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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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It is weird how much I like this creature of unspeakable cruelty beyond even mankind's very extensive capacity.

Why the fuck do I keep liking monsters so damn much in these things...
 
Not that backup wouldn't be appreciated, but unless we're planning to HMP another jet aircraft to transport them, I don't think anyone available could even come close to keeping up with us.

Taking the plane down during the day should work wonders for thinning out Ariana's Rhampire minions, not to mention her as well.
 
Goldfish said:
Not that backup wouldn't be appreciated, but unless we're planning to HMP another jet aircraft to transport them, I don't think anyone available could even come close to keeping up with us.

Taking the plane down during the day should work wonders for thinning out Ariana's Rhampire minions, not to mention her as well.
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The idea is to just carry them, they would need an ogigen mask and equipment to protect against the cold but you could manage it
 
uju32 said:
1)Languages are not encryption.
They have rules and patterns, so they can be broken.
We've been doing this with forgotten languages even before computers started getting good enough to assist.
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Yes, they do, but as far as I know even for languages with known descendants it's nigh impossible to translate an unknown language without known partial translations to start with. Certainly, it takes decades of work to do so.
uju32 said:
2)Strange languages on a tapped line is the equivalent of red flagging every electronic intelligence agency that ever has run a dragnet surveillance program.
AND it identifies all your agents as belonging to the same organization and speaking the same language.
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As opposed to encoded transmissions you mean?

On the vote - I am actually struggling to think on "why not blow it up in the air". Yes, possible mortal victims, but I doubt they are innocent.
 
Yog said:
Yes, they do, but as far as I know even for languages with known descendants it's nigh impossible to translate an unknown language without known partial translations to start with. Certainly, it takes decades of work to do so.

As opposed to encoded transmissions you mean?

On the vote - I am actually struggling to think on "why not blow it up in the air". Yes, possible mortal victims, but I doubt they are innocent.
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Anyone brought as an in flight meal is likely to be as innocent as they come.
 
If we're blowing up the plane, then, unless we shoot it out of the sky, we're getting to the plane beforehand. We can put a cyberdevil to act as autopilot to bring it wherever we want. Also, catching a jet in flight might be tricky, but catching the Dutchess if she jumps should be well within our capabilities.
 
uju32 said:
1)Languages are not encryption.
They have rules and patterns, so they can be broken.
We've been doing this with forgotten languages even before computers started getting good enough to assist.
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Languages are not encryption. They are worse. You can, eventually, break an encryption. The message is significantly longer than the key and therefore the key inherently has SOME pattern that repeats, even if that pattern is monstrously complicated and requires you to factor large prime numbers to determine.

Things become hard when the translation key is larger than the message. It becomes virtually impossible to break because the pattern does not actually repeat. You need to know the language to understand the message and the language is monstrously larger than the message. You cannot generate the language from the information contained in the message. You can, perhaps, identify some small patterns, but that won't be enough to actually translate anything without significant outside context like knowing what is being talked about.

This is why language is generally uncrackable unless you ether have a monstrously large sampling of the language OR a key.

ImBuda said:
Question can we explode the plane while he is there, killing both the vampire and Broken seeker??
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Blowing up the plane isn't even going to kill the target, much less the hunter who thinks they can hunt the target for fun.

EDIT - Also, like, can we not become international terrorists just yet? Blowing up a plane is NOT subtle. I frankly don't want anything to do with it.
 
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@DragonParadox from what we know of rhampires, would our target be able to escape from a plane mid-flight?

Because I am thinking - HMP the plane, force it to fly in circles as slow as possible, drop in and fight in the sky.
 
DragonParadox said:
Of Courtesy and Cunning
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COMMENTARY
Langtry successfully stalled.
Im betting he, or one of his guards, recognizes Molly's last name; even if Ebenezar didnt brief them, Michael did save a White Council training camp from Outsiders in June.

Im quite amused at the idea of Langtry and his guards somehow squeezing into Dresden's tiny apartment.
Of course, its much more likely that they met at McAnally's.
Allows Dresden to keep his secrets, and his wards, from the inspection of the Merlin. Including Mouse.

Noting that Seeker recognized what happened last night as Molly travelling to her Hell.
Dude is annoyingly well-informed.

Jet plane is easy mode.
Use MHM to damage an engine and force it to crash land; MHM is line of sight after all.

Alternatively, HMP and crash it into the ground at full velocity. We just need to be willing to use HMP in front of Broken Seeker.
And to be sure there are no civilians onboard; the pilot and crew are probably Red Court servitors, but any in-flight snacks arent likely to be. And to forego any loot.

Plus, I'm pretty sure rescuing civilians and loot will give us bonus XP.


@DragonParadox
QUESTION
How big a jet plane is this? What passenger capacity are we looking at?
 
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Thinking overall best option is to HMP the plane have it climb to its max hight, then Depressurize the cabin. Done right they should not notice. End result all humans are knocked out, maybe even the Vamp. Once the cabin pressure is equalized open the door, and fight. If she jumps we have over two minutes of fall time to handle her.
 
Yog said:
@DragonParadox from what we know of rhampires, would our target be able to escape from a plane mid-flight?

Because I am thinking - HMP the plane, force it to fly in circles as slow as possible, drop in and fight in the sky.
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She is old enough to have a skinsuit that allows her to walk around in daylight, like her dead husband.
Plus, she's a sorcerer, strong enough and skilled enough to tussle with Winter Knight Dresden in a magical duel.
She can survive just fine.
 
uju32 said:
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Langtry successfully stalled.
Im betting he, or one of his guards, recognizes Molly's last name; even if Ebenezar didnt brief them, Michael did save a White Council training camp from Outsiders in June.

Im quite amused at the idea of Langtry and his guards somehow squeezing into Dresden's tiny apartment.
Of course, its much more likely that they met at McAnally's.
Allows Dresden to keep his secrets, and his wards, from the inspection of the Merlin. Including Mouse.

Noting that Seeker recognized what happened last night as Molly travelling to her Hell.
Dude is annoyingly well-informed.

Jet plane is easy mode.
Use MHM to damage an engine and force it to crash land; MHM is line of sight after all.

Alternatively, HMP and crash it into the ground at full velocity. We just need to be willing to use HMP in front of Broken Seeker.
And to be sure there are no civilians onboard; the pilot and crew are probably Red Court servitors, but any in-flight snacks arent likely to be. And to forego any loot.

Plus, I'm pretty sure rescuing civilians and loot will give us bonus XP.


@DragonParadox
QUESTION
How big a jet plane is this? What passenger capacity are we looking at?
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Private jet, the kind of thing a high powered executive would have, because in a sense she is one. She flies one of these.

uju32 said:
She is old enough to have a skinsuit that allows her to walk around in daylight, like her dead husband.
Plus, she's a sorcerer, strong enough and skilled enough to tussle with Winter Knight Dresden in a magical duel.
She can survive just fine.
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Also she is not silly enough to fly during the day unless it's a screaming emergency which she does not seem to be operating under at the moment. You guys cannot count on the sun to do your killing for you even of 'just' the guards
 
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uju32 said:
You are using available network bandwith, which is a hard limit on how much data you can transmit at a time
And your smartphone has to handle encrypting and decrypting the data in real time
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We don't actually need to inject our encryption into the payload, for reasons related to how digital telecommunications work. Here is the relevant tidbit.

When they moved to digital backends for this sort of thing the control data was separated from the voice line. The actual audio data is on its own channel and is encrypted separately from everything else.

We should be able to swap it out as long as it conforms to the bandwidth and radio transmission standards. The metadata is still only as safