Are they even with us? I would have included them but they're not in the initiative order and I reread the chapter it doesn't seem like they're with us either. @DragonParadox are Lydia's Hands with us?
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They are, I forgot to put them in the order. They are at the end since they are zombies, they do not roll initiative.
One regaining the fog of War so we're not actively being followed is important. If you want to avoid being bogged down in combat having people actively calling in our location and chasing us is not the way to do that. I'm all for moving toward the location I'm also for Staying Alive because they're going to be chasing us and they're going to be shooting us and we're the only one who has a difficulty of two to not get shot. Not to mention those slave catchers are definitely like facehuggers kind of slave catchers. He can be spending their lives all he wants but as you say we only need to get there for a couple of seconds and it's way easier to get there in fog of War for a couple seconds than under active Chase because they can just shoot him we've already seen the "if I can't have it no one can mentality here" already.
Two that kind of assumes that he's micromanaging them which considering the state of the rest of his hell due to that wonderful weapon that we've just unleashed that is already causing people when the difficulty is at its highest to rebel I get the distinct feeling he might be busy with things. But like say is lower level akuma and more powerful prisoners escaping and destroying his All is Poison geomancy lowering the difficulty to Rebel even more. Or just fucking up his geomancy and hell in general which you know would be a death sentence if he just let happen trying to micromanage some fucking piss ants in a tower on the edge of his hell.
I know we still have the Shikome disguise, but does our actions here cohere with this disguise? I doubt so, and thus believe our cover is already partially blown anyway and so might as well take advantage?
Kakuri I think is one a three enemies of the wicked City worth naming. Us in our disguise is the perfect candidate for this where the Lord of the frozen hell would get a weapon like this is questionable but us being used as the suicide bombers to disperse it into his hell makes perfect sense he's literally sent assassins before to try and kill the lord of the wicked City that are Shikome.
I guess I'll null out my vote and force a tie then while I wait for further responses on this?
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There is no fog of war, this place is like 20% observation equipment by volume.
The gliders are the only issue because of their speed, but they require a lot of space to fly in and we don't need to accommodate that. Getting out of the cathedral is already pretty good for us in that regard. Nergui is a mounted archer, his best attacks are ranged. A running duel with the only people who can effect us is less impactful on the only metric that matters here; how quickly we get to our exit point.
As to the management thing; he has people for this. Someone is organizing security here and it's unwise to assume they're idiots. We know what they're trying to make us do, and we should make significant efforts to never comply with it under any circumstances.
Facial recognition software is simple for the Wicked City, so how good were those disguises really? We're not using BMI right now, and there's only so much costumes can do if they aren't changing basic features.
We are using BMI right now that's why I don't want to flare or use Viridian Legend Exoskeleton.
Thinking about this further ...while our exact objective may not be known, it does not take a genius to figure out the rough direction we are going and to send forces that way anyway?
While we have BMI on right now, I don't think our actions here cohere with likely ones of the disguise we have taken, and deduction is an explicit weakpoint of BMI (also, others don't have BMI).
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There's the thing. Tiffany didn't exist a while ago if Lydia the daughter of the death God has easily accessible photos at all I'll eat my hat, cameras in 2007 and 8 are so bad that there's no way that facial recognition would work. Our objective as our disguises would dictate would be to escape these guys weren't sent here for us but they're probably going to try and guard the exits because we have successfully set off the bio weapon now it is time to extract the fact that we're heading further in is confusing as far as this disguise is concerned or maybe we're lost but keeping the enemy guessing is crucial to success.
Because Akuma are capable of flight as long as we don't do something super distinctive like summon our broken Idol armor our disguise holds up to suspicion because we're in the presence of a heavily Yin aspected Elder so it looks like Kakuri teamed up with a Elder of the 10,000 and set off this bio weapon in the heart of the foremost candidate for Demon Kings Hell. After this fight we could grab everyone with our telekinesis and start running as fast as we can and if we can get up to speed using running to Forever we could be moving at mach speed down these hallways but we need to get up to speed and that means not having people that we need to turn around and Parry every time they shoot at us on our tail.
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Ok. Looking through the plans look broadly similar except for the "throw one enemy into another" thing and the differences are a tradeoff of time vs resources/plausible deniability (though admittedly I am not familiar with this system).
@Degorium Do you mind adding a Stunt so we can try and get more dice out of that plan?
@Degorium Do you mind adding a Stunt so we can try and get more dice out of that plan?
The other part makes sense, but this is absolutely not a good argument here considering this hell is more technologically advanced than mundane reality?
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They would have to cross reference the real world surveillance footage to use facial recognition on Lydia if she has any photos in circulation are probably literal baby photos from the hospital that she was born in and that's it Tiffany didn't exist so I don't even think she has records at all we're not wearing our own face and we're with an elder of the 10,000 so they have to use literally less than 480p real world footage of CCTV and cross reference it to someone who doesn't have records of existing and someone who lived in a manor her whole life. I'll try to make a stunt for mine as well.
I don't recall us changing shapes before leaving Chicago, but in any case it would work on the others.
They're all known associates. Lydia was with us when we confronted his forces in Boston and we aren't the only one who can subvert local systems. If the red court can track a knight of the cross with traffic cameras then the robot devil being able to get images from fights his goons are actually in or places they've been established for a while shouldn't be discounted out of hand.
Confusion that doesn't change their best play isn't that helpful. Not to beat a dead horse, but they want us above all else to stop moving whoever we happen to be. Any plan that indulges that more than is absolutely necessary is flawed.
Lydia only came into the tower after the power was cut and we cut the power. She was in the Never Never and she didn't even meet the Akuma that were there Daedalus meet them and killed most of them.
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Agreed, but there is also another factor here:
Does our disguises still mostly hold, and if they do does breaking it now (we all know Anima Flare is not subtle, and we will cross it next encounter in the other plan) get us immediately inundated in more heat?
I don't really have satisfactory answers for this, so I'd rather maintain the tie until I do
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Uju32's plan puts us right on the edge of anima flare but that doesn't matter because it immediately destroys our disguise because our Broken Idols are our distinct armor we fought a God in it.
In my plan we can use one more Essence before we're on the edge of flaring anima and we are not distinctive beyond being a powerful Akuma. If BMI drops due to anima flare any semblance of stealth will be gone we will be swarmed because we become essentially a miniature Yama King in this Tower no one with any supernatural Senses at all will be able to miss us no matter where we are in the tower.
Lydia was there when we spoke to Nora and her cyber devil minder at that cafe. Nergui was present at the arctic fight, where the troops on the ground probably connection with the wicked city the entire time. One of their primary jobs was to get scans of Molly in action and their plane alone had a live connection even after getting shot out of the sky.
Cameras at that time weren't that bad and we've been in front of hell tech enough for it to be plausible they have better options anyway. In any case even if they don't know who we are they should have a good idea of where as long as we're running around occupied areas of the city. That's enough for them to execute this sort of plan.
We benefit from keeping our eye on the prize so we don't win the battle but lose the war. Our goal is to arrive at Joe's cell with enough space to take him and leave. Their goal is to make us stop long enough for more people to catch up. They're probably maneuvering more people into position right now and every moment we spend here is another one they have to get in our way.
If each encounter delays us enough to get the next in place that's a winning trend for them even if they lose every individual fight.
I agree this is likely occuring as per SOP, but just to check our priors, do you believe that right now we still have stealth (defined as not recognised as Molly or associates), and do you think that our metaphorical encounter table will be upgraded if we are recognised as Molly?
They scrambled everyone in the nearest area to intercept. We plan on moving further into the prison. If they realize our Identity or we end up hitting another group because we move to a different sector and they can scramble more effectively because they have an eye on us that is effectively calling in exactly where we are how do you expect to not end up fighting dozens and dozens of fucking demons.
