Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Of course that doesn't account for what the Archive might do if she notices...
this is all a theoretical and I assume we'd do it when more powerful and maybe even inform them. Its an entirely unlikely scenario though.

Edit: theoretically we could even do a trade like them trapping a nemesis infected and us using our intellectus question on nemesis sources in existence for example or something to that affect.
 
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What's Molly's Computer Skill in practice? Does 0 Mean she'd have to start from scratch or does that just mean she doesn't know anything about programming/Advanced Search techniques/etc. Or does 0 mean she doesn't have basic computer skills for somebody in 2006?

Zero means she can navigate the internet and use computers at the base level for someone of her generation. Computers 1 is where it is an actual usable skill that can be used on stuff like setting up a web page or making a small program in Basic, that kind of thing.
 
I don't see rosie being made a denarian its very very unlikely especially since she doesn't have much personal use and if its to get at molly or michael or harry just use someone like little harry.
Rosie by herself is not useful. Rosie as a kry to Molly is.
It would and it would again be all math problems, because they are mundane and not very interesting to your hell-forged sight. It would also be a very public way to make money since they do not hand those prizes anonymously
Huh. All math is incresibly broad (I would have thought that it's interesting and important enough that it would be burned by field of study, like combinatorics, probailoty theory, etc). We would need to think hard what the rprpoblem is best to solve.

Is physics the same? Ie do we burn physics as a whole, or do we burn particle physics, mechanics, plasma physics sepatately?
 
Rosie by herself is not useful. Rosie as a kry to Molly is.

Huh. All math is incresibly broad (I would have thought that it's interesting and important enough that it would be burned by field of study, like combinatorics, probailoty theory, etc). We would need to think hard what the rprpoblem is best to solve.

Is physics the same? Ie do we burn physics as a whole, or do we burn particle physics, mechanics, plasma physics sepatately?
shes really not since there are other sources like baby harry or one of our siblings. Also shes not all that useful once given a piece really.
also other than some denarians most are smart and nicodemus is actually really really smart and isn't just going to provoke us for no gain or reason.
 
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Rosie by herself is not useful. Rosie as a kry to Molly is.

Huh. All math is incresibly broad (I would have thought that it's interesting and important enough that it would be burned by field of study, like combinatorics, probailoty theory, etc). We would need to think hard what the rprpoblem is best to solve.

Is physics the same? Ie do we burn physics as a whole, or do we burn particle physics, mechanics, plasma physics sepatately?

It is not quite all math, it is 'all math problems' that is all questions of mathematics that Molly sees from purely academic perspective. If you are trying to use math to solve a riddle-door to a wizard's sanctum, chemistry to make a strong acid or physics to build a catapult that is another matter.
 
It is not quite all math, it is 'all math problems' that is all questions of mathematics that Molly sees from purely academic perspective. If you are trying to use math to solve a riddle-door to a wizard's sanctum, chemistry to make a strong acid or physics to build a catapult that is another matter.
how dare our power not listen to its empress if we think math problems are important it will care about every last math problem as if they were the secrets to the cosmos themselves!
 
It is not quite all math, it is 'all math problems' that is all questions of mathematics that Molly sees from purely academic perspective. If you are trying to use math to solve a riddle-door to a wizard's sanctum, chemistry to make a strong acid or physics to build a catapult that is another matter.
So, just as an example, if we look at a tokamak (fusion reactor) design, or a textbook about fusion, is the question "how to make this work" viable, even if modern physics still hasn't developed commercial fusion?
 
So, just as an example, if we look at a tokamak (fusion reactor) design, or a textbook about fusion, is the question "how to make this work" viable, even if modern physics still hasn't developed commercial fusion?

For things that would normally need an extended skill roll, in this case technology the Crown does not give you the answers, but it can tell you which dark spirit or mad scientist to shake down for the answer or which library to look into.
 
The subtext here isn't that she'll blow the money on video games and booze; it's that she isn't ready to be a parent and will fuck up what is actually a fairly complicated task.

