Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I think you just ignored my comment... Going into Molly's world would also allow us to regen a bit. It depends on how much info we want on her plans before going in.
That takes more time, and costs 2 Essence too, before we get into the regeneration.

Ultimately I still think Sandra is most likely a relatively squishy human, compared to ancient vampires and spirit-monsters we killed before.

A direct confrontation plays to our strengths, while letting her activate more of her prepared plans plays to hers.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree on the crafting speed one. But the Mind hand manipulation and using it with craft.

That is still not how abilities work. If you are coding it doesn't matter what your coding with you still use computer it may increase the difficulty or if you're doing other things while doing it may decrease the dice pool you have available but you're still using the computer ability.

If you're investing you're still using the finance ability doesn't matter if you're at a terminal in Wall Street or using a newspaper from home. Mind hand manipulation along with any other charm that might extend reach do not affect ability charms.

They might allow you to apply abilities at a greater range than is specifically initially possible but they do not change the abilities that you use to perform those tasks and when you perform a task and you have a specific Excellency it can work no matter how you're performing said task as long as it's covered by said ability.
There actually sort of is a limit in this in this case. If you check my original post I referenced a ruling from a series on crafting with MHM.

As a consequence of its interaction with TTC we can use it on craft things happening simultaneously in a significant area* before the passive speed boost even comes into play.

To my understanding that is why this was possible. Potentially with a dash of CCoP since we have some rulings on a nebulous improvement on any crafting Molly does now that she has it. If we lacked TTC we wouldn't have been dexterous enough to try craft or had the synergy to do it all simultaneously instead of one target at a time.

We do have it so there's no practical difference for our purposes, but the justification is important in terms of future impact. For example, it'd be perfectly reasonable in my view if DP required us to actually activate TTC to use that synergy instead of being allowed to do so based on its passive effects.

* Build your own battleship or dome over the Chicago area big
 
Thinking back to the solar and abyssal exaltation pair. If their containers are properly connected such that unleashing one unleashes the other, then basic wizarding thaumaturgy should be able to pick up on that connection. Should help in tracking down the one that we don't know the location of if we don't want to use our crown. That connection would presumably allow it to work as the foci for a question.
 
As I don't think this is a distraction and minutes matter, I think I'll go with

[X] Wait for the feds and try to negotiate a solution that ends with the domestic terrorists in custody and you with your answers from a few minutes of questioning
 
Ultimately I still think Sandra is most likely a relatively squishy human, compared to ancient vampires and spirit-monsters we killed before.

A direct confrontation plays to our strengths, while letting her activate more of her prepared plans plays to hers.
How squishy Sandra is or isn't may not even matter depending on the details of her plans. @DragonParadox How much essence do we have right now?
 
*rolls for it*
None of the people who are awake and aware reacted unduly to your intimidation just now, though that does not rule out the unconscious guy.
If they were enthralled the US justice system will eat them alive for stuff they arent really culpable for; the justice system isnt set up to account for magical mind control as a factor.
Thats something I think would weigh on Molly's mind.

But I have concerns about sending people who may or may not have Outsider-attention to the Brass Courts.
Genuinely torn here.

At the very least we want to look through their pockets though


we do tho cause we want to raise a city god and control the underworld
No we dont.
That would be both a mega project and a major political power grab in a city we have no interests in.
It would make us responsible for the hellgate in the city, and it would make excursions to other cities in the future more difficult.

And why would we want to control the Vegas underworld?
We carefully avoided the crime side of life even in Chicago.
 
If they were enthralled the US justice system will eat them alive for stuff they arent really culpable for; the justice system isnt set up to account for magical mind control as a factor.
Thats something I think would weigh on Molly's mind.

But I have concerns about sending people who may or may not have Outsider-attention to the Brass Courts.
Genuinely torn here.

At the very least we want to look through their pockets though
If they were enthralled, which is distinctly possible, we should be able to get them off. Enthrallment would be damaging to their minds, so insanity plea would be easy to arrange. Then we do some mind healing while they are institutionalized, and then they get released.
 
Lost 3 Essence -> Now at 11/15
I just checked it we spent two essence to stop the attack but spent a whopping three just to talk to Silk. Nine isn't a bad amount to work with but three spent on a phone call is just excessive.

Our biggest issue here is our lack of real time info on her location. We were planning on meeting with Harrowmont to get foci from the chemistry labs to have Harry track actively track her. Harrowmont said it would take him 40 minutes to get there but I don't see anyway around it. If she moves around we won't know where she is and will waste even more time looking for her.

[X] Wait for the feds and try to negotiate a solution that ends with the domestic terrorists in custody and you with your answers from a few minutes of questioning
-[x] Run their pockets before the Feds arrive.
-[x] Phone Harrowmont- Explain the recent attack and that you need a focus to track Sandra sooner than expected.
 
Last edited:
Good night guys, see you tomorrow as Molly and Co attempt to navigate the aftermath of a terrorist attack in Vegas by cultists to dark and eldritch powers.

Oh and also keep in mind Molly's anima is presently flaring, that is why you did not roll anything to find the bag bomb, it would have hit Molly and so was technically an ambush aimed at her (too). The flaming eyes may make talking to the cops a bit of a problem.
 
If they were enthralled, which is distinctly possible, we should be able to get them off. Enthrallment would be damaging to their minds, so insanity plea would be easy to arrange. Then we do some mind healing while they are institutionalized, and then they get released.
Insanity plea is insanely hard to achieve in US jurisprudence, and generally just puts you in a different kind of prison.
John Hinckley managed to work an insanity defence for attempting Reagan's assassination in 1981, and he was committed for over three decades as a consequence.

Also, having them misdiagnosed with mental illness is going to have them on drugs that will fuck them up worse.

This is an IC concern because Molly, and people she cared about, were in this position less than a year ago
Memory is still fresh.
And she has reason to remember that the legal system doesnt care. Has to be actively forced to care.


I just checked it we spent two essence to stop the attack but spent a whopping three just to talk to Silk. Nine isn't a bad amount to work with but three spent on a phone call is just excessive.

Our biggest issue here is our lack of real time info on her location. We were planning on meeting with Harrowmont to get foci from the chemistry labs to have Harry track actively track her. Harrowmont said it would take him 40 minutes to get there but I don't see anyway around it. If she moves around we won't know where she is and will waste even more time looking for her.

[X] Wait for the feds and try to negotiate a solution that ends with the domestic terrorists in custody and you with your answers from a few minutes of questioning
-[x] Run their pockets before the Feds arrive.
-[x] Phone Harrowmont- Explain the recent attack and that you need a focus to track Sandra sooner than expected.
We left the hotel with 14/15HP, which means it was at least 10.30AM.
Our scheduled meeting with Harrowmont is at 12PM.
We have no reason to call him to hurry up; the question is whether we'll be able to make it in time because Feds.

Oh and also keep in mind Molly's anima is presently flaring, that is why you did not roll anything to find the bag bomb, it would have hit Molly and so was technically an ambush aimed at her (too). The flaming eyes may make talking to the cops a bit of a problem.
Ah, yes.
That rather complicates matters, doesnt it. :V
Molly is going to need to duck out of things one way or the other.
 
Oh and also keep in mind Molly's anima is presently flaring,
Forgot about that. In that case I'd rather not deal with it at all. If they show up and start shooting it's going to be a problem. Molly is disguised too.
Our scheduled meeting with Harrowmont is at 12PM.
We have no reason to call him to hurry up
[X] Plan: Witch Hunt
-[x] Run the pockets of the cultist for anything useful.
-[x] Take off for the school before the authorities get here. Travel in the perfume bottle of bleach while driving to the school.
 
Last edited:
If they were enthralled the US justice system will eat them alive for stuff they arent really culpable for; the justice system isnt set up to account for magical mind control as a factor.
Thats something I think would weigh on Molly's mind.