They knew they were Intruders and they scrambled everyone in the near area to stop them that's why there's just a couple of drones and then three Akuma rather than actual forces already if we run from this group we will have our location broadcast the entire time they're chasing us and we will almost certainly run into someone who is maneuvered to be right in front of us.
On the possible Threat Level of people being sent after Us increasing if they know we are Molly Carpenter we go from a small troupe of Shikome Assassins with the help of an elder of the Wan Kuei. To God Slayer, Multiple Akuma's true death and most recent foe also someone within real chance of actually just straight up murdering the Lord of the Wicked City the level of response that we will receive if they know we are Molly Carpenter is through the roof.
I can't speak to the facial recognition thing I think our makeup work due to our skill with craft and just general labors in the past are more than enough to fake what is essentially low resolution video facial recognition software even powered by Wicked City Magic because modern facial recognition software still isn't that good even with AI helping it.
We arent addressing our allies; they have to respond to take damage.
I'll have to confirm with the QM though.
The Occult Excellency is not active yet. Activating it will cost 1m.
As for flaring?
We are in a fight, carrying a distinctive demon sword.
And Lydia is going to be flaring anyway; she has no dots in Anima Control
Thats not true.
There's 8x ranged drones here that can attack from outside the range of most of our people.
We need to hit them as well as everyone else.
Else they will bog us down.
1) We WANT them to run.
If they run, we dont do this fight and can go on our way. By the time they can get together some greater akuma to respond, we should be gone.
2) This was moot as soon as we got into this fight.
You dont get into a seriousface fight with an arm behind your back, and the QM explicitly warned us that these arent scrubs.
We cannot fight without drawing Usum, who is instantly recognizable.Nor can we activate our surprise negator without flaring.
Lydia cannot fight without flaring, drawing on deathly Essence and using Hunters Bolt, which is NOT shikome tech.
Lash cannot fight without using demonic Lores.
And the Wicked City is explicitly wired up with surveillance cams. Thats how these guys were able to find us in the first place anyway. When we were given options on how to approach this place, we chose the Speed option instead of the Stealth option.
Cant change that now.
3)I dont believe you can genuinely expect to use a Fae superweapon and still remain covert.
Well, that's a pretty thorough and convincing way of showing the idea of Stealth is dead either way, thanks for being exhaustive about it:
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since this plan will likely be faster?
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since this plan will likely be faster?
We are in the Wicked City, one of the most surveillance-camera plagued places in the Hells.
There's cameras, especially in high security installations like this one. And they arent limited to 2007-era technology, as witnessed by the fact that we are currently fighting akuma on antigravity goblin gliders.
How do you think this response force found us while we were literally doing a hundred miles an hour ground speed?
No it is not.
The shikome disguise was supposed to be for infiltration, it would not stand any scrutiny the moment Molly or Lydia or Lash started using obviously non-shikome tech.
You dont draw a one-of-a kind demon sword with bonus Agg damage(TM) in the heart of the Wicked City and hope to remain unidentified. You dont expect a one of a kind Exigent Exalt to use a unique ranged Charm in open combat and still stay covert.
You dont have unique wooden golems get into a fight and think they wont be ID'd.
You dont chuck a one of a kind Fae superweapon, forged with the power of 2 Exalts, a Demon and Mother Summer, into the heart of Mikaboshi's power and expect to remain covert.
We blew our cover the moment we released Hopebringer, then blew up a weapons turret.
And Lydia WILL be flaring anyway.
And for the record, declining to activate your basic armor charmtech in a serious fight is a terrible idea.
Especially when your enemies are likely to be throwing Agg damage around.
You have to survive to worry about the consequences of identification.
Besides, since when were we worried about being ID'd?
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I was wondering if being ID'd now would get higher class enemies being scrambled our way no matter the cost, but as you say it's too late to worry about that either way so