You need to read the text to forget about outsiders. It's not quite that scary.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
Molly - Clippy, buckle up. It's time to hack the world telecom system and send a text message to every phone in existence.
[X] Yog
I was thinking more like a site, and gaming Google algorithms so it's the first thing that pops up when someone Google magic.
Less cool. We need to do a heist where we dangle from the ceiling on ropes because AT&T has pressure sensitive floors or something.
- Location
- Seattle, Washington
[X] Side with your father, if there is any hope of saving the changeling girl you should try
Well, we would need to infiltrate Google data centers to infect them with cyberddvils, so there's till a possibility of a heist movie action.
Molly - *Pulls off her face to reveal she's been wearing a rubber face the whole time.
Harry - Wait, that's just a rubber face of your own face. Why did you wear a mask of your own face? Why did it WORK?!
Molly - The mask looks like me because I'm CUTE! It WORKS because I'm exalted.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Why? Anonymity Through Propriety will have everyone politely ignore an alarms.
Because it's way cooler.
- Location
- Germany
An alarm can be enough to allow everyone with 5+ Wp to try and notice us.
Not sure how much security has 5 or more Willpower, but some might.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Only if they care about the alarms as much as they care about someone reading their diary or killing their wife.
Those are three VERY different points on my priority list.
Like, what does that even mean? It's like saying "Only crimes as bad as petty theft or MURDER."
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I don't think that it is so much the severity of the crime, but how much it is my problem.
So... From what I am reading in the E2 canon book, some time between the Age of Legends and today someone somehow removed Gateway of Sundraprisha charm from the charmset of Unshaped. Does anyone have any idea how this (making someone lose access to their native charm with no prerequisites) can be done?
Shinmaic Calibration/High Ambition Working in E3.
Altering the rules of reality to prevent Fey entry using the charm, without an invitation would be the easiest way. And or just binding them with an Oath to prevent its use. Solars already bound them the uncountable hoards entire with strict rules.
Maybe some great and powerful artifact. Maybe a gate of some sort.
- Location
- washington
[X] Plan yoink, mine now
I really want to make bigger changes to the setting and while nemesis will become aware of it this is something I want even if it has consequences. As for the other stuff uju said agreed but I really want the other part and uju doesn't want to include the splendor stuff.
I really want to make bigger changes to the setting and while nemesis will become aware of it this is something I want even if it has consequences. As for the other stuff uju said agreed but I really want the other part and uju doesn't want to include the splendor stuff.
Ok, I could see this. It would require a working, like Salinan, I think, but in general yes, it's probably something like that.
So, for those without access to the books, Shinmain Calibration is "exalted are bullshit, and elder exalted even more so" charm:
I mean, you could take the part of my vote about the splendor stuff and make your own without the part you are disagreeing with. There are clearly people who have problems with my idea of redirecting her faith (not necessarily to us). I have provided a template with a catchy name below.
[] Plan Oblivion Counter Warfare
-[] Side with your father, if there is any hope of saving the changeling girl you should try
--[] Faith can be redirected. Point out thematic and cosmetic similarities to the reality of your Court as one possible way to do so. Provide other alternatives too
--[] a splendor can be forged relatively easily, to make her incapable of caring for or even thinking about Outside. It can be further upgraded afterwards, scaled to automatically spread the effect to the masses [outline splendors from 3 to 5 points, culminating in Holy Book of Ignorance).
---[] If such is made, Ivy would be the owner and thus immune to the effects and directing the use. You'll need help in getting the resources for the forging of higher versions.
--[] Occult, Empathy excellencies
- Location
- washington
I'm not dividing the vote more.
It's too bad we don't have that curse charm. Seems like each cultist would count as a separate agent of the Outside, so we could use them to curse them to hell and back before wiling the cognitohazards from their memories.
Also, the propagation thing is a little heavy handed, people might get so freaked out that the uninvolved start working to suppress it.
Molly - Don't tie yourself in knots over it, the fact that you remember enough to be concerned is proof I'm not using it on you. You don't need to be concerned until you forget what you're worrying about.
We can get back to it when we have more relevant information.
I like the splendor plan but I don't think Molly would jump to adopting them as her cultists or imply anything like that in front of her Knight of the Cross father.
Also, the propagation thing is a little heavy handed, people might get so freaked out that the uninvolved start working to suppress it.
Or if she's feeling mean :
Molly - Don't tie yourself in knots over it, the fact that you remember enough to be concerned is proof I'm not using it on you. You don't need to be concerned until you forget what you're worrying about.
Think we should try that for lawbreaking too?
