You would not lose charms, just total mote pool size and how much of it you can spend per round.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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You would not lose charms, just total mote pool size and how much of it you can spend per round.
No it doesn't because exalted versus World of Darkness it just reduces the amount of essence we have not the types of charms we can use though there is a point to be made about that really reducing the effectiveness of having a bunch of charms.
Edit: dragon ninja
Something like this, only perhaps even more so. Alphas at least know the general shape of things, like fae courts existing, and their queens being a thing. I was thinking even more low level. Like Scooby-Doo tier, where most monsters are, in fact, old white men doing this for insurance fraud reasons.
Still, this reminds me, we should talk to Alphas soonish, lest they do something rash that will annoy everyone involved. Because they are Harry's friends, and he is clearly in trouble.
Like I said, I like Splintered Gale Incarnation.
It was my initial plan to buy Inner Devils Unchained this turn and Splintered Gale next turn. I am willing to commit to voting for Splintered Gale next turn.
But given the current situation, and the lessons thereof, I think Black Mirror is more important as an immediate buy.
Both for how it affects our diplomatic situation, and how it affects our tactical/combat situation.
Simply making it that much more difficult to track Molly when she isnt pumping her anima banner on blast complicates the tactical picture for a lot of potential enemies.
And forces them to step back and consider what just happened.
Black Mirror is a waste of XP the Spell Disguise the New Face does the same thing with just asking you have some pictures of the people you want to impersonate.
Ah.
Yup.
Going to note that Billy and George were the only people who, besides Michael, knew that Harry was carrying a Denarian Coin.
He showed them Lasciel's mark during the events of
They are very good friends of his, even though they are five to ten years younger than he is.
He plays regular notDnD sessions with since the end of Summer Knight almost five years ago.
He was invited to their wedding last year or the year before. He saved them from Jenny Greenteeth.
This is probably something that BMI will help with actually.
Which is what helped tilt me to voting for it.
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BoredMan
It seems there was some brain damage after all
...Do you mind posting the description of the spell? Not everyone is going to know what your talking about off the bat.
No problem
The sorcerer reweaves herself or someone else to take on the physical likeness of another. This spell requires ten minutes of ritual steps and gestures, focused on either the target (if being cast on another) or on a mirror (if the sorcerer is transforming herself), along with a rendering of the likeness of the one whose appearance is to be assumed. In the Age of Legends, it
may be assumed that a portrait of some sort was used (and indeed this still works), but today this spell is more likely to use a photograph of some kind. At the spell's culmination the photograph or other depiction erupts into silver flames, which spread over the target (or the sorcerer) and burns away their flesh. When the ashes fall, a new body exactly matching the likeness in the consumed photograph is left behind. Since this spell consumes whatever medium bears the likeness to be copied, sorcerers are advised to print out digital photos, rather than simply using a cell phone or tablet as a focus for the spell.
System: Spend 4 Essence and make an extended Manipulation + Occult roll against difficulty 8. Upon accumulating ten successes, the subject is transformed, their body becoming a perfect duplicate of someone else. This transformation lasts for (sorcerer's Essence rating) days
may be assumed that a portrait of some sort was used (and indeed this still works), but today this spell is more likely to use a photograph of some kind. At the spell's culmination the photograph or other depiction erupts into silver flames, which spread over the target (or the sorcerer) and burns away their flesh. When the ashes fall, a new body exactly matching the likeness in the consumed photograph is left behind. Since this spell consumes whatever medium bears the likeness to be copied, sorcerers are advised to print out digital photos, rather than simply using a cell phone or tablet as a focus for the spell.
System: Spend 4 Essence and make an extended Manipulation + Occult roll against difficulty 8. Upon accumulating ten successes, the subject is transformed, their body becoming a perfect duplicate of someone else. This transformation lasts for (sorcerer's Essence rating) days
BlaCK mirror inCarnation (•••••)
The Infernal breathes upon the black mirror of
her heart, and becomes someone else.
System: The Infernal spends 1 Essence, spends a moment concentrating, and dons a perfect illusion which causes her to appear to be someone else. This can be either a real person, or a fictitious individual of the Infernal's devising. This illusion fools all five senses. Deduction may reveal the Infernal for an impostor, but imperfections in the disguise itself never will. The illusion persists until the Infernal reflexively dismisses it, or until her anima flares.
The Infernal breathes upon the black mirror of
her heart, and becomes someone else.
System: The Infernal spends 1 Essence, spends a moment concentrating, and dons a perfect illusion which causes her to appear to be someone else. This can be either a real person, or a fictitious individual of the Infernal's devising. This illusion fools all five senses. Deduction may reveal the Infernal for an impostor, but imperfections in the disguise itself never will. The illusion persists until the Infernal reflexively dismisses it, or until her anima flares.
Yeah, you are incorrect.
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Disguise The New Face
disguise of the new face
The sorcerer reweaves herself or someone else to take on the physical likeness of another. This spell requires ten minutes of ritual steps and gestures, focused on either the target (if being cast on another) or on a mirror (if the sorcerer is transforming herself), along with a rendering of the likeness of the one whose appearance is to be assumed. In the Age of Legends, it may be assumed that a portrait of some sort was used (and indeed this still works), but today this spell is more likely to use a photograph of some kind. At the spell's culmination the photograph or other depiction erupts into silver flames, which spread over the target (or the sorcerer) and burns away their flesh. When the ashes fall, a new body exactly matching the likeness in the consumed photograph is left behind.
Since this spell consumes whatever medium bears the likeness to be copied, sorcerers are advised to print out digital photos, rather than simply using a cell phone or tablet as a focus for the spell.
System: Spend 4 Essence and make an extended Manipulation + Occult roll against difficulty 8. Upon accumulating ten successes, the subject is transformed, their body becoming a perfect duplicate of someone else. This transformation lasts for (sorcerer's Essence rating) days.
The sorcerer reweaves herself or someone else to take on the physical likeness of another. This spell requires ten minutes of ritual steps and gestures, focused on either the target (if being cast on another) or on a mirror (if the sorcerer is transforming herself), along with a rendering of the likeness of the one whose appearance is to be assumed. In the Age of Legends, it may be assumed that a portrait of some sort was used (and indeed this still works), but today this spell is more likely to use a photograph of some kind. At the spell's culmination the photograph or other depiction erupts into silver flames, which spread over the target (or the sorcerer) and burns away their flesh. When the ashes fall, a new body exactly matching the likeness in the consumed photograph is left behind.
Since this spell consumes whatever medium bears the likeness to be copied, sorcerers are advised to print out digital photos, rather than simply using a cell phone or tablet as a focus for the spell.
System: Spend 4 Essence and make an extended Manipulation + Occult roll against difficulty 8. Upon accumulating ten successes, the subject is transformed, their body becoming a perfect duplicate of someone else. This transformation lasts for (sorcerer's Essence rating) days.
Black mirror incarnation (•••••)
The Infernal breathes upon the black mirror of her heart, and becomes someone else.
System: The Infernal spends 1 Essence, spends a moment concentrating, and dons a perfect illusion which causes her to appear to be someone else. This can be either a real person, or a fictitious individual of the Infernal's devising. This illusion fools all five senses. Deduction may reveal the Infernal for an impostor, but imperfections in the disguise itself never will. The illusion persists until the Infernal reflexively dismisses it, or until her anima flares.
The Infernal breathes upon the black mirror of her heart, and becomes someone else.
System: The Infernal spends 1 Essence, spends a moment concentrating, and dons a perfect illusion which causes her to appear to be someone else. This can be either a real person, or a fictitious individual of the Infernal's devising. This illusion fools all five senses. Deduction may reveal the Infernal for an impostor, but imperfections in the disguise itself never will. The illusion persists until the Infernal reflexively dismisses it, or until her anima flares.
