BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Clones made by the base charm are capturable. I'm not sure what you mean here.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well there was talk about capturing souls and I know that our perfectly loyal clones wouldn't cooperate with that unless Molly told them to.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I don't have any issues with using the Charm on Daniel, but from a purely Molly POV, it would make sense if she used it on a non-loved one as a test before even mentioning it to her brother.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
The clones would have part of Molly's soul in them. Capture the clone and you've captured the soul traveling inside.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
But they also are not going to cooperate with you in any way and curses don't flow well uphill.
The canon clone charm leaves no body to fuck with.
And I'll point out that Fortune Path Sorcery has Death Curse as a Tier 1 Ritual.
We just prioritize learning that now that we have Alchemy 4.
COMMENTARY
Rashid showed up personally? Huh.
I would have thought that the Fae would have sent an emissary instead because Rashid would have been too busy.
Maybe he could see them massing and moved in advance. Or maybe the Fae went looking for Sanya; I cant imagine a situation serious enough to bring Amoracchius to the Gates without bringing Esperacchius as well.
Lol Principal Clark.
Isabella is turning into one of the breakout OCs of this quest so far.
I wonder how Vegas is being received in the White Court, and precisely how smug Lara Raith is currently being behind closed doors. Even House Skavis is looking at a city where their erstwhile collaborators have been evicted, giving them space to expand with their only competitors being the Wyldfae and mundane organized crime, as long as they stay within the lines.
Terrible idea.
Turning your younger brother into someone that suffers a +2DC to social with you is very contraindicated to social amity.
Great way to blow up a family dynamic we have spent significant effort reestablishing. And it looks terrible to outside observers to boot; looks like you are minionizing your family members, which is the sort of thing warlocks are known for.
He has alternative options that arent available to others, just by being Molly's brother.
Let him use those; he's already using some of them.
He is 16-17. Not an adult by any means.
And we arent obliged to help him do stuff that we think isnt good for him. He's getting actual training, not just in fighting good but in the other, more important parts of the job right now. Like threat assessment, investigation, de-escalation and actual getting people to talk to you. Being swole is far and away the least important part of the job.
When we think he's not a danger to himself or others, we can reforge that akuma sword, and give him a guardian arcana as a 5-dot Iron Man/Venom/Blue Beetle suit. But only when we think he can carry it safely.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I've no idea what your trying to argue here. Obviously a clone would be kidnapped without its consent and you can do more with such a focus than simply use it for curses. Like potentially tracking the originals location with it or trying for a summoning you could possibly bypass the name requirement with such a potent focus, and that's simply what comes off the top of my head.
[X] Sure, you did promise Olivia five months ago
A bit curious if Olivia is still up for this, considering Molly did give her access to the Court for training. But I guess we can still ask.
A bit curious if Olivia is still up for this, considering Molly did give her access to the Court for training. But I guess we can still ask.
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And then the clone just death curses them and they regret their stupidity. Death curses of the Fortune path count as 2 dot higher then your current path rating. So even a 1 dot a Clone could hit anybody with.
••• A major setback or bonus. Temporary but grave illnesses and serious social faux pas are the most common curses, while finding helpful bureaucrats, success with gambling or relationships, or an additional die to combat pools are the most common blessings.
•••• Now the blessings and curses can have serious and permanent effects. Debilitating injuries, bankruptcy, a social tragedy that leaves the target a pariah, winning the lottery, surviving almost certain death, or just a chance encounter that changes the target's social standing are all possible.
And at 3 dots of Fortune path death curse hits at level 5 which start getting into you just die, or wish your where dead level
••••• Curses at this level almost always result in a painful and unusual death. Targets get decapitated, suffer incurable wasting illnesses, experience horrific car accidents, and more. Blessings are similarly dramatic, such as being rescued from state execution by a call from the governor. Other last-minute saves from certain death are possible, but also victories far rarer than one in a million: An enemy in combat may trip and break their neck, the beneficiary might find a lost tome in a used bookstore bargain bin, or they could win political office with no name recognition.
Another thing with BMI that I hadn't considered; since it lasts until we flare our anima and can look like anything we can be a lot more obvious and weird with our day to day kit.
We use our current armor because Molly has to go out in public, but we could wear something beefier and designed to trigger BSM without it actually being a problem anymore.
It also probably negates the issues of regenerating where someone can see us; it isn't broken by injury, so either BMI fakes injuries or we "miraculously" never appear to be harmed while it's active*. So we can leave EIPP's healing on all the time to handle surprises.
Incidentally, do we know how it interacts with size changing? It's an illusion, but the fluff could be taken as a more through shaping effect. If Molly becomes someone a foot shorter than she is and someone shoot over her apparent head the bullet hitting something would be a flaw in the illusion giving the game away.