I don't really agree with any of this for various reasons, but how about we put a pin in it? We're not facing this particular decision in the near term and neither of us is making arguments that the other finds compelling.
We can get back to it when we have more relevant information.
We aren't making a 5 dot version, and a 3 dot one is much more palatable, I feel (see below). Also, please see above about the alternative proposal I made for a vote without an option of faith redirection. I would very much like others to make alternative plans. And you are very clearly not alone in disliking the idea I voiced.
Surprisingly enough, I don't think Michael the Knight of the Cross would object. Molly is already an object of worship for a five billion strong nation. He knows she's not perfectly comfortable with this, was there when it happened first, so I don't think he'll think it's self-serving from her. Certainly, I haven't intended it to be so. It was meant (in my mind, which I obviously communicated poorly) to act as one option to preserve girl's Faith in general, in something at least, without having to destroy it. True Faith (and we are likely dealing with it) is rare, beautiful and precious thing that is being exploited by monsters. This was meant to sound as Molly offering herself as a target, so the Faith itself can be preserved, and the girl is not harmed. I don't expect Molly to enjoy this.
Might work. It's a great idea. Make one for the council, Something like a grand book where every member of the Council must read the Laws and sign in blood that they agree to them. MIght work as a measure to cut down on head chopping. We are talking 5 dot splendors though. We would want to remove Addiction and Evangelism, though. We would probably add the elements that allow the book to interact with spirits and ghosts, or an Earth element that would make it harder to destroy. Or we add Form of Hero's shadow, so Merlin could gather his wardens and create for each of them such a book to carry with them, always, so they could try saving people.
Anyway, how would the splendor work:
3 dot version:
The Splendor takes the form of something that is evocative of the fantastic. It might be a child's
toy, a brightly-decorated banner, a monster or carnival mask, or a treasure chest. It might be a
kaleidoscope, or a bundle of bright balloons. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form
and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Dreaming. Other
Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic
scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with
purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something
weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a
Willpower roll against difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) to accept such a conclusion.
As an Adornment, it raises the difficulty to affect the user with hostile works of Glamour by one.
As the basis for a Fascination, it may have one minor impossible feature such as floating in
defiance of gravity, reflecting people's true selves when looked into, or aging backwards in time.
toy, a brightly-decorated banner, a monster or carnival mask, or a treasure chest. It might be a
kaleidoscope, or a bundle of bright balloons. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form
and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Dreaming. Other
Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic
scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with
purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something
weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a
Willpower roll against difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) to accept such a conclusion.
As an Adornment, it raises the difficulty to affect the user with hostile works of Glamour by one.
As the basis for a Fascination, it may have one minor impossible feature such as floating in
defiance of gravity, reflecting people's true selves when looked into, or aging backwards in time.
This Element can only be part of a Fascination.
The Splendor embodies the act of forgetting that a particular thing exists, such as "vampires,"
"laws," "the fact that Clark Kent is Superman," or "pain." It causes anyone it targets to become
unable to remember that the specified thing exists. The maximum duration this forgetfulness can
last (assuming it doesn't abate because the target fulfilled some condition built into the Splendor)
is one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot
Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
The Splendor embodies the act of forgetting that a particular thing exists, such as "vampires,"
"laws," "the fact that Clark Kent is Superman," or "pain." It causes anyone it targets to become
unable to remember that the specified thing exists. The maximum duration this forgetfulness can
last (assuming it doesn't abate because the target fulfilled some condition built into the Splendor)
is one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot
Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
The Splendor is loathe to relinquish its hold on those it claims. Select one Element of the
Splendor whose effects last for a limited time. That Element's maximum duration is increased by
one category (from one scene to one day, one day to one week, etc). If the duration is already
"one year," the Element can be rendered permanent.
Splendor whose effects last for a limited time. That Element's maximum duration is increased by
one category (from one scene to one day, one day to one week, etc). If the duration is already
"one year," the Element can be rendered permanent.
Next, we move onto a 4 dot version. This adds 2 points, but effectively 3, because we can remove one Elongation of the Curse, since we are making a leap from one month to permanent, not from one week to permanent.
The best design for this step, I think, would be this:
The Splendor takes the form of something that is evocative of the fantastic. It might be a child's
toy, a brightly-decorated banner, a monster or carnival mask, or a treasure chest. It might be a
kaleidoscope, or a bundle of bright balloons. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form
and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Dreaming. Other
Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic
scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with
purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something
weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a
Willpower roll against difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) to accept such a conclusion.
As an Adornment, it raises the difficulty to affect the user with hostile works of Glamour by one.
