisfied with this. Basically "go loud, move as quickly as possible". We need to get victims out. We cannot afford to also protect them. So, rescue them, sending Nergul with them. Then push on as quickly as possible.

I assume he gets benefits roughly on par with our kingdom building toolset, and that has

Note "magical portals". I wouldn't exclude teleportation of some kind being possible.

We could have been capable of it, quite possible, if we took exclusive transportation.

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Oh okay you didn't mean appear on top of us like literal teleportation you meant like he could run back to this building and be here really quickly rather than he could appear in this room right now. I'm not sure how likely that is mostly because this is a prison having a operable portal in it could very well lead to people getting ideas whether that be staff or prisoners. Also seems like a huge security risk for someone who is universally hated and people want his position to put easily transportation in his City part of what makes cities hell is the inefficiency of transport. As any American in any given City that isn't older than a century would tell you.

 

[uju32]

I assume he gets benefits roughly on par with our kingdom building toolset, and that has

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Note "magical portals". I wouldn't exclude teleportation of some kind being possible.

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Exclusive transportation maybe. Teleportation no.

His Wardens had to show up by goblin glider instead of having the Yomi Wan equivalent of a Star Trek transporter drop them off on site. Molly gets protagonist privilege; they dont. Noone would ever be able to escape a Hell if the ruling clique could teleport guards and military troops around the place.


Anyway, Im pretty much leaning towards just going shintai and kicking the door in.
We voted for Speed, so anything that slows us down is a bad idea.
And frankly Calibration Gate costs too much to use it multiple times. It costs 4m a pop.

 

[Yog]

Exclusive transportation maybe. Teleportation no.

His Wardens had to show up by goblin glider instead of having the Yomi Wan equivalent of a Star Trek transporter drop them off on site. Molly gets protagonist privilege; they dont. Noone would ever be able to escape a Hell if the ruling clique could teleport guards and military troops around the place.


Anyway, Im pretty much leaning towards just going shintai and kicking the door in.
We voted for Speed, so anything that slows us down is a bad idea.
And frankly Calibration Gate costs too much to use it multiple times. It costs 4m a pop.

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We don't need to use it multiple times. With Joe we can escape to our kingdom. And as to wardens, I doubt anyone but Mikaboshi himself is trusted with any possible teleportation capability.

There's no ruling clique. Mikahoshi doesn't serve the interests of the societal elites. He is an absolute tyrant ruling by his own personal power, and nothing else. There's only him and his victims in his hell.