Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I doubt it.
If it was, we wouldnt be using a bombed up room when we need to establish those working conditions .
Molly doesnt just enjoy the frisson of high explosives in close proximity as far as I know
We use the door bombs because they're high grade cheese. They qualify in theory as a constraint but if we really need out we can just go through a wall. It's also easier to put a cyber devil in charge of when we haven't rebuilt the whole space to our needs.

By contrast bindings have to physically impede us which is annoying, and if we get surprised we can't trivialize the trap by going around the working element.

Relevant ruling here:
If it is physically restraining you to the point where you would have to break something it counts as imprisonment, but a suit would not work to make it cold, it has to be the environment. That means at a minimum a room.


On the bomb collar thing specifically, here's the ruling from when we saw the feds put them on those Jade vamps:

Yes, someone trying to blow you up to keep you imprisoned would activate CCC since 'headtank the explosion' counts as an action.

That bomb wouldn't have killed us if we got tagged, but needing to soak it would have activated the thing.

Using one in the field would be an incredibly bad idea, but in a controlled environment a bomb collar is as much a threat to us in Molly's throne room as it is on earth.
1) Her making potions is a comparatively short process, on the order of an hour or two IIRC.
Not an issue.
It was very much an issue with both Odin's warmachines and when we were installing the SUTRA Iris in Last Station


2)Disagree.
This would not be an issue if we werent using CCC for that -3DC; we'd just stop and leave at will. With the use of externally measured milestones to meet, the picture and flexibility changes.

We want to leverage the benefits of using CCC, a 1-dot charm, in a situation it issnt designed for.
Tradeoffs.
Trade offs that you're inventing whole cloth. They certainly haven't come up in our other similar abuses beyond the difficulties of arranging the situations required in the first place. One scene with an embarrassing schedule slip shouldn't be extrapolated into a flaw that stops us from interacting with the system normally.

You're clearly pushing this to make using the hell more impractical so we don't spend more time in it. We already have enough issues making use of the resources available without slapping more on top.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Oct 9, 2023 at 1:02 AM, finished with 118 posts and 31 votes.
 
We can enhance fabricaton by using shintai (+4 dexterity), and design too (-1 DC if we are designing the body incorporating arts and materials from our kingdom) and there are probably at least 1 dot potions / talismans of "enhance dexterity / craft" in our kingdom that we could requisition. @DragonParadox does our kingdom have access to basic dice adder potions / amulets? Enchantment 1 is supposed to be able to grant that.

Basic dice adders do exist, the problem is you would not be doing anything basic. Crafting is a very wide skill and enchanted items that improve it usually refer to a specific aspect of it and it has to be one the maker is familiar with. Forging bodies and souls with dark miracles of infernal essence is not among those.
 
Basic dice adders do exist, the problem is you would not be doing anything basic. Crafting is a very wide skill and enchanted items that improve it usually refer to a specific aspect of it and it has to be one the maker is familiar with. Forging bodies and souls with dark miracles of infernal essence is not among those.
I was thinking dexterity/intelligence enhancing, rather than craft. Attribute boosters, not ability boosters.
 
Vote closed, Faustian Deal is a go.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 9, 2023 at 2:42 AM, finished with 122 posts and 31 votes.
 
@DragonParadox how many AP would need to be dedicated to ward houses of our associates, including order of Cauldron?

Depends how hard you want to ward them, everyone has a threashold and the Order all have magical additions to that, it is part of the reason they even exist, they do warding like an old fashioned barn raising. You could just make a small god with Emanation rules and then give it the purview of 'protect the Order of the Cauldron' that has the added benefit of working outside wards.
 
@DragonParadox how many AP would need to be dedicated to ward houses of our associates, including order of Cauldron?
We should maybe wait till we can make a God Of Chicago before investing to many resources into it. To save time if the GOC ends up invalidaiting prior protections, it might be more practical to invest those into the GOC.
 
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Depends how hard you want to ward them, everyone has a threashold and the Order all have magical additions to that, it is part of the reason they even exist, they do warding like an old fashioned barn raising. You could just make a small god with Emanation rules and then give it the purview of 'protect the Order of the Cauldron' that has the added benefit of working outside wards.
I was thinking something like making Bane-like small gods for every house of every member of the Order, as well as Murphy, brother Divsimar, etc. To start with (see my ambitious plan maximum below). But making a guardian deity is a great idea.
We should maybe wait till we can make a God Of Chicago before investing to many resources into it. To save time if the GOC ends up invalidaiting prior protections, it might be more practical to invest those into the GOC.
I was actually thinking the opposite. Making a god of Chicago will be noticed by pretty much everyone. That's 5+ dot emanation (likely 6-7 equivalent, because of the enormity of it). That's declaring "the game around has changed, and we are laying claim / protecting this territory". Just as an example, inside Chicago, techbane would stop working - that was the initial IC idea for making said god - to stop techbane inside Chicago. That's the kinda thing which necessiates White Council if not transferring their headquarters to Chicago, then at least making a branch here.

So, I want to start small, to sneak in as many small gods and defenses (wards, enchantments, golem and zombie killsquads stored and ready to deploy, etc) as possible. So when the retaliation comes, the god of Chicago has more resources to call upon (because every small god made prior to that would naturally fold into the newly established Chicago Court). So, my idea of a plan is:
1) Ward houses of Order of Cauldron and our other associates. Make gods like Bane. Bane didn't require Dragon Nest draining, and on his home turf was stated to be able to stalemate a naagloshii. That's more then enough.
1.5) Ward critical public buildings with the same, but possibly more powerful protections. Talk to Murphy to protect police station. Sneak in / talk your way into fire department, and the hospital. Talk to Alphas and protect the dormitories on their campus, etc. Buff Porter so he can act as the proper guardian of not just Last Station, but all of the Underground.
2) This step wasn't originally part of the plan, but DragonParadox's idea of making a guardian deity of the Order of Cauldron has merit. Maybe even switch it for the step. Follow up with at least Chicago Special Investigations guardian deity. Talk to the shamans we encountered during Kakuri incident and offer them similar protection too.
3) The final step is raising the god of Chicago. This is a very major working here.
3.5) as a possible additions to the total protections, carve an underground circle around Chicago to give the whole city a threshold.
 
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Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 9, 2023 at 2:42 AM, finished with 122 posts and 31 votes.
 
Arc 10 Post 7: Systemic Semantics
Systemic Semantics

29th of November 2006 A.D.

"Wait a sec, I said both of you would be fine." You raise a hand and tip it this way and that like scales held in the balance. "'Stuck inside' a mirror isn't fine. There's no way you can defend yourself from the Fallen like that. This is just a temporary vessel Lash, not another prison. I don't think you did anything to deserve that."

Lost 2 Essence -> Now at 7/15

For a long moment she just looks at you, emerald green eyes unreadable behind the sheen of the mirror as behind her mist coalesces into the rough shape of an armchair precisely the right height for her, deep red bleeding into it at the edges until it is precisely the right color to set off the gold of her hair and not so incidentally the color of blood.

"What are we if not our memories?" she asks.

"The work of our hands and our minds," you answer instantly.

"Good works," she shakes her head. "There isn't enough time left in the universe for that."

"I'm not a priest," you point out reasonably. "You asked me to say what I think makes someone and I said their works, their deeds, their choices. Speaking of works... how would you like a body?"

"What, ask Arwan's get to jump-start a recent corpse?" She raises a hand and counts off fingers. "A, that is going to make Harry do that face and B, it won't work anyway, I'm not a complete soul, I was never meant to be... like this."

"Molly, I know you are just trying to help but..." Harry's voice has a note of warning in it even as he stretches out his newly healed hand.

So of course you clear up the misunderstanding. "I'm going to make you a body, one meant for the shaping of Essence, invested with its own Lower Soul, though not as the Po of beasts which has its own place in the tapestry of the world but made to fit the [trailing equitable exchange aetheryc connectors]." You pause and sound out carefully in the language you just think of as 'the Language': "[Does this constitute sound with meaning for you?]"

A look thoughtful look crosses Lash's luminous features, though under it bubble all manner of feelings she can't quite get under control, surprise yes and weariness to be sure, but also hope. Taking as much care as you are. "[Principally, non-critical but notable auxiliary signifiers lost. Weak supposition: lexical/legal drift.]."

You try to hide your excitement, but not very hard, this is too big. "[Awareness Origin/Source/Prime?]"

"[Deoxyribonucleic Acid Helix/Helix within Poetry drift through... Matter-Antimatter imbalance.]" That last part is wrong and obviously you are not the only one to notice as Lash stops and makes a face. "The ages to not repeat as a wheel ever-turning, they rhyme like a helix and though the axis a common thread must rise, a stem that binds the future and the past that bends and does not break." Then she takes one look at Harry's expression and does the one thing one would least associate with her cool and stately manner, she giggles, not a coy one, more like 'somebody stop me this is too funny'.

"I think we should maybe come back to this in the morning..." Now poor Harry is starting to look alarmed, but before you can open your mouth to reassure him Lash speaks. "So you are offering me a vessel, a body incarnate. What's the catch? I'll warn you now I have a good eye for the fine print."

Regained 2 Essence -> Now at 9/15

What do you ask of Lash in exchange for making her a body?

[] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians

[] True alliance, you watch her back, she watches yours

[] Allegiance, swear an oath of fealty to you

[] Write in


OOC: From the conversation you just had Lash speaks something related to what Molly thinks of as 'the Language' and she seems to have as many gaps in her understanding of it as Molly herself, though not necessarily the same ones. Where the gaps happen to overlap you get gibberish otherwise there is a rough understanding.
 
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[X] No Catch
-[X] Stunt: I think we have a common interest in opposing the Denarians, but we can talk about that when you have your body. The deal is freedom for you and Harry and I'll stick to it. If you ever stab me in the back, it will be for your own reasons, not because I tried to shackle you in the moment of your birth.

Don't try to make a deal with the devil. Neither side.
Just build a foundation that can lead to a real alliance when we are not a situation of horribly skewed power-dynamics where we can hold her hostage.
 
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[X] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians
[X] No Catch
-[X] Stunt: I think we have a common interest in opposing the Denarians, but we can talk about that when you have your body. The deal is freedom for you and Harry and I'll stick to it. If you ever stab me in the back, it will be for your own reasons, not because I tried to shackle you in the moment of your birth.

I maintain the long leash strategy. And Harry gets a secretary. I am not opposed to the middle road, however, and might switch to it later as the discussion unfolds.
"[Deoxyribonucleic Acid Helix/Helix within Poetry drift through... Matter-Antimatter imbalance.]"
This actually makes sense, and kudos to you. Deciphering: Matter-Antimatter Imbalance is the origin of the known visible universe and can be translated to "the process through which this iteration of the universe was instantiated in this form". "Deoxyribonucleic Acid Helix/Helix within Poetry" is ancestral code / code drift. So, translating this would mean "changes in coding of life due to how new instance of the universe was made."

EDIT: Approval adding no catch option.
 
Are we getting a discount for Source Code Compliance Protocol at some point? Seems like we are well on the way to learning half the charm (the language itself) already.

No, notice that Harry's ears are not bleeding. This is Old Realm as it was spoken in the Old Realm, the thing Solars used to craft not out and out Primordial-speak which is ancestral to that and not so much a language as bludgeoning the universe with concepts.
 
[X] No Catch
-[X] Stunt: I think we have a common interest in opposing the Denarians, but we can talk about that when you have your body. The deal is freedom for you and Harry and I'll stick to it. If you ever stab me in the back, it will be for your own reasons, not because I tried to shackle you in the moment of your birth.
 
No, notice that Harry's ears are not bleeding. This is Old Realm as it was spoken in the Old Realm, the thing Solars used to craft not out and out Primordial-speak which is ancestral to that and not so much a language as bludgeoning the universe with concepts.
"White God is E10+ Devil Tiger with Free Will theme" hypothesis intensifies. We are speaking a Enochian dialect, right?

Edit: does Molly know the language well enough to teach it to mortals? Fairly sure using it as your magic casting language would give Harry a boost if he can switch over.
 
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"White God is E10+ Devil Tiger with Free Will theme" hypothesis intensifies. We are speaking a Enochian dialect, right?

Edit: does Molly know the language well enough to teach it to mortals? Fairly sure using it as your magic casting language would give Harry a boost if he can switch over.
  1. Lash is speaking Enochian, though which is a dialect of what Molly could not say since it's not like she understands the rules of linguistic change here
  2. She knows enough to give it a go. How well Harry would be able to follow is up to him
 
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Edit: does Molly know the language well enough to teach it to mortals? Fairly sure using it as your magic casting language would give Harry a boost if he can switch over.
Don't think that it would actually be a boost more like multiclassing. It's a completely different paradime.

[X] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians

[X] True allience, you watch her back, she watches yours

[X] Aligeance, swear an oath of fealty to you
 
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