Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

All of them had the potential for mass casualties mind you, but yet this looks like a lot of contingencies
True, it just seems like a lot of concentrated force on this location. If Sandra had spit them up and up armed a few of them to hit multiple places at the same time we wouldn't have been able to stop her.

If each of her twenty thralls got an assault rifle and one duffle bomb and simultaneously hit multiple heavily populated spots around the city they could do a lot of damage.

Hell, at this level of effort she could potentially mess up one or more of the three water intake tunnels supplying 90% of the city's needs, wait a day and a half, then spark riots with mind magic to kill significantly more.
 
First: I'm not following the thread. I assume we're hoping to have the essence to figure out Sandra's true plan/what this is a distraction for after this?
 
True, it just seems like a lot of concentrated force on this location. If Sandra had spit them up and up armed a few of them to hit multiple places at the same time we wouldn't have been able to stop her.

If each of her twenty thralls got an assault rifle and one duffle bomb and simultaneously hit multiple heavily populated spots around the city they could do a lot of damage.

Hell, at this level of effort she could potentially mess up one or more of the three water intake tunnels supplying 90% of the city's needs, wait a day and a half, then spark riots with mind magic to kill significantly more.

This place is a hang out for the local supernatural scene... and owned by someone who is a thrall of the Red Court.
 
Welp, could not do a second update today, hopefully we can tomorrow, depends on how long the vote takes to settle. In the meantime good night guys, see you tomorrow with more chaos at the local sex club... man this is going to play out strangely on the national news even without the magic. :V
 
I've got this mental image of that arguing couple, the ones in the gimp suits, being exposed to the VX, but surviving the exposure due to their choice of attire. Or at least believing that's why they survived, because healing from a Fallen Angel definitely won't be the excuse they're given for not dying

Such a great story to be able to tell the grandkids, except for the part about wearing gimp suits in a sex club...
 
I've got this mental image of that arguing couple, the ones in the gimp suits, being exposed to the VX, but surviving the exposure due to their choice of attire. Or at least believing that's why they survived, because healing from a Fallen Angel definitely won't be the excuse they're given for not dying

Such a great story to be able to tell the grandkids, except for the part about wearing gimp suits in a sex club...
No, that's the part that makes it an amazing story to pull out once their children are right around their thirties. Young enough that you can still mess with them, old enough to shake it off instead of being traumatized. :V

Also, do we really need an excuse?

It sounds like VX is infamously hard for amateurs to actually deploy and Lash has options between doing nothing and completely curing it. If she weakens the toxin enough that they shake it off with no long term effects but still obviously show some kind of reaction it just makes the cultists look incompetent.

A deep dive investigation clued into the supernatural could potentially call bullshit on that one, but if that sort of report makes it on CNN we're going to have bigger problems.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jan 30, 2024 at 8:35 PM, finished with 31 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healing)
    [X] Seal the Pipes
    -[X] Try to seal the sprinklers or the pipes leading to them before any of the VX and be spread (Perception+Technology roll to figure out what to seal up in time)
    -[X] Spend Willpower on Technology roll.
    --[X] Stunt: One after another millisecond by millisecond the pipes caressed by auras of Emerald light leading to the sprinklers taper to a near Phillip heads screwdriver flat right before they reach the sprinklers.
 
[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healig)
 
This is a club not a restaurant so unfortunately not. Clever thought though.
The thought was probably in regards to how you get salt around the rim of a cocktail/martini glass. There probably is salt anywhere you are likely to have cocktails but there wouldn't be shakers or anything sitting out.

[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healig)
 
[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healig)
 
[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healig)
 
In the absence of better ideas (I don't think making NaOH from glass on the spot is feasible)

[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healig)
 
Here's a ready made excuse for the magic to use on the local witnesses: They've been victims of a chemical weapon based terror attack done by extremists/terrorists and part of the symptoms of the weapon is vivid hallucinations as it messes with their nervous system. They may be sensing some strange shit (flashy light shows, loud noises, people looking weird/scary/unnatural, etc etc), but it's just in their heads and nothing to worry about as the effects wear off over time/with proper treatment if they are caught soon enough.

aka 'It's all in your head. Be cool.'
 
Here's a ready made excuse for the magic to use on the local witnesses: They've been victims of a chemical weapon based terror attack done by extremists/terrorists and part of the symptoms of the weapon is vivid hallucinations as it messes with their nervous system. They may be sensing some strange shit (flashy light shows, loud noises, people looking weird/scary/unnatural, etc etc), but it's just in their heads and nothing to worry about as the effects wear off over time/with proper treatment if they are caught soon enough.

aka 'It's all in your head. Be cool.'
Or we just roll with it. "terrorists attacked. Magical people are helping you. Magic is a good thing". Ie get Lash some more faith, and use it to establish good first impression of magic to some people.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Jan 31, 2024 at 4:52 AM, finished with 39 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healig)
    [X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healing)
    [X] Seal the Pipes
    -[X] Try to seal the sprinklers or the pipes leading to them before any of the VX and be spread (Perception+Technology roll to figure out what to seal up in time)
    -[X] Spend Willpower on Technology roll.
    --[X] Stunt: One after another millisecond by millisecond the pipes caressed by auras of Emerald light leading to the sprinklers taper to a near Phillip heads screwdriver flat right before they reach the sprinklers.
 
That rule section that you highlighted specifically talks about the attacking using mind hand manipulation not General actions performed using using mind hand. It is the first thing under the gadget section by the way
With respect?
Shortly =/= Combat time. It allows for improvising, it doesnt allow you to make shit on the spot in three seconds.
Thats stretching it even for Exalts.

Also that reading of charm language in that manner is really really not good. That sentence that you highlighted interpreted in that manner that you are using it means that you can't use mind hand manipulation to do anything but attack because it doesn't mention performance, intimidation or any other ability that you can definitely still do while having mind hand manipulation up.
I disagree.

If you activate MHM as a prop or a stunt in a situation where you are primarily using another Ability, it has no mechanical impact. For example, you can use MHM in a tea ceremony to move around teapots and shit, but you'd be rolling Etiquette, not MHM. A situation that is primarily MHM, though, is going to be working off Occult, Melee or Brawl.

I asked about this and the difficulty thing before making it. What we got was 1 dc 9 check that would fit in the turn. Should have had soak though.
Fair enough.
Missed that discussion somehow.

Are we absolutely sure that that Silk was just an arbitrary selection of victim for Sandra's sacrifice/distraction?
Cause a suicide bomber, surprise gunman, duffel bag bomb, and VX are a lot for a randomly chosen victim.
It definitely wasnt random.

Silk is personally connected to a Rampire, but she isnt institutionally connected to the Red Court. Enough of an independent actor that mortal supernaturals still felt comfortable coming here.Previously established that Club Xanadu is a place of power. So possibly a Dragons Nest. Or at least a location significant to supernatural Vegas.

Im getting the impression that a mass casualty event at the club was supposed to be a significant step in the unsealing plot.
Nothing else appears to explain a situation where Sandra quadrupled down on this with multiple independent attacks
  • Grenades
  • Gunman
  • Explosive satchel
  • VX weapon deployment

And thats not counting the 3x cultists she essentially wrote off by sending them here; none of them were expected to survive their actions, and Sandra isnt usually that profligate in expending resources.
This place was important to her plans for some reason.

We might want to talk to the Dragon specifically about the details of his deal with the Sin-Eater about creating Las Vegas
And if the magics involved particular physical locations in the city.
Because that would explain the attack on Xanadu.
 
VOTE
[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healing)


KISS principle.
Also, I wouldnt want to be in close proximity to nerve gas for any period of time, and I assume that most of the rest of our party feels the same way. Makes my skin crawl.
 
Sandra isnt usually that profligate in expending resources.
Honestly, the time to spend ressources is now or never.

In a day she has either won or is dead, maybe both.

Holding back any ressources, be it cultists, thralls, weapons or magic would be as stupid as keeping you potions for the next battle when you are already facing the final boss.
 
Honestly, the time to spend ressources is now or never.
In a day she has either won or is dead, maybe both.

Holding back any ressources, be it cultists, thralls, weapons or magic would be as stupid as keeping you potions for the next battle when you are already facing the final boss.
But thing is, this was planned and set up weeks or months beforehand. Before she became aware that a demigod warparty was coming to town for her head personally. Back when she was just facing the supernatural denizens of Vegas, most of who didnt even know they were at war, nevermind the identities of the other party.

And the more moving parts, the higher the risk of prior detection.
Multiple armed people in and out of a target location with multiple magical talents of unknown power and scope risk getting noticed because they fumble, or even just bad luck.

Based on prior performance, I wouldnt expect her to normally put that many people on one target unless it was absolutely necessary to take the risk.