In the process she'll also fuck up her own mental recovery and her attempts to actually finish growing up.

A mentally and emotionally unstable teenager kept up all hours of the night by their new baby will find something to fuck up.

You don't have to deliberately be an asshole to mess up a child, otherwise less people would have issues from their parents. The older they get the more complicated caring for them becomes.

For a case study in how one person's issues can impact their kids, take a look at Charity.

She's a good person and a fairly good mother; but she's a serious control freak for various reasons that drove Molly to act out and eventually run away.

Molly lived on the streets in the middle of winter rather than even speak to her mother.

Think about the snippets we've had so far on their relationship and then imagine a version of her that was significantly less emotionally mature and didn't have counterbalancing forces just as invested as she was in her daughter. That was utterly dependent on someone else because her support network save for one node fell apart.

Then add the spice that her only source of support is one of the people who hurt her the worst, but hasn't come clean yet.

There's an argument to be made that Charity starting a family less than three years after her trauma contributed to her issues with her firstborn daughter now even though she had her shit fairly well put together.

It's difficult to predict how the consequences of the last year will influence her personality, but I do think there will be things she needs to address. I'd expect it to be in most measures worse and more extreme than the problems Charity had.

I'm on board for the financial support, but unless we become her platonic Micheal and adopt the kid ourselves I don't think her keeping the child is a good idea.
Three points worth making
1) Reallife, a lot of kids dont get adopted.

2)IC, whether or not to keep the child is not Molly's decision to make. She can certainly decide for Rosie, but she would be using charms to do so.

3) The history of what happened to Maggie Dresden's foster family the Mendozas, and what happened with both Dresden and Elaine in the foster system suggest that fostering a child is not the safest proposition for someone connected to supernaturals.
There's already a target on their backs.

4) There are canon indications according to the RPG that Molly using black magic was the result of a lowkey plot by someone.

Sandra Marling was a parttime volunteer at the homeless shelter where Molly served community service for drug possession and befriended Molly there. She was also the chair of Splattercon, and the person who "coincidentally" mentioned the use of fear to bypass addictions to Molly, which got Molly looking into fear spells and mental magic.

According to the RPG, when Dresden went looking, she had vanished so thoroughly afterwards that Dresden, an experienced investigator with magical resources, wasnt able to find her afterwards. That means Rosie's condition is the intended result of someone's plan aimed at Molly.

If she puts any kids up for adoption, someone's going to be interested for leverage.

1)Okay, we have context for Rosie's background.
Golfing buddies is not a working class background at all, given that a golf club membership is easily four or five figures per year, which is more than some people's mortgage payments.

And the pull and resources to get her grades sorted sounds like they are upper middle class.
Definitely better off than the Carpenters, who are not themselves poor, even if Michael is a bluecollar worker.
Which may well be a source of friction with her mother if she's a social climber.

And even if she isnt, if you consider from Mrs Wilson's perspective Molly was arrested for misdemeanor drug possession. Thats enough reason for concern if you care about your kid and she's a drug user.
Then again, she might not know; juvenile criminal records are often sealed.

Gonna need social charms.

2)Rosie seems to be legally an adult, if she's graduating ahead of Molly.
Wonder if she has college plans.
I mean, UChicago IS right there.

3)Is Forthill sensing Molly spending Essence, or is he just detecting the presence of Usum?
He is canonically sensitive to the presence of spirits IIRC.
Or maybe he gets a situational buff.

Loling at Math being a predictable thorn in one's side.
Should probably look at buying down that Nightmare flaw.

technically couldn't we have used the crown on our math test for all the answers? I know I as an idiot would use cosmic power to cheat on math I don't disrespect the forbidden subject just knowing it myself is not on the menu.
If Academics is a significant concern?
We could spend 2XP to go from Academics 1 to Academics 2, which will take us from High School to College.
Another 4XP will take us from Academics 2 to Academics 3, which takes us to Masters level.