As the basis for a Fascination, it may have one minor impossible feature such as floating in
defiance of gravity, reflecting people's true selves when looked into, or aging backwards in time.
toy, a brightly-decorated banner, a monster or carnival mask, or a treasure chest. It might be a
kaleidoscope, or a bundle of bright balloons. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form
and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Dreaming. Other
Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic
scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with
purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something
weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a
Willpower roll against difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) to accept such a conclusion.
As an Adornment, it raises the difficulty to affect the user with hostile works of Glamour by one.
As the basis for a Fascination, it may have one minor impossible feature such as floating in
defiance of gravity, reflecting people's true selves when looked into, or aging backwards in time.
This Element can only be part of a Fascination.
The Splendor embodies the act of forgetting that a particular thing exists, such as "vampires,"
"laws," "the fact that Clark Kent is Superman," or "pain." It causes anyone it targets to become
unable to remember that the specified thing exists. The maximum duration this forgetfulness can
last (assuming it doesn't abate because the target fulfilled some condition built into the Splendor)
is one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot
Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
The Splendor embodies the act of forgetting that a particular thing exists, such as "vampires,"
"laws," "the fact that Clark Kent is Superman," or "pain." It causes anyone it targets to become
unable to remember that the specified thing exists. The maximum duration this forgetfulness can
last (assuming it doesn't abate because the target fulfilled some condition built into the Splendor)
is one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot
Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
This Element can only be part of a Fascination.
The Splendor causes anyone who falls under its sway to become utterly incurious about
something defined when the Splendor is summoned. If the Splendor doesn't contain a condition
under which the target may escape this blasé state of mind, or the target fails to satisfy that
condition, then they escape from its influence after one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for
a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
The Splendor causes anyone who falls under its sway to become utterly incurious about
something defined when the Splendor is summoned. If the Splendor doesn't contain a condition
under which the target may escape this blasé state of mind, or the target fails to satisfy that
condition, then they escape from its influence after one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for
a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
The Splendor is loathe to relinquish its hold on those it claims. Select one Element of the
Splendor whose effects last for a limited time. That Element's maximum duration is increased by
one category (from one scene to one day, one day to one week, etc). If the duration is already
"one year," the Element can be rendered permanent.
Splendor whose effects last for a limited time. That Element's maximum duration is increased by
one category (from one scene to one day, one day to one week, etc). If the duration is already
"one year," the Element can be rendered permanent.
Now, we move onto the five dot version. It's much, much more powerful, as befits something with a power of three godlings meshed together:
5 dot Fascination
The Splendor takes the form of something that is evocative of the fantastic. It might be a child's
toy, a brightly-decorated banner, a monster or carnival mask, or a treasure chest. It might be a
kaleidoscope, or a bundle of bright balloons. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form
and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Dreaming. Other
Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic
scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with
purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something
weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a
Willpower roll against difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) to accept such a conclusion.
As an Adornment, it raises the difficulty to affect the user with hostile works of Glamour by one.
As the basis for a Fascination, it may have one minor impossible feature such as floating in
defiance of gravity, reflecting people's true selves when looked into, or aging backwards in time.
toy, a brightly-decorated banner, a monster or carnival mask, or a treasure chest. It might be a
kaleidoscope, or a bundle of bright balloons. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form
and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Dreaming. Other
Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic
scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with
purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something
weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a
Willpower roll against difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) to accept such a conclusion.
As an Adornment, it raises the difficulty to affect the user with hostile works of Glamour by one.
As the basis for a Fascination, it may have one minor impossible feature such as floating in
defiance of gravity, reflecting people's true selves when looked into, or aging backwards in time.
This Element can only be part of a Fascination.
The Splendor embodies the act of forgetting that a particular thing exists, such as "vampires,"
"laws," "the fact that Clark Kent is Superman," or "pain." It causes anyone it targets to become
unable to remember that the specified thing exists. The maximum duration this forgetfulness can
last (assuming it doesn't abate because the target fulfilled some condition built into the Splendor)
is one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot
Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
The Splendor embodies the act of forgetting that a particular thing exists, such as "vampires,"
"laws," "the fact that Clark Kent is Superman," or "pain." It causes anyone it targets to become
unable to remember that the specified thing exists. The maximum duration this forgetfulness can
last (assuming it doesn't abate because the target fulfilled some condition built into the Splendor)
is one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot
Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
This Element can only be part of a Fascination.