More worryingly, this makes me wonder what she has in reserve.
Because major unsealings are BIG magical rituals, which are both obvious, and require defending. If you look at Dead Beat and the bloodline curse at Chitchen Itza, the magicworkers had small armies to defend them while they did their nefarious work.

So if Sandra is expending most of her soft assets, you need to wonder what her hard assets are.
And where they are.
 
More worryingly, this makes me wonder what she has in reserve.
Because major unsealings are BIG magical rituals, which are both obvious, and require defending. If you look at Dead Beat and the bloodline curse at Chitchen Itza, the magicworkers had small armies to defend them while they did their nefarious work.
Worst case a bunch of deaths in the right locations are the primary component here.

In which case she could send her cultists to die and still wouldn't fail.

But yeah, she probably has some assets that would have been able to fight off the locals, though the locals are in a terrible state right now.
With the Dragon knocked out, Fortunato on the run and Winter unwilling to act openly in the city?
Her most dangerous planned-for foes are some Whampires, maybe some Rampires and a few minor practicioners. Worst case Ramirez is nearby and reacts too, one inexpirienced Warden.

Charon might be more powerful, but it doesn't look like he's intervening.

You don't need that heavy assets to deal with those.
Certainly nothing meant to stop Big Corey's gang and some currently leaderless Reds could stand up to our Party?
 
Vote closed
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 31, 2024 at 5:43 AM, finished with 45 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healing)
    [X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healig)
    [X] Seal the Pipes
    -[X] Try to seal the sprinklers or the pipes leading to them before any of the VX and be spread (Perception+Technology roll to figure out what to seal up in time)
    -[X] Spend Willpower on Technology roll.
    --[X] Stunt: One after another millisecond by millisecond the pipes caressed by auras of Emerald light leading to the sprinklers taper to a near Phillip heads screwdriver flat right before they reach the sprinklers.
 
Worst case a bunch of deaths in the right locations are the primary component here.
In which case she could send her cultists to die and still wouldn't fail.

But yeah, she probably has some assets that would have been able to fight off the locals, though the locals are in a terrible state right now. With the Dragon knocked out, Fortunato on the run and Winter unwilling to act openly in the city?
Her most dangerous planned-for foes are some Whampires, maybe some Rampires and a few minor practicioners. Worst case Ramirez is nearby and reacts too, one inexpirienced Warden.

Charon might be more powerful, but it doesn't look like he's intervening.


You don't need that heavy assets to deal with those.
Certainly nothing meant to stop Big Corey's gang and some currently leaderless Reds could stand up to our Party?
Im assuming she wargamed her worst-case scenario and prepared accordingly.

Winter may not be able to act openly in force in Vegas, but Summer is.
The Pallbearers are currently leasing a Summer Court outpost, and there's even more Summer Fae in Mount Charleston, less than 40 miles away.

Then there's unaligned spirits; we've seen La Llorona, for example.

And since the QM is drawing on the DFRPG, Charon is not the only one here; we havent seen the Cowboy yet, for example. Even the local naagloshii might have been a factor; Seeker was an option for Molly when we were coming to Nevada, and they and their kin presumably have opinions about upstart human Outsider cultists fucking around in their backyard.

And of course, wizards. That they arent local doesnt stop them being a threat.
A White Council warparty could have gotten a prophecy and showed up at any point via the NeverNever just like we did. And not just a relatively young newcomer like Carlos, but some of the OGs from Edinburgh.

Or worse, the Blackstaff.
 
Winter may not be able to act openly in force in Vegas, but Summer is.
The Pallbearers are currently leasing a Summer Court outpost, and there's even more Summer Fae in Mount Charleston, less than 40 miles away.
We have not seen or heard of any active Fey outside of Wildfey in this city.

By now I'm pretty sure that DP has chosen not to use those parts of the RPG.
And since the QM is drawing on the DFRPG, Charon is not the only one here; we havent seen the Cowboy yet, for example.
Outside of town and pretty passive, if he even exists.
And of course, wizards. That they arent local doesnt stop them being a threat.
A White Council warparty could have gotten a prophecy and showed up at any point via the NeverNever just like we did. And not just a relatively young newcomer like Carlos, but some of the OGs from Edinburgh.

Or worse, the Blackstaff.
Outsiders could come in (in fact did with Molly) and she will have something up her sleeve for that likely case, so far I agree.
 
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