Or just adding spikes. Maybe as a different unit type?
Imagine a fave hugger but the inside has barbed spines everywhere and two big spikes to drive into people's eyes.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Imagine a fave hugger but the inside has barbed spines everywhere and two big spikes to drive into people's eyes.
What a day that would be for those poor fey. Imagine setting a mouse trap and "catching" a baby godzilla that just really likes cheese.
So are you waving the monthly mote cost? That sounds like a good buff to me given how narrow the focus of most of her charms are. She's hell on wheels against things that should be dead, but could use the boost to her tactical abilities against everything else.
Statues aren't that subtle, but otherwise yeah the low cost is a benefit. I think the easiest buff we could provide is bulk alchemical materials, especially if we can make them something recyclable between units. Preferably sourced from our hell.
Mirror steel equivalent materials see like they should be easy to get a hold of at the very least. I'd be surprised if any serious construction was done without stuff like that in the framing, or if they only had one type.
Another option would be to get her exotic working materials that may have other properties. For example, lightning trees.
If she maintains enough of the original body parts then reanimating it could potentially allow some of their weirder abilities. If she could plug them into a generator and have them discharge into targets they hit that could justify some extra damage.
Even if they can't those trees are significantly tougher than their earthly counterparts which should carry over somehow.
Ah no it still costs her motes, it's just she knows where Dragons' nests controlled by ghosts are around Chicago (or she could come to the Last Station) to recharge so her limit is more places to put the zombies
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And why is it that only we can do these? None of these modifications are special or unique, sufficient to compete with both our requests from great powers (Odin and the Archive) and our personal needs.
Just take them to our world and leave thousands of the best engineers, artisans and alchemists from an entire society in it.
Likewise, instead of trying to fit madly into our AP, just ask our engineers, those who originally created and maintain the Wymtrains, to build that body we promised Porter only with many more weapons to defend itself, with us just going at the end to give simple effects like it can appear anywhere in the world or go back and forth from our world, etc., things like that.
Come on people, we are a Queen, we must use our subjects who are already being paid to be attentive to our needs.
Precisely, the point is that they are expendable, so why can't we order hundreds, with whatever modifications Lydia wants, for free from our world, with her just bringing them to life in the end?
Also @DragonParadox don't take this the wrong way, but I hope you don't ask us to vote on how you want us to present we to Mother (since always, our meetings with important beings have always been as respectful as possible and we use as much support of our charms and excellence) or how we will help during the ritual (the maximum possible dc reducers and excellences), because the update where we do the plague is taking a lot of time (in my opnion) and we still have to plan how to get in and out of Yomi.
That will be rolled directly in the next update, don't worry.
OK, looks like we are not poking this
Their primary role is to defend her home against supernatural attack.
And techbane is literally one of the commonest supernatural capabilities in the Dresdenverse.
All those suggestions are pretty much contraindicated.
Also, hollowness compromises structural integrity.
Charge 3x of them before bedtime.
By the time she wakes up, she's refilled on Essence. Takes a week to recharge 20 of them.
Alternatively, haul them all down to Last Station once a month for 4x hours.
1) Subtle not as in unnoticed, but subtle as in blends into the background.
For example:
These are the sort of things that would pass for decorative statuary in and around her home.Lifesize painted wooden statues said:
Solid wood statuary, then you strap armor on top of it.
2)If she needs them.
Its worth remembering that she has both Resources 4(soon to be 5) and access to a lot of her father's contacts in the mortal and supernatural world. She doesnt really need help there.
1) She doesnt have infinite storage space.
Where are you keeping hundreds of adult human sized wooden statues? Literally the equivalent of an army battalion's worth?
2) Lydia actually wants to be independent, and not have to rely on Molly's resources.
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I agree with most of this but isn't techbane mostly a wizard thing? Mind you lot of supernatural stuff doesn't seem to record great like the loup-garou but effects naturally vary. Mind you still nothing rare but its definitely not common right? Common as in there aren't many wizards that'd want to fuck with us.
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@DragonParadox, correct me if I'm wrong, but the decision that we vote, regarding Green Sun Nimbus, was that in essence 4, we would gain all its charm effects again, right? So that means one of our greatest weapons will be back in full force soon. Or was it another vote that won? I really don't remember.
The primary cost-efficient upgrade we can provide for Lydia's tree golems would be to exalted craft a new species of tree / plant with improved toughness characteristics. in principle, this should be a collaboration with Tiffany, because Lore of Flesh should cover (as I understand it) plant life as well. So, make fast growing trees with stamina 10+ that can grow with minimal maintenance, and have Lydia use those as base material.
Didn't say it was impossible, just that such a buff would be convenient since she wouldn't need to spend as much effort maintaining them at scale.
That would 100% stick out to me on casual inspection. A large quantity of life sized wooden statues in a private residence is some kind of red flag. I'm not saying she shouldn't do it, just that it's the sort of thing to make mundanes think you've gone from quirky to eccentric if they're feeling polite and supernaturals turn on their special senses to see what's up.
Those are fair points, but I think we can help without compromising her independence or our AP budget. Especially if the assistance in question is something that doesn't rely on regular access to our hell.
When we do the next equipment upgrade cycle we should consider delaying the weapon @Yog has set up for her in favor of a pocket dimension.
A 3 dot splendor is a bit pricy, but in exchange she could carry around a volume of zombies equal to that of a playground. Stacked like boxes that's a lot of zombies. There's also the potential for something larger too. I don't see anything stopping her from bringing a few car to tank sized bruisers if she wanted.