Or we could just say fuck it and spend 4XP on an Academics Excellency.
Mmm. Priests are usually called in when they suspect that a building is being haunted.
According to ghost detective shows at least :V he might know stuff.
Father Forthill canonically hunted down and killed at least one vampire when he was in the seminary IIRC.
He still has an Eye of Thoth tattoo on his forearm that he and a bunch of associates got.
He's also a qualified lawyer and is canonically able to sense the presence of spirits.

Dude is lowkey impressive.
When the Catholic church was looking for candidates to serve as the local parish priest and contact for the wielder of the Sword of Love, they sent their A-team. Dot underestimate him.
True though I'll note abortion wasn't a mentioned option among the ones she listed so the health complications don't really have anything to do with this. also spell check her not judging just telling ya I spell stuff wrong all the time.
Health complications are a routine element of a lot of pregnancies.
Everything from diabetes to cancer to strokes are a feature of many, many pregnancies, because carrying a second person inside your body is a very stressful event, and a lot of things can go wrong.

Nothing to do with abortion.
 
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[X] Does he know any charities that could help Rosie?

[X] The Church and and those in the know within it

[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon
- [X] find a way to ask more about Lashiel without implicating Harry. You have afterall already met her shadow.
 
Three points worth making
1) Reallife, a lot of kids dont get adopted.

2)IC, whether or not to keep the child is not Molly's decision to make. She can certainly decide for Rosie, but she would be using charms to do so.

3) The history of what happened to Maggie Dresden's foster family the Mendozas, and what happened with both Dresden and Elaine in the foster system suggest that fostering a child is not the safest proposition for someone connected to supernaturals.
There's already a target on their backs.

4) There are canon indications according to the RPG that Molly using black magic was the result of a lowkey plot by someone.

Sandra Marling was a parttime volunteer at the homeless shelter where Molly served community service for drug possession and befriended Molly there. She was also the chair of Splattercon, and the person who "coincidentally" mentioned the use of fear to bypass addictions to Molly, which got Molly looking into fear spells and mental magic.

According to the RPG, when Dresden went looking, she had vanished so thoroughly afterwards that Dresden, an experienced investigator with magical resources, wasnt able to find her afterwards. That means Rosie's condition is the intended result of someone's plan aimed at Molly.

If she puts any kids up for adoption, someone's going to be interested for leverage.


1)Okay, we have context for Rosie's background.
Golfing buddies is not a working class background at all, given that a golf club membership is easily four or five figures per year, which is more than some people's mortgage payments.

And the pull and resources to get her grades sorted sounds like they are upper middle class.
Definitely better off than the Carpenters, who are not themselves poor, even if Michael is a bluecollar worker.
Which may well be a source of friction with her mother if she's a social climber.

And even if she isnt, if you consider from Mrs Wilson's perspective Molly was arrested for misdemeanor drug possession. Thats enough reason for concern if you care about your kid and she's a drug user.
Then again, she might not know; juvenile criminal records are often sealed.

Gonna need social charms.

2)Rosie seems to be legally an adult, if she's graduating ahead of Molly.
Wonder if she has college plans.
I mean, UChicago IS right there.

3)Is Forthill sensing Molly spending Essence, or is he just detecting the presence of Usum?
He is canonically sensitive to the presence of spirits IIRC.
Or maybe he gets a situational buff.


Loling at Math being a predictable thorn in one's side.
Should probably look at buying down that Nightmare flaw.


If Academics is a significant concern?
We could spend 2XP to go from Academics 1 to Academics 2, which will take us from High School to College.
Another 4XP will take us from Academics 2 to Academics 3, which takes us to Masters level.

Or we could just say fuck it and spend 4XP on an Academics Excellency.

Father Forthill canonically hunted down and killed at least one vampire when he was in the seminary IIRC.
He still has an Eye of Thoth tattoo on his forearm that he and a bunch of associates got.
He's also a qualified lawyer and is canonically able to sense the presence of spirits.