Disguise of the New Face: 10 minute ritual, costs 4m of Essence per use, requires portrait or picture of person. 10XP
Black Mirror Incarnation: Instant change, 1m cost, can change into real people or fictitious ones, no components req. 15XP
Disguise of the New Face's primary utility is in transforming other people.
For disguising yourself, BMI is grossly superior in almost every way.
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Give that Molly raidiates like a nuclear bomb to anybody with magical senses, and neither stop her being magically detected, against anybody that matters both are useless for Molly.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
DP has previously confirmed that BMI can perfectly conceal our supernatural nature, including the Aura of Nuclear Doom, against any sensory powers short of direct observation from a Wizard's Sight.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I don't see us needing to disguise ourselves often enough to make Black Mirror worth it. I also expect that if anyone finds out we can hide our aura of infernal majesty we might have a bit of a diplomatic crisis with extremely concerned wizards.
To be fair they might shrug it off, and it's not like we need to care a ton about their opinions, but I also kind of like the aura and how it constrains our behavior.
To be fair they might shrug it off, and it's not like we need to care a ton about their opinions, but I also kind of like the aura and how it constrains our behavior.
Can someone explain what are the actual plans for BMI use? Because from my perspective, BMI, as great a charm as it is in vacuum, is either redundant or actively self-defeating in Molly's current situation.
As I understand it, there are two main scenarios:
1) Conceal Molly's infernal status, and DPE. We have ATP. BMI is longer, yes, and allows for easier social interaction, but it's essentially the same functionality
2) Disguise as someone else / use it for stealth. The core flaw of BMI is that it can be reasoned through, and doesn't edit memories. People can deduce that it was Molly in disguise. Which makes it detrimental to use, because after one, two, or three uses, our enemies will figure out that we have a perfect disguise charm. And while I don't believe that Anduriel is watching us sleep right now, they will be forced to observe Molly 24/7 once they learn of this charm's existence.
Basically, BMI is a great charm, but we can't use it often or almost any time, except in emergencies or situations where we can be certain that there will be no witnesses or records.
As I understand it, there are two main scenarios:
1) Conceal Molly's infernal status, and DPE. We have ATP. BMI is longer, yes, and allows for easier social interaction, but it's essentially the same functionality
2) Disguise as someone else / use it for stealth. The core flaw of BMI is that it can be reasoned through, and doesn't edit memories. People can deduce that it was Molly in disguise. Which makes it detrimental to use, because after one, two, or three uses, our enemies will figure out that we have a perfect disguise charm. And while I don't believe that Anduriel is watching us sleep right now, they will be forced to observe Molly 24/7 once they learn of this charm's existence.
Basically, BMI is a great charm, but we can't use it often or almost any time, except in emergencies or situations where we can be certain that there will be no witnesses or records.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
It's such a bad comparison that I would almost expect ulterior motives...
There have literally been dozens of times in the quest so far where we would have used BMI if we had it available. Either to change Molly's appearance to something more appropriate for a situation, to disguise her appearance, or to hide her aura.
Black Mirror Incarnation is terrible for diplomacy. Hello I'm Molly Carpenter a powerful peer to He Who Walks before and behind or a powerful akuma or devil and I am fully capable of fooling your senses despite standing right in front of you with your sensory power active.
Holy shit are you serious that's fucking terrible if we ever engage in diplomacy with that on everyone will immediately think they're going insane / go insane from paranoia no one would ever trust us again because suddenly the entire power display that we've been putting on of being a cloud of darkness is a choice rather than something we just are.
Suddenly places have way more stringent security when they think they're on Molly's bad side because suddenly oh Molly Carpenter is not going to appear in a storm cloud of negative energy no she'll be wearing her own face or the face of someone you know if they can tell it's Transformation Magic that allows us to hide our aura and be ready for that we should never ever outside of a tactical situation or need to hide use Black Mirror incarnation.
Not to mention the fact the first time we drop Black Mirror Incarnation after conducting diplomacy with someone who didn't know that we felt like that is going to feel betrayed like oh shit I just made a deal with the Devil. Or a greater Akuma just ran me for my pockets.
This has been litigated before, and ruled on by the QM.
BMI hides Molly's doom aura.
^^^
Everytime we used Rendered Villain Dispersal to teleport by water, we roll for alerting everybody in the vicinity that Molly just travelled from Chicago.
This was explicitly a plot point when we went to assassinate Arianna, and the Fellowship of St Giles tracked us down to the airport and we almost had a gunfight there with the people who thought they were defending mortals from a bigass monster.
If the Reds had been more on the ball, that would have warned Arianna off.
Everytime we use RVD, we will have it active, so we can pass through the area without alerting every spirit within five hundred miles that something Big just passed through the local waters.
Again, see Mexico for how that almost turned out.
And it means we can avoid leaving magic traces for people to check, like they did in Vegas when we showed up.
Then when we are talking to minor talents, we can do so without a malus.
See Pauline Moskowitz; if you notice our first contact with her, we had to roll more than 10 successes to get her to sit down, or she would have fled, despite Michael literally being beside us.
Then when we get Splintered Gale clones, it makes it that much harder for enemies to differentiate.
That both obfuscates what Molly is doing at any given time, and it makes the clones much safer, since our enemies wont know which is full fat Molly Prime with all the smoke.
AND it makes it harder for them to plan around cities where Molly has a known presence.
And for just one mundane application:
Molly can change her hair color, texture and appearance at will.
And that was something that Molly allegedly learned alchemy for in canon iirc, so its important to her.
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We have ATP for that.
That's self-defeating and forces those who aren't watching us right now to watch us 24/7. And when those minor talents observe us without BMI, that malus is coming back in force, and worse than before.
It doesn't. Clones get passives, so they should get DPE, and should feel just like normal Molly. In fact, clones would be unable to disguise themselves with BMI, which makes it easier, not harder, to separate Molly and her clone.
It forces Anduriel, He Who Walks Behind, and USA government to have eyes on Molly at all times.
The Reds in general were unlikely to have known that Arianna had acted against you. Generally speaking one does not call on Broken Seeker's ilk publicly, they are not known for sticking to the niceties of the modern world so it would have been as likely as not that he ate some of her allies as her enemies just for sticking around unless she made a very specific deal with him, the kind of deal Skinwalkers rarely like to make.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
As I see it, this mirror allows us to clar kenting, allows us to bypass the problem of radiation like a nuclear explosion in the center of the city, perhaps allows us to not alert every damn spirit in the water and allows us to stealth operations like someone else. It's expensive, but it might be worth it if we're fighting in enemy territory or against enemies that can't be deterred. These are quite large areas where the advantage is irreplaceable.
As for clones, I want to ask DragonParadox about the possibility of making a homebrew version of the charm. As a start to homebrew, charm modifications seem reasonable to me.
As for clones, I want to ask DragonParadox about the possibility of making a homebrew version of the charm. As a start to homebrew, charm modifications seem reasonable to me.
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BoredMan
It seems there was some brain damage after all
They would being doing so regardless if they can lol.
Actually, I don't think so. They have limited attention span / possession slots. And Molly is "loud" enough that they can afford not to watch her 24/7, because it's noticeable when she starts to move. That goes out of the window if we get BMI and start using it.
That would be reasonable sure.
- Location
- Canada
Goon #1: Now, there's a 75% chance that the girl over there is just a normal human, if one with the potential to be a wizard.
Goon #2: What about the 25% chance?
Goon #1: There's a 25% chance that we're staring at the unholy god-killing spawn of a Dragon and an Archdevil.
Goon #2: ... let's go home.
BoredMan
It seems there was some brain damage after all
You just voted to have Molly tell everyone she has control over an entire nation/world. She is getting 24/7 surveillance from the US Gov while on American soil period.
Edit: Oh yeah for the others maybe but we are going to be getting that premium surveillance from the Gov at least. All of our internet activity anything they think they can get away with. We should put a cyberdevil in our computer.
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