The Splendor causes anyone who falls under its sway to become utterly incurious about
something defined when the Splendor is summoned. If the Splendor doesn't contain a condition
under which the target may escape this blasé state of mind, or the target fails to satisfy that
condition, then they escape from its influence after one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for
a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
The Splendor causes anyone who falls under its sway to become utterly incurious about
something defined when the Splendor is summoned. If the Splendor doesn't contain a condition
under which the target may escape this blasé state of mind, or the target fails to satisfy that
condition, then they escape from its influence after one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for
a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
This Splendor defines something that its target simply cannot, for any reason or under any
inducement, care about, or names an emotion she cannot feel.
If part of an Adornment, this numbing lasts as long as the Adornment is worn.
If part of a Fascination, the maximum duration this apathy can last (assuming it doesn't abate
because the target fulfilled some condition built into the Splendor) is one day for a 1-2 dot
Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-
dot Splendor.
This Element is not powerful enough to override the effects of Limit Break or its equivalents.
inducement, care about, or names an emotion she cannot feel.
If part of an Adornment, this numbing lasts as long as the Adornment is worn.
If part of a Fascination, the maximum duration this apathy can last (assuming it doesn't abate
because the target fulfilled some condition built into the Splendor) is one day for a 1-2 dot
Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-
dot Splendor.
This Element is not powerful enough to override the effects of Limit Break or its equivalents.
The Splendor is loathe to relinquish its hold on those it claims. Select one Element of the
Splendor whose effects last for a limited time. That Element's maximum duration is increased by
one category (from one scene to one day, one day to one week, etc). If the duration is already
"one year," the Element can be rendered permanent. This Element can be taken more than once to enhance multiple Elements.
Splendor whose effects last for a limited time. That Element's maximum duration is increased by
one category (from one scene to one day, one day to one week, etc). If the duration is already
"one year," the Element can be rendered permanent. This Element can be taken more than once to enhance multiple Elements.
This Element can only be part of a Fascination.
The Splendor grips those who fall under its sway with a nigh-irresistible urge to go forth and tell
others of what they experienced while interacting with it. At least once per scene, they must tell
their story to at least one other person or else spend a point of Willpower to resist this Element.
The compulsion fades once the Splendor's rating has been matched in a combined total of people
who have heard the story and/or Willpower points spent.
The Splendor grips those who fall under its sway with a nigh-irresistible urge to go forth and tell
others of what they experienced while interacting with it. At least once per scene, they must tell
their story to at least one other person or else spend a point of Willpower to resist this Element.
The compulsion fades once the Splendor's rating has been matched in a combined total of people
who have heard the story and/or Willpower points spent.
This Element can only be part of a Fascination.
The Splendor creates an addiction to its presence in those under its influence. Under criteria set
when designing the Splendor, those interacting with the Splendor must roll Willpower against
difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) or else become addicted to its presence.
The Splendor creates an addiction to its presence in those under its influence. Under criteria set
when designing the Splendor, those interacting with the Splendor must roll Willpower against
difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) or else become addicted to its presence.
A fruit of arts both new and older than time itself, the Holy Text of Ignorance takes a form of a text, either printed or existing as a website. In the ancient times, it might have been a fruit. It is written in the impossible language that lies at the root of all languages, and is understood by all, whether they want to or not. On its pages, in the 3125 symbols that defy perception and long for expression, the paradox of understanding is contained, a blessed poison of the mind. In it, the Outside is defined in precise enough detail to horrify even the gods themselves, and yet it is not a definition which one can use to access it, for it is the definition of absence, the borders of reality marked in text and drawing. To learn it is to forget it, to become utterly incurious and incapable of caring for it. It is enchanting enough of an experience that all but the most strong willed will become utterly addicted to it immediately, coming back to read it again and again, reinforcing their holy ignorance each time, and bringing more and more people to read it.
- The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a Willpower roll against difficulty 9 to accept such a conclusion.
- It has one impossible feature: the text is written in Primordial language, perfectly understood by all, no matter what language they speak, or what level of literacy they have
- Anyone who reads the text permanently forgets everything they knew about anything related to the Outside. They become permanently utterly incurious and incapable of caring about anything related to the Outside.
- The text produces a feeling of religious revelation, which creates an addiction, which requires a DC9 WIllpower roll to overcome.
- The text creates an irresistable desire to immediately spread its message to at least 5 other people. At least once per scene, the targets must tell their story to at least one other person or else spend a point of Willpower to resist this effect. The compulsion fades once the Splendor's rating has been matched in a combined total of people who have heard the story and/or Willpower points spent.
As a more targeted alternative, we remove addiction and evangelism, add form of Hero's Shadow, and Ivy equips all True Venatory with a 4 dot version.
EDIT: Yeah, there can be either holy book of ignorance, or a mass supply of obliviators wands. Ivy's choice. I like the idea of branching final upgrade.
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