* Also fun for pre flare fights; mostly we don't actually get hurt, but people do see stuff like our armor melting or taking scratch damage. Appearing to be totally unharmed is a social lever all its own.
We use our current armor because Molly has to go out in public, but we could wear something beefier and designed to trigger BSM without it actually being a problem anymore.
It also probably negates the issues of regenerating where someone can see us; it isn't broken by injury, so either BMI fakes injuries or we "miraculously" never appear to be harmed while it's active*. So we can leave EIPP's healing on all the time to handle surprises.
Incidentally, do we know how it interacts with size changing? It's an illusion, but the fluff could be taken as a more through shaping effect. If Molly becomes someone a foot shorter than she is and someone shoot over her apparent head the bullet hitting something would be a flaw in the illusion giving the game away.
* Also fun for pre flare fights; mostly we don't actually get hurt, but people do see stuff like our armor melting or taking scratch damage. Appearing to be totally unharmed is a social lever all its own.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
[X] Sure, you did promise Olivia five months ago
Perhaps I agree that this may require additional effort. The only question is whether this will be part of the system for creating clones through spending essences on this special feature or other systems such as third-party Charms or crafting. But I see how we can solve the problem using other methods.
I know. I replaced the destruction mechanism for my version only because where bodies were created separately and therefore disintegrate into inert ectoplasm. But yes, I'm also talking about the living clone material.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I hadn't considered that either. That is a cool benefit.
Too many to list, but attribute increases beyond human limits is one. Although I think that we might also be able to grant Jade Vampire powers from how Molly is talking about the Po soul. I don't know what the scale between @DragonParadox doing all the character creation work and us doing it is going to be.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Or the captured clone is kept in a debilitated state where it can't use magic to fire off a curse, such as unconsciousness, and the enemy gets what they want out of it.
Can't help but notice your not arguing that a captured clone with part of Molly's soul would be of no use to our enemies anymore. Your instead going "what if we give the clone this thing then" when that wasn't even what we were discussing before. You had said the clones in of themselves would be useless to our enemies.
They become a fomori with all the hassles of random power that entails. We can reroll by removing the effect it just causes 7 Agg -1 per essence spent when undoing the curse. That being said if we need to kill someone under the effect we can easily.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
It awakens their Po Soul, giving them greater CHI reserves and the ability to use Demon Arts without any ill effects, i.e more demon Chi as well.
The Ability to allow people to use demon arts with little to no downsides is a significant power.
As in companion levels of power. This would catapult Molly's brother and Olivia as potential circle members. Keep in mind that the Qaios allow mortals to contend with the Kindred of the East. Maybe not on an equal basis but as a power on to their own.
Add safe to use demon arts into that mix and you have a significant power. Both as individuals and as groups. Mook spam is a viable tactic and the ability to spam Mooks who are a mix of two splats or at least half of one is a significant ability.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Yep, just another benefit of the Charm. We can just go about our day to day business in serious combat armor, with a bandolier of FFCF-sourced grenades, another of magical potions, and a plasma pistol on our hip, all while looking like we're in standard muggle cloths to everyone we encounter.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Of course if Molly awakens someone's Po soul they better remain loyal to her or they are going to become a hungry dead.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Nah. They just loose their power and get hurt.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
So what kind of instant power-ups are we looking for for Olivia? She's already got stealth handled and FFCF equipment can cover offense and aid in defense.
Attribute boosts, combat regeneration, flight, etc.? Are those truly randomly assigned, forcing us to revert unwanted changes, or is there some manner of guidance we can exert on the Charm?
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
Or deceive the enemy about how heavily armored the molly is. Of course, this requires a target who does not know about her super durability... But in any case, this allows us to hide the armor and its weak points until the moment of an anima flare... Or simply arrange a transformation of the magical infernal maiden and roll out our combat outfit from under the illusion.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Only if Molly is there to do that. Ripping the power away is an active action on her part. Then again I don't see anything stopping Molly from doing it at a distance.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
This not only unlocks MA from Molly's world for them but also Demon Arts.
In addition, it also acts as a huge Chi reservoir and it does not have the normal downside of the Po soul trying to take over as per DragonParadox's statement.
So all in all it gives the person who has awakened it,
Black Wind which is basically Celerity but not as good as it does not add dice and what it does is generally not worth it in comparison except you need only spend 1 resource to take many actions so it trades off power for efficiency.
Demon Shintai = Devil form similar to Molly's shintai. No new health Bar and not as good as a stat boost but grants extra dots and new mutations.
Iron Mountain = Fortitude but again rather than add dice, it reduces soak difficulty. To 2. Yeah, then it adds sux if it would reduce it below 2. So arguably better than Fortitude.
Kiai, shouting to get buffs. Not a huge fan of this one tbh.
This is on top of whatever Martial Arts available from Molly's inner world.