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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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OctarineShrike said:
We could also do things like, "What did the Nazi's intend to do with the bones", or "Who is the one who gave the order for the Nazi's operation?"
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now is that our one question to do with the bones or our one question about the nazis intent? Also if we want bang for our buck direct it towards a specific nazi to make sure we can ask more questions about said nazis. Which yeah your second question is better for.
 
firefrog600 said:
I'd also hope for a specific nazis intent so we can get more nazi questions later.
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There's room for ambiguity here. If you ask what the sorcerer we captured intended to do with the bones, you might get "Give them to X". If you ask what the Nazi's collectively intended to do with the bones, you might find out what magical effect they were trying to pull off with them, including other assets we haven't accounted for.
 
OctarineShrike said:
There's room for ambiguity here. If you ask what the sorcerer we captured intended to do with the bones, you might get "Give them to X". If you ask what the Nazi's collectively intended to do with the bones, you might find out what magical effect they were trying to pull off with them, including other assets we haven't accounted for.
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Could we ask "the location of the bones", using these bones as a..focus? The intent being "the bones taken from the monks by the Ahnenerbe".

Since there are still some scattered, I think.

Could be a too big a category though
 
Maybe in the future we should bold the specific intent we're looking for cause the qm doesn't always know what we specifically want to direct our one question towards.
Also yeah there's a lot of ways it could go and sometimes it more worth asking about something collectively we could ask what said theoretical head honcho wanted to use them for though. There could always be factions to this though usually there is a head honcho in dresden though even if lots of counter plots exist.
Valkhir said:
Could we ask "the location of the bones", using these bones as a..focus? The intent being "the bones taken from the monks by the Ahnenerbe".

Since there are still some scattered, I think.

Could be a too big a category though
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it doesn't really matter how big I don't think as long as its one question we are talking about a power that could theoretically give us absurds amount of info in the future.
 
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[X] Circumstances have changed since the deal was struck and there is a new player on the board, or perhaps an old one rearing its ugly head. Either way, their actions were overt and bloody, and that is certain to draw attention no one involved in this exchange wishes to garner. Rather than deciding how to proceed in this matter and potentially complicating things even further, we should contact Marcone and learn how exactly he wishes to receive his payment.
-[X] Give Marcone the option of sending his goons with the money, him meeting us somewhere safe from prying eyes to make the exchange, or doing as the monk suggested and wiring him the funds.
 
you know we could ask for all the information a soul gaze gives (and possibly more) without being reciprocal in the future. Probably won't at least not for a long long time we could though.
 
This is why we should talk to the prisoners before using the crown. We shouldn't be afraid to use it, but the more low hanging fruit we grab first the better the questions we actually use it for will be.
 
UberJJK said:
Except we arrived in (presumably the back of) a moving van and are in a warehouse
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We started the trip with one of his men in the front passenger seat.

Besides, its 2006.
They have cellphones with GPS and location history. Blackberry is dominant at the moment, but Iphone is Jan 2007.
They know precisely where they are, and Marcone can access the phone records to check.
DragonParadox said:
As seen with Casius he lets them go, the knights are not the police and they do not have a jail. Also while they might kill in battle and in defense of an innocent they will not be executioners.
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They wont necessarily stand in the way of other people though.
Molly was canonically tried by the White Council, and Michael didnt dispute their right to levy the death penalty.

UberJJK said:
It is not our responsibility to make sure Marcone gets his money. Michael was called to provide security for the hand off:
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UberJJK said:
well this is the hand off. What happens afterwards is, as the vote says, on Jerry. Honestly the monk was being kind by offering to wire the money after this but if the man Marcone trusted to execute this deal is insisting on cash and can't protect it? Well that is Marcone's problem. Once the money is handed over and good received the deal is done.
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It is a public service to make sure this goes off as quickly and as smoothly as possible.
There are Nazi warlocks looking for human bones for necromantic purposes. Thats bad. For everyone.
Marcone's minion being a dumbfuck doesnt mean we should let him run into traffic.

Especially since we dont know if he was the one who leaked the location of the handover.

And this isnt the monk being kind. This is only some of the dead that the Ahnenerbe stole.
They do not have the resources to go looking for the bones of their honored dead. Marcone and his contacts do.If they want Marcone to continue to commit the resources to do so, they needs must get him his money for services rendered.

Molly lived through the Darkhallow last October and it was remarkably unpleasant to anyone with the magic senses to feel the Kemmlerites attempt to sacrifice Chicago to fuel a necromantic ascension ritual.
Earth-Destroyer said:
We are not responsible for criminals.
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We live here.
Its in our interests to ensure that the criminals move the necromantic equivalent of fissile material into the hands of the people who want to take it far away from our city, and do so as smoothly and expeditously as possible.

I thought everyone had seen Spiderman 1 by now. Enlightened self interest is very much a thing.
 