But I have concerns about sending people who may or may not have Outsider-attention to the Brass Courts.
Genuinely torn here.
Yeah, if they've been touched enough to look for that could get bad. At minimum the cult should have all their true names, which you can do quite a bit with.

I think it's worth considering that ultimately innocent and not being a danger to themselves or others are different things. After getting hit this hard by a death cult it's probably genuinely unsafe for them to be unattended.

Disappearing them won't really help the situation, it'll just make it impossible for them to reconnect on any level with their family and friends from before the cult.

This is essentially what insanity pleas are for - if they weren't in their right minds they shouldn't be punished, but they need round the clock help to ensure they don't kill themselves or someone else the next time they have an episode. Which is a concern even if the immediate control is broken because mind magic is a bitch like that.

We have the money for expensive lawyers and connections with feds who know the score. Call the Library now and lay it out for them, along with our strong desire to see this handled justly even if the law hasn't caught up with the circumstances yet.

If they play ball then any actual thralls end up in some kind of care, hopefully somewhere that can actually help a little that the Library has access to*. If they don't, or start screwing up, we have other perfectly palatable options.

The white council for example has to have some really, really, good legal resources built over centuries of activity. They're also perfectly willing to spend significant amounts of mortal money for supernatural stuff and clean up the details on their own.

We could trade them all sorts of things that simply can't be bought but are trivial for us to acquire in exchange for the really scary sort of lawyers.

It helps that this situation is so weird and that nobody died in this attack. There aren't going to be families on tv howling for blood or anything.

* The inquisition had one for the Ants so I don't see why the feds couldn't. Even with no talents on staff just having people who know the basic details would help a lot.
 
Ah, yes.
That rather complicates matters, doesnt it. :V
Molly is going to need to duck out of things one way or the other.
Molly: "Green fire? Eyes? Sir, I don't know what you're talking about. Are you feeling all right?"

FBI Agent: "Those eyes! Right there! And they're on fire!"

Molly: "Oh dear, it looks like you might have been exposed to the substance the terrorists released."
 
Honestly I'm only interested in the archivist if we're planning to buy his soul later, standing him up wouldn't be that big a deal.

Stopping so Sandra can take a long lunch to adapt while we look through her receipts doesn't seem helpful to me.
 
Honestly I'm only interested in the archivist if we're planning to buy his soul later, standing him up wouldn't be that big a deal.

Stopping so Sandra can take a long lunch to adapt while we look through her receipts doesn't seem helpful to me.
You don't think we should have real time tracking to grab her?
 
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jan 31, 2024 at 6:33 PM, finished with 40 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] Grab the cultists and pass them to Sanctuary as soon as you are out of sight and earshot
    [X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
    [X] Wait for the feds and try to negotiate a solution that ends with the domestic terrorists in custody and you with your answers from a few minutes of questioning
    [X] Plan: Witch Hunt
    -[x] Run the pockets of the cultist for anything useful.
    -[x] Take off for the school before the authorities get here. Travel in the perfume bottle of bleach while driving to the school.
 
So, how about we try to convince the incoming agents to put out an APB on Sandra as the ringleader of a group of domestic terrorists? We have her name, can get access to an up to date picture from her student ID, and have a comprehensive list of her known associates in the area.
 
[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci

We needed to cede the initiative before in order to heal, but now that we're on the move we should try to cut off the head of the snake. She's clearly willing to throw away whatever proxies she needs this close to her endgame, if we let ourselves get bogged down she going to lead us around by the nose. While taking her out might not end things it will do more than getting bogged down here.
 
[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci

Sure, the arguments were convincing enough.
 
[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci

[X] Plan: Witch Hunt
-[x] Run the pockets of the cultist for anything useful.
-[x] Take off for the school before the authorities get here. Travel in the perfume bottle of bleach while driving to the school.
 
Updating my vote a bit, because minor looting shouldn't take more than a few seconds and it could get us some helpful info.

[X] Ignore the cultists, track down Sandra using your available foci
-[X] Search the cultists for anything useful, from unused grenades to cellphones, documents, etc.
 
Back
Top