Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
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- Brazil
While I don't really care if this adds victory I just want to point out that I think this is a bit redundant, what Olivia always wanted was a power up to be able to defend herself or others from the monsters. If we, at the moment she asked for our help, had IDU and offered her that same choice, she would instantly choose IDU without blinking, as it would give her the power now instead of months or years later.
Either she'll want the instant power up or she'll wait months in training, and I don't want to hear from anyone about wasting our precious reagents or our even more precious AP to create things for her. If she refuses the IDU, she'll have to make do with the training and equipping of our Court, or having to actually swear loyalty to us to make for the cost.
I'm tired of giving powerful free gifts with no solid return instead of "gratitude" or "maybe I think better of you" things like that, which is the feeling I had after many deals we made and whose results have never impacted the narrative of the quest since then, in other words, it didn't show that we won a lot of money for our efforts.
I fully understand that, I just wanted her to know that there are options. Also we should be asking for things from people that have things like the Library of Congress or winter or summer or the white Council. Olivia is a minor member of a minor order of minor talents that we picked up. She has nothing worth giving us maybe her ancestor does but that's questionable, to be frank we're using her as essentially a human experiment at this point yeah be the first human to learn our demon martial arts and also be exposed to our demon making charms.
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Thanks I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
You right.
[x] Sure, you did promise Olivia five months ago
[X] Sure, you did promise Olivia five months ago
Stuff like our deal with the Archive happened because the thread as a whole failed the reading comprehension check realize we should barter multiple times in the same event. Which is something we should be better about, but wasn't exactly intentional.
With the thing in Vegas, it's worth noting that the other players involved thought our ask was significant enough to send a letter to the inquisition and presumably the pope to talk about it. Which is independent of the gains we made in terms of establishing a foundation to achieve some of our goals relating to mortals.
We didn't ride out with a chest of loot in the trunk of our car, other than the bodies and duffel bag of cash we got as a "please don't eat me" present from that priestess, but we did make everyone else do what we wanted and pinned the deal in place with something they won't give up on.
Even setting aside the ritual we stopped, it's difficult to quantify just how many lives will be saved by the liar's dice. The flesh trade is going to go down the drain, monsters in the city under the increasingly heavy boot of the feds, and the worst excesses of the gambling industry no longer have unmovable backing. All specifically because the sin eater doesn't need a cesspool to feed on and isn't going to contest the mortal government setting up shop on his lawn.
Our involvement in that will in turn become a lever to effect more change as well; I expect to be seeing political residuals from this for a while.
Writing off influence as some nebulous gratitude instead of the attention and investment of people with power in listening to you is dismissing a great deal of value. Give it a few weeks to months to settle a bit and we could leverage what we got out of this into meaningfully influencing federal policy all on our own.
That is significantly harder to acquire than a few pallets of cash and some vampire skulls or what have you.
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I'm not interested in spending significant resources here, but I think you're misconstruing a lot of what we've done.
Stuff like our deal with the Archive happened because the thread as a whole failed the reading comprehension check realize we should barter multiple times in the same event. Which is something we should be better about, but wasn't exactly intentional.
With the thing in Vegas, it's worth noting that the other players involved thought our ask was significant enough to send a letter to the inquisition and presumably the pope to talk about it. Which is independent of the gains we made in terms of establishing a foundation to achieve some of our goals relating to mortals.
We didn't ride out with a chest of loot in the trunk of our car, other than the bodies and duffel bag of cash we got as a "please don't eat me" present from that priestess, but we did make everyone else do what we wanted and pinned the deal in place with something they won't give up on.
Even setting aside the ritual we stopped, it's difficult to quantify just how many lives will be saved by the liar's dice. The flesh trade is going to go down the drain, monsters in the city under the increasingly heavy boot of the feds, and the worst excesses of the gambling industry no longer have unmovable backing. All specifically because the sin eater doesn't need a cesspool to feed on and isn't going to contest the mortal government setting up shop on his lawn.
Our involvement in that will in turn become a lever to effect more change as well; I expect to be seeing political residuals from this for a while.
Writing off influence as some nebulous gratitude instead of the attention and investment of people with power in listening to you is dismissing a great deal of value. Give it a few weeks to months to settle a bit and we could leverage what we got out of this into meaningfully influencing federal policy all on our own.
That is significantly harder to acquire than a few pallets of cash and some vampire skulls or what have you.
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We know what the solar deliberative was and how the primordial war was fought, more or less. It wasn't a space opera conflict.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
We do???
It's not actually true the details of the actual War are very sparse. There's a reason why there are a bunch of arguments about how and why the exalted fought and won their war with the primordials. Whether those be arguments thematic or logistical. Never mind the fact that Gunstar Autocathonia exist and doesn't make any change is to the charm set except adding more charms and seems to suggest that it's a possible past of creation where the exalted lose might also suggest that yes space used to be a thing.
Correction it was not remembered as a space conflict. Nobody could remember what was destroyed. We know how the war would have played out absent 90% of creation concepts, not how it actually went down. But it is just like how charms work Effect then Cause, with cause just being a made up justification made by reality after the Effect had already happen Exnilo.
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More or less. Or we know at least it wasn't starwars and more Hercules labor.
See above.
I don't hold any stock in gunstar being canon to actual creation. It could just as easily be a world that has a full universe sure but
If uncertainty is the only refuge the primordials have than i feel confident putting mages above them.
Especially since mages can keep record of things that have been retconed like lord vargo. And can actually reintroduced concepts if they want. Exalted can't even try and break their paradigm if they can't do the same.
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That's my problem, I may not have spent that much time in IC to see the tremors from that, but I definitely feel like it's gone OC. I know intellectually that our artifact exchanges had a big impact, but because it didn't appear in the narrative or was mentioned by other characters, etc. I didn't get emotional satisfaction from it (not helped by the fact that sometimes our arcs go on for too long).
I know it's not entirely rational but quests for me have always been about the pleasure of seeing and feeling the protagonist's narrative impacts on the world, which I feel is missing. That's why I wanted the clones so much, because with them we could see and make decisions about our kingdom, meet the alphas, see the sihi that will start to appear next month, etc.
I think this also has to do with a lack of an important resource that I've already gotten used to in the quest: the rumor mill, which is generally what shows what impacts our decisions have caused and future plot bait. I've already asked DP about it and this needs AP to be established but I don't think it will ever happen because it's not a priority, after all I've been trying for some time to convince people to choose the thousand eyes which is just one AP too but gives us much more influence, security and information in Chigado, unfortunately I always failed.
I'll try again next turn, making a plan with rumors + a thousand eyes on it (even though it's very likely that I'll fail again).
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
In which book though? Because this really is the first I am hearing about this. All I remember is the 3 Spheres Catacylism and Gunstar Auto, which is as much canon as any other supplement.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Are you saying that space opera is inherently the measurement of strengths? Because Exalted not having guns or such has always just been a matter of theme. The Death Star's ability to destroy a planet the story doesn't care about is insignificant compared to the power of an Exalted to actually matter. The setting is just window dressing.
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The Neverborn are dead, and the Yozi certainly could remember/recreate stuff if they wanted, if it wasn't for the whole lobotomy of all creativity, ablity to grow or change the exalted did to them.
And we know for a fact that the primordial war was a proper time war as even with all the lobtimztions of the Yozi the exalted did they where still fearful enough, they made the Yozi surrender oaths explicitly preclude any time travel, it also one of only things the Solars made the Neverborn have to enforce as well.
Its scattered bits Things like dreams of the first Age and thr malfeas book.
Yes but i am comparing their biggest act, creation of Creation, to the mages universe. Narratively it is exactly right for its story.
Sure but we also have full primordials in Autocathonia and gaia.
Personally I think this is ridiculous, creator gods being inherently inferior to mortals on the basis of white wolf being bad at mechanics is nonsense. The point of the ascension war is to become able to effect reality like the primordials can as a matter of course.
That said, this is also irrelevant to us. We're borrowing some mechanical elements of WoD for representing the Dresden Files, but wizards aren't actually WoD mages. The limits and nature of their powers simply aren't the same.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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That's what I mean you are comparing using the wrong measurement stick. Bigness doesn't matter when you are talking about concept magic and don't even pay lip service to E=MC2. But real problem is then we are just comparing words on the pages of splat books and deciding which one has priority. I feel like the theme of Exalted should apply wherever Exalted stand* and you disagree.
*otherwise why even bother with an Exalted crossover? Just pick any Asian themed marshal arts heros.
Edit: Reading though your posts. I think that we are actually in agreement so nevermind.
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Yes i was just justifying why mages should be able to mess with exaltation.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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It really shouldn't be possible for Molly to use IDU without triggering her urge. Any COD that we create with IDU is implicitly bound to our service by the fact that we can rip the darkness right back out causing 7 unsoakable agg damage when that kills about all valid targets for the charm.
But awe lasts around Molly because she is awesome. If this was one of the solar charms that reduces all social DC all the time with everyone would we even be arguing this?
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Do we deal 7 levels or 7 dice of unsoakable damage?
Cause the latter is extremely likely to be survivable, though probably crippling for a long time for a mortal.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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-but this inflicts a number of levels of aggravated damage equal to (7 - the Essence the Exalt opts to spend undoing her curse).-
Sounds like just straight damage. Although it doesn't actually say unsoakable. Not that it matters when the targets for IDU can't soak agg.