[x] Send Jerry off with the cash, if he gets jumped that is on him

Handoff is over, if they're dumb enough to want to walk back with cash instead of accepting the wire, it's on their head. I feel no guilt.
 
LightLan said:
[X] Send Jerry off with the cash, if he gets jumped that is on him
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bengalqueen said:
[x] Send Jerry off with the cash, if he gets jumped that is on him

Handoff is over, if they're dumb enough to want to walk back with cash instead of accepting the wire, it's on their head. I feel no guilt.
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And if Jerry is the person who leaked the location of the handover in the first place, and sending him off lets him call the warlock's friends to attack this safehouse? Its Nazis; they're like cockroaches in that its never just one person, and you can often find sympathizers scattered around the most surprising places.

And Molly hasnt recovered her HLs yet. I'd rather not get into another fight yet.
 
while not as much a saint as her father molly firmly believes of doing good and caring for others and redemption and such right? Like we would actually feel guilt if this thug just dies right? Like our father would be happy to redeem denarians much less hate thugs at least some of thats rubbed off right? Not to say pragmatic thinking shouldn't be used or that we can't massively go down some rabbitholes we do care though right?

I know at least at one point michael almost even redeems a denarian it was unlikely but they almost took it.
 
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[X] Circumstances have changed since the deal was struck and there is a new player on the board, or perhaps an old one rearing its ugly head. Either way, their actions were overt and bloody, and that is certain to draw attention no one involved in this exchange wishes to receive. Rather than deciding how to proceed in this matter and potentially complicating things even further, we should contact Marcone and learn how exactly he wishes to proceed.
-[X] Give Marcone the option of sending his goons with the money, him meeting us somewhere safe from prying eyes to make the exchange, or doing as the monk suggested and wiring him the funds.
 
uju32 said:
We live here.
Its in our interests to ensure that the criminals move the necromantic equivalent of fissile material into the hands of the people who want to take it far away from our city, and do so as smoothly and expeditously as possible.

I thought everyone had seen Spiderman 1 by now. Enlightened self interest is very much a thing.
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A they are criminals respect died in the 70s. We have no reason to tolerate a criminal organization in our city. I fully intend to kill Marcone, and dismantle his cancer infecting the city.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
A they are criminals respect died in the 70s. We have no reason to tolerate a criminal organization in our city. I fully intend to kill Marcone, and dismantle his cancer infecting the city.
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uhhhh dude does actually regulate crime unless you want to go full warlord and blatant we aren't destroying crime in chicago and dad would definitely not want us to go full murderhobo especially on many relative innocents when compared to the actual monsters.

Like marcones not perfect and does fucked up stuff unless you want to get rid of crime their one of the best we could get.
 
By the laws of Chicago, Molly is as much a criminal as Marcone.

I mean, she just absconded from the scene of one shooting, killed a bunch of Red Court vampires a couple days ago, and is entirely willing to kill a bunch of Denarians when they show up.
Michael himself has fought and presumably killed a bunch of Nicodemus cultists.

People really need to remember that much of the magic community is at best extralegal by the standards of most mortal criminal codes, and at worst very very criminal. Before they start using Marcone's status as a gang boss as an excuse to get all snooty.
The White Council executing people for breaking their laws is not legal in any country, no matter how justified they are.

Let alone their waging international war across at least three continents.

Earth-Destroyer said:
A they are criminals respect died in the 70s. We have no reason to tolerate a criminal organization in our city. I fully intend to kill Marcone, and dismantle his cancer infecting the city.
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WE are a criminal organization.
The White Council is a criminal organization. The White Court is a criminal organization. The Red Court is a criminal organization.
Every major magic organization with a presence in mortal areas routinely breaks the law in its host society.

Dont delude yourself otherwise.

And the idea that we can "dismantle his cancer infecting our city" is pure tosh.
We do not have the capacity to end organized crime without becoming organized crime.
And frankly, Marcone serves a purpose in keeping a lot of supernaturals out of his turf.
 
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uju32 said:
By the laws of Chicago, Molly is as much a criminal as Marcone.

I mean, she just absconded from the scene of one shooting, killed a bunch of Red Court vampires a couple days ago, and is entirely willing to kill a bunch of Denarians when they show up.
Michael himself has fought and presumably killed a bunch of Nicodemus cultists.

People really need to remember that much of the magic community is at best extralegal by the standards of most mortal criminal codes, and at worst very very criminal. Before they start using Marcone's status as a gang boss as an excuse to get all snooty.
The White Council executing people for breaking their laws is not legal in any country, no matter how justified they are.

Let alone their waging international war across at least three continents.


WE are a criminal organization.
The White Council is a criminal organization. The White Court is a criminal organization. The Red Court is a criminal organization.
Every major magic organization with a presence in mortal areas routinely breaks the law in its host society.

Dont delude yourself otherwise.