Dude is lowkey impressive.
When the Catholic church was looking for candidates to serve as the local parish priest and contact for the wielder of the Sword of Love, they sent their A-team. Dot underestimate him.

Health complications are a routine element of a lot of pregnancies.
Everything from diabetes to cancer to strokes are a feature of many, many pregnancies, because carrying a second person inside your body is a very stressful event, and a lot of things can go wrong.

Nothing to do with abortion.
Like most of what you said so yeah don't much care for academics better go for CHARMS, excellencies, dots for other stuff like appearance, and especially ESSENCE. Now for the abortion stuff my bad you were bringing the other stuff up though it doesn't really have anything to do with the decision making since both scenarios involve her carrying the kid.
 
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What do you ask of Father Forthil?
Choose three:
VOTE
[X] Magic and what he has seen of it
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] The unquiet dead you've... heard they can linger in hospitals


REASON
There's only a few things that Forthill can potentially tell her about that she cant get most of from her father or from Dresden.
1)The Church.
2)The unquiet dead, because people still call priests for exorcisms.
3)His personal experience with the supernatural.
4)His personal and the Church's institutional experience with magic.
5)The church's experience with Denarians, and how they store Denarian coins.

Of these, 1,2 and 4 are most important to Molly.

The Church's knowledge about the supernatural helps her update her understanding of the international Masquerade.
Forthill's experience with magic helps reassure Molly anout her own magic, and helps her build an ethical framework for its use IC.
The unquiet dead, because Rosie is in hospital with a new magic talent and Usum specifically called them out as a threat.


Denarians? Her father is a world-class expert on the subject. Dresden is one of the experts on vampires and the Fae Courts.
Rosie's financial and social situation is not immediately urgent, and she can do both internet research and even talk to her mother before raising things with Forthill.


EDIT
Worth noting that Dresden sent Nelson to Forthill.
If she wants updates on where he is and what state he's in, she can ask him.
 
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[X] Magic and what he has seen of it
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] The unquiet dead you've... heard they can linger in hospitals
 
[X] Does he know any charities that could help Rosie?
[X] The unquiet dead you've... heard they can linger in hospitals
 
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[X] Does he know any charities that could help Rosie?
Rosie isnt poor. The latest update confirmed it.
Her mother's husband can afford golf club memberships. They're very well off.
She isnt from a poor family, and she isnt in immediate physical need in the short to mediumterm.

Her mother isnt pusing her to have an abortion. We have six months to deal with her mundane needs.

What she does have is a new magical talent that allowed her to divine Molly's distress from another dimension.
And she is in a place where our head demon is warning us is probably frequented by unquiet spirits and spirits of misery. And those things are known to predate on unprotected magicals.

Rosie's IMMEDIATE needs are magical, not mundane.
And it starts with figuring out how to deal with unquiet spirits in and around her hospital.
 
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Aug 5, 2022 at 11:43 AM, finished with 61 posts and 11 votes.
 
Yeah the whole charities thing is pretty stupid even if she was poor charities aren't permanent fixers. If anything charities are like alternative drugs where you go from one fix to another to stave off dying until the next charity except you know apositive thing. Just most aren't helpful at all long term. Even those that are charities cater to a thing most of the time. She's gonna be forced to go through anti drug things even when she's no longer addicted, then the help to get a job things which might not be needed, then the support for keeping.the baby charities which aren't much of a thing or to give them to adoption which doesn't help at all especially in this setting, and other stuff none of them are going to cater to all her needs. Meanwhile we have to actually look through all those things when we could just be helping her fix her problems.
 
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[X] Magic and what he has seen of it
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] The unquiet dead you've... heard they can linger in hospitals
 
[X] Magic and what he has seen of it
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon
 
[X] Magic and what he has seen of it
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] The unquiet dead you've... heard they can linger in hospitals


I would ask about the Denarians, but I think they get plenty of narrative space as it is, may as well mix things up a bit.
 
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