… on that note, it'd be a waste of a splendor but the idea of a bag with an internal volume the size of a city district packed to the gills with her murder statues is pretty hilarious. The location it uses as a benchmark has a population of more than 95,000 people, if they needed no personal space or infrastructure how many more could you fit in that volume?
It's not a hell realm, but even if she was "only" able to fit ~100,000 human sized drones in there that'd basically be an arbitrarily large army as far as any reasonable encounter is concerned. The bottle neck would be the transfer rate and not the total force.
She has Carriage of the Ankou charm. Mobile troop carrier from the Courts, perhaps even a flying one, tied to her, would solve the issue, and hive her even more firepower and a mobile base of operations.
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Unintentional techbane is a wizard thing.
Nuking technology on the other hand is something a lot of supernaturals can do; if you look at the first gruff assassination attempt in Small Favor, the first thing they do is knock out power on the block.
The juice isnt worth the squeeze.
She's the daughter of a death god who worked for Winter for almost a millenium. She inherited a lot of his supernatural contacts, and she has his voice in her head giving her tips. If she just wants really good wood, good odds she can get it no problem by bargaining with a fae or nature spirit.
I wouldnt be surprised if the person supplying her with golems right now is from the spooky side of things.
She's rich. Its called being eccentric.
Like those mortal homes that have suits of armor around as furnishing
Supernaturals seeing them isnt a bad thing for deterrence, either.
She doesnt really need a weapon. She's got charms we havent bought yet for that.
A bag of holding might be worth the trouble though.
Carriage is meant to be a personal transport, not a troop carrier.
And once again, it would involve tying her into a dependence on Molly's logistics that she has deliberately avoided thus far.
BronzeTongue's suggestion of a bag/realm of holding works better IMO.
Techbane doesn't effect cyber-demons it's how we sold the wizards on our electro guns.
We are a nascent Primordial working with one of the angels of God who forged this iteration of Creation. We can do better, easily, unless her supplier is Mother Summer.
The intent of the charm is entirely your interpretation that I don't agree with (because, if nothing else, traditionally, the Death's carriage also carried the dead), and no, it wouldn't, not really. We can provide maintenance instructions. Or even just provide her with a conventional troop carrier (we have more contacts with the military than she does).
The Cirrus skiff is what you use to move people.
Undead golems have Firearms/Archery 0. And Intelligence 1.
These arent particularly smart golems, they are melee meatshields.
They are tough but stupid.
All this nascent Primordial talk is like describing a human baby as a nascent eidolon made in the image of God: technically true in the setting, but with no real bearing on the issue.
And no, I doubt we can do better without an actual serious investment in the issue.
We have Science 0. We have no Science Excellency. We lack both the theoretical and practical knowledgebase to genetically manipulate living organisms, let alone to create magical versions of them; thats outside our current paradigm.
Similarly, Lash has Lore of Flesh, NOT Lore of the Wild.
Meantime, there's fae and nature spirits who literally were born or created with the talent.
Its in their paradigm. It literally costs everyone less, and is less inconspicuous, to have other suppliers provide it for her.
And satisfies her need for independence to boot without consuming our AP.
Its why she has the Mentor background.
No, thats not it.
Its a personal conveyance.
Two-horse carriages generally carried roughly as many people as cars/SUVs do. Even if if we were generous and extended it to an actual military APC, that would max out at around 10-12x units capacity. Which is not an inconspicuous form factor.
Then, like I've repeatedly pointed out, she would have to have that vehicle maintained by Molly's logistics, because APC mechanics and spare parts are not commercially available.
Let alone APC mechanics for a design that doesnt exist on Earth.
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That's your opinion you are entitled to. I disagree. The charms are intended to be used as exalts are using them. Limiting their use to "the intended theme" is self-defeating. And logistically, no. Maintaining complete independence is not worth it at all. Lydia is perfectly willing to borrow power, make deals, and enter alliances. Molly is her greatest ally so far.
We don't need science to design life.
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Uju? I have to completely agree with Yog, where the hell are you getting your interpretation of charm?
It just says a vehicle or mount and that it can only be exchanged once per story, it doesn't specify any type, Lydia could use this on a aircraft carrier if she wanted.
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Hey but don't you know every infernal with Witness to Darkness is a lying devil, every one with prince of ruin attitude wants to destroy the world.
I do not agree. There are generally benchmarks for comparison for this sort of thing, as opposed to arbitarily interpreting for the most permissive interpretation.
Furthermore, Lydia is a Terrestrial-class Exigent, not a Celestial, and was thus deliberately calibrated for even less power than a Solar/Abyssal who can only call up a personal car or bike.
You most definitely do if you're talking about biology, you know, stuff that Lydia's power will recognize as being within its jurisdiction.
Molly can build magical arcana just fine.
This is not an arcana we are talking about.
Carriage of the Ankou is a specific reference:
Carriages were personal conveyances, not war machines.Wikipedia said:
There's only so far you can fudge this, especially as part of the charmset of a Terrestrial-class Exigent Exalt.
Else you'll have people arguing that it means you can teleport a carrier into an alleyway.
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What does it matter what the charm is referring to? The only thing that should matter is the mechanical description of the Charm, written on the character sheet, something that I indicated and that you are ignoring.
But I'll wait the GM clear up this confusion
Exalts, pretty sure we can.