And the idea that we can "dismantle his cancer infecting our city" is pure tosh.
We do not have the capacity to end organized crime without becoming organized crime.
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oh no we do we could totally go full conqueror eventually if we wanted to doesn't make it you know morally sound. Marcone does kill his own men who cross the line like kidnapping rings and selling drugs to kids hes a decent deterrent to the worse mortal crime.

We could definitely delete crime if we went full totalitarian monster.
 
uju32 said:
By the laws of Chicago, Molly is as much a criminal as Marcone.

I mean, she just absconded from the scene of one shooting, killed a bunch of Red Court vampires a couple days ago, and is entirely willing to kill a bunch of Denarians when they show up.
Michael himself has fought and presumably killed a bunch of Nicodemus cultists.

People really need to remember that much of the magic community is at best extralegal by the standards of most mortal criminal codes, and at worst very very criminal. Before they start using Marcone's status as a gang boss as an excuse to get all snooty.
The White Council executing people for breaking their laws is not legal in any country, no matter how justified they are.

Let alone their waging international war across at least three continents.


WE are a criminal organization.
The White Council is a criminal organization. The White Court is a criminal organization. The Red Court is a criminal organization.
Every major magic organization with a presence in mortal areas routinely breaks the law in its host society.

Dont delude yourself otherwise.

And the idea that we can "dismantle his cancer infecting our city" is pure tosh.
We do not have the capacity to end organized crime without becoming organized crime.
And frankly, Marcone serves a purpose in keeping a lot of supernaturals out of his turf.
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Marcone has a mundane criminal organisation though.
He does actual crimes, along the lines of drug sale, smuggling, protection rackets, etc. for actual profit.

To me that is a very different thing to being a supernatural organisation that acts in its own world and occasionally ignores the laws of whatever country they are currently in to kill their foes.

Also I don't think killing Red Court Vampires is all that illegal. If someone had seen us fight a bunch of bat-monsters, would they use that to accuse us under US-law of anything?
Denarian-minions are a different matter though, being still human and such.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Marcone has a mundane criminal organisation though.
He does actual crimes, along the lines of drug sale, smuggling, protection rackets, etc. for actual profit.

To me that is a very different thing to being a supernatural organisation that acts in its own world and occasionally ignores the laws of whatever country they are currently in to kill their foes.

Also I don't think killing Red Court Vampires is all that illegal. If someone had seen us fight a bunch of bat-monsters, would they use that to accuse us under US-law of anything?
Denarian-minions are a different matter though, being still human and such.
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the magicals often take advantage of mortal laws dresden gets fucked over all the time and has to be careful to not get caught murdering vamps. Marcone murders all the time also basically no real country has ever fully gotten rid of crime.

Marcone also prevents shit like drug peddling to kids and kidnapping well most kidnapping. Like that shits not easy and marcone is in a position to fuck with some stuff I'd rather not have to personally do.
 
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So... That's actually a lot of mangled myths in there, some of which might pertain to Dragonblooded host and Exalted in general. I think we should take a vacation this summer and journey to Tibetian mountains. The trip might prove, shall we say, enlightening, both for us, and others. Maybe take Harry too?

Because the respiration thing clearly refers to essence, not the actual chi they are respiring / using right now. Chi / magic is not what the basic structure of the world is, after all. Essence is.

It's a shame the world is so essence-thin, and we don't have good enlightenment options. We should look into enlightened martial arts some time. I wonder if we can use our crown when looking at some martial arts manual to either search for "the origin of all martial arts" or "the greatest martial arts manual" or something like this (and I swear, if this ends with us in a small fishing village in North Korea calling someone dead dog meat, I will laugh).
 
Yog said:
So... That's actually a lot of mangled myths in there, some of which might pertain to Dragonblooded host and Exalted in general. I think we should take a vacation this summer and journey to Tibetian mountains. The trip might prove, shall we say, enlightening, both for us, and others. Maybe take Harry too?

Because the respiration thing clearly refers to essence, not the actual chi they are respiring / using right now. Chi / magic is not what the basic structure of the world is, after all. Essence is.

It's a shame the world is so essence-thin, and we don't have good enlightenment options. We should look into enlightened martial arts some time. I wonder if we can use our crown when looking at some martial arts manual to either search for "the origin of all martial arts" or "the greatest martial arts manual" or something like this (and I swear, if this ends with us in a small fishing village in North Korea calling someone dead dog meat, I will laugh).
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there's no way we are allowed a vacation around the world until we've moved out rightfully so really there's a lot of bullshit that could try harming us for our connections. Also you know if things only get to weekly actions getting throughout a year seems like it'll take a while much less have time to do a lot of worldwide stuff. I'm hoping we can eventually get stuff like at least bi-weekly or even monthly actions otherwise there's no way we'd ever reach changes for example. What you say does sound fun though.
 
If we do try to reconstruct a Celestial Martial Art from remnants, I think it's most likely that we would end up with the Infernal Monster Style through old instincts.
Which isn't in the crossover-book, but could be adapted.
 
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