Wiki tells me that Little Chicago first appeared in Proven Guilty, i.e. somewhere around the time of the quest beginning.
Also, I think it would be a great idea to contact the Genius Loci of Chicago and make it our ally / loyal servant.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
Also, I think it would be a great idea to contact the Genius Loci of Chicago and make it our ally / loyal servant.
A materials science question? That means alchemy could pull it off.
But that much trouble for what are essentially trinkets is probably not worth the time investment for an Exalt.
Maybe she can ask the denizens of her pocket dimensiom after she buys that charm.
Chicago doesnt have a genius loci.
Very few places do.
To be honest, that's strange. I mean, canonically this is true, but this is a crossover setting. Everything and anything should have a small god of some kind. Maybe dormant, maybe very weak and unable to be normally summoned. But we are exalted. We should conjure it, nurture it, instill loyalty in it. Simply by living inside Chicago and actively respiring Essence I think it's only a matter of time until Chicago is mystically significant enough to have one.
Oh, and a thought just occurred to me - why haven't we used our Crown question to ask for the nazi magician's true name? We could then use that to compel him to tell us everything. I think that this doesn't count as mind control under the laws.
- Location
- Germany
I looked up the city, but I have no idea when it became localised as Cefalù, so I can't rule out any point between Christ's death and the late renaissance.
I would not give so much on the orthography, DP did mention he did this late and at the start of a vacation. I'm not sure he would hunt down every diacritic sign.
And looking at Sigfrid, according to Wikipedia it's also a Norwegian female first name. Since Dottir-based lastnames usually use the name of the mother, not the father, it seems possible that her mother was a scandinavian women from anywhere in the last millenium.
As for Christos, might be the spanish name, or the greek title for "anointed", as in Jesus. If we have sufficiently crazy people in the group that might be an option, so it gives far less limits to the dating.
True.
He is very likely a junior-member compared to some of the other ones, but I'm not feeling confident from the names alone that he is the only junior member. Other might be on his level, with only Namshiel and the Roman being with absolute certainty much older and more powerful.
Last edited:
On the natter of orthography you should keep in mind that the True Names of mortals, which these are even if you cannot use them as true names, change with time. So a guy who used to be named Ramses back ancient Egypt but who lived to the present day and now answers to Rodriquez and thinks of himself as mostly that would be found out as Rodriques, unless he makes a concerted effort not to think of himself by that name and to immerse himself in that life. Mind you most people with the wll to live though the long ages would keep some part of their initial will just by the nature of being that stubborn and skilled at surviving.
Different cosmology.
Genius Loci are rare in the Dresdenverse; Demonreach is the only one we've seen onscreen.
Exalted had gods, which are not the same thing and dont exert the same level of influence over their towns.
If we want his True Name, we could get one of the Domination charms, Dominate him and force him to tell us.
It would be probably be easier to just put the explosive rune charm on his neck though.
Explicitly stated that he isnt the only junior member. I quote our interrogation of Ace:
My read is that he is middle management, but there are two factions of middle management: The Old Guard and the New Men.
Gorfel is Old Guard, Lictor is New Men. Could be more factions we havent heard of.
The six are C-suite/board of directors. Ace et al are foot soldiers.
Gorfel could have been lying to Ace, but only so much; the arrogance he evinces doesnt really suggest the capacity for a sustained ruse of that sort.
Last edited:
This is not the old days, there is less magic in the air and the small gods have gone silent. Of course what is slumbering might be awoken... but it would take a lot to wake a city which has never been filled with the breath of spirit
As for True Names, while you can get them with the Crown, they are not from the lips of the bearer. Harry Dresden from the Crown is like Harry Dresden from the phone book as far as magic is concerned
Yes, I understand, though Darkhallow nearly happening, and now Molly living in Chicago and actively using essence, as well as her family living there, and other stuff... I think awakening the god of Chicago is viable.
Ah, ok. And here I hoped we could do as Angel of Death did and just get the knowledge of True Names for the full effect. Unless I am misremembering how that scene went.
Fun part for me?
Is that while we seem to have uncovered this new group of Bad Guys(call them the Thule Society), they arent the only ones out there in this universe.
Cowl's organization is out there and plotting and working and weaving after the failure of the Darkhallow.
The Denarians are doing their thing. The Fomor are plotting and probing. The Black Court is making plans.
Nemesis is orchestrating its decades long conspiracies.
And through all this, the White Council is still at global war with the Reds.
The neonazis are down at the bottom of a long to-do list unless they do something to elevate their profile.
Or make themselves an easy target.
The WC is just going to have them take a number.
Is that while we seem to have uncovered this new group of Bad Guys(call them the Thule Society), they arent the only ones out there in this universe.
Cowl's organization is out there and plotting and working and weaving after the failure of the Darkhallow.
The Denarians are doing their thing. The Fomor are plotting and probing. The Black Court is making plans.
Nemesis is orchestrating its decades long conspiracies.
And through all this, the White Council is still at global war with the Reds.
The neonazis are down at the bottom of a long to-do list unless they do something to elevate their profile.
Or make themselves an easy target.
The WC is just going to have them take a number.
- Location
- washington
you know uriel has warned dresden not to give things nick names (said things include him) to things as names have power so honestly even gods, monsters, immortals, and other things can likely be changed via names overtime. Something something belief is a powerful thing in dresden.
Last edited:
I'm not sure if that was a warning exactly, just pointing out that it was a thing. After all calling the Lasciel in his head Lash was a good part of what helped her rebel against her maker.
- Location
- washington
thats more my wording he did make it pretty clear it could affect even him though no idea if he means in anything like a normal amount of time or something a single individual can even do.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
I suspect the Thule Society is the Black Council. He was pretending to be a Nazi for the lower ranks.
- Location
- washington
I doubt it dresden files has a habit of factions within factions there are always people with different or multiple allegiances. Also the memetic hazard bullshit which is outsiders
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Let's refine it then. The Nazis are catspaws of Thorned Namshiel's group, which is the Black Council.
- Location
- washington
maybe though honestly black council is probably a mix of factions maybe not even all connected. Some are probably nemesis touched bullshit and some probably black magic assholes.
I doubt it myself.
He's quite competent, but he's not Black Council-level competent. Though its quite possible, and indeed likely, that the Black Council are using his group, and others, as catspaws while they think they are partners who are manipulating others to a shared goal.
And meantime Nemesis is playing all of them.
Cue the chorus of Master of Puppets.
Last edited:
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
While I'm willing to acknowledge the scenario Gorefel is lower on the pecking order then Namshiel/Cristos/et al...
Let's go further. Cristos was suspected to be Black Council in canon Gregori Cristos.
Here's a source for Thorned Namshiel being Black Council
dresdenfiles.fandom.com
Let's go further. Cristos was suspected to be Black Council in canon Gregori Cristos.
Here's a source for Thorned Namshiel being Black Council
Black Council
The Black Council is a hypothetical group, theorized to explain the organized and atypical behavior of a wide number of members of the supernatural. The term was coined by Harry Dresden;[1] Carlos Ramirez called them the Black Hats.[2] The Black Council was mostly a hypothetical organization. It...
dresdenfiles.fandom.com
I cant talk about Namshiel without spoilers for the latest two books.While I'm willing to acknowledge the scenario Gorefel is lower on the pecking order then Namshiel/Cristos/et al...
Let's go further. Cristos was suspected to be Black Council in canon Gregori Cristos.
Here's a source for Thorned Namshiel being Black Council
Black Council
The Black Council is a hypothetical group, theorized to explain the organized and atypical behavior of a wide number of members of the supernatural. The term was coined by Harry Dresden;[1] Carlos Ramirez called them the Black Hats.[2] The Black Council was mostly a hypothetical organization. It...
I noticed the similarity between the names, but still notice that they are different first names.
Which is probably not by mistake, given that the GM has read the books as well.
Remember when I said that its entirely possible for people on the White or Senior Council to be dupes for someone else, whether friends, family or working colleagues? See Peabody and his epic, decades long career of being the most undercover agent who ever agented for the Black Council.
Or poor Lily of the Summer Court, who actually believed Maeve and paid the price for it.
- Location
- washington
I'll argue anyone in a quest about a setting likely shouldn't complain if they get spoilers thats just common sense.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
I can not believe I missed that thanks for pointing that out.
Vote's closed. We are narrowly not telling Ebeneezer, though he might still get some stuff out of Gorfel himself as he is going get delivered to the Council.
Yep. Name is Nature. Harry GENERALLY turns this to mocking his enemies, which is fine. He's just cautioned about being thoughtful about it for allies
- Location
- washington
I'll note though I think this guys ideology is stupid hes definitely competent at least when it comes to combat the guy we just dealt with isn't normal and was most definitely skilled. hes definitely very practiced well at least compared to the average practitioner. most don't have the same firepower as this guy though hes nothing special in the grand scheme of things.
Last edited:
Even better.
If he gets stuff out of Gorfel and Harry comes up with evidence corroborating it independently...
He's pretty competent. Dude mindwhammied Molly, which is hardly easy, and dominated a spirit of rage for combat regen.
He's just not good enough to be operating in Chicago, which has been the death of multiple seriousface bad guys over the last five years, and it shows.
He is at least as powerful as apprentice Molly in canon, but he's as specialized as she was, and doesnt have the grunt you'd expect from a White Council-class wizard of several decades experience who came prepared for conflict. And his tactical sense was terrible for someone who allegedly had combat experience from WW2 alongside Kemmler.
So many ways he could have pulled that off with minimal risk.
We were seated on the sidewalk.
He could have pulled up beside us and opened fire with assault rifles and magic, then looted. He could have simply rammed the table with the van and run everyone over, then looted the place.
He could have attacked Marcone's people on the road before the exchange was made and stolen the bones.
Or held off, waited till after the exchange, let Michael leave, tracked the monks to their hotel room using his raven thing, then dropped grenades in the room and followed with shotguns.
He just fumbled this. Lucky for us.
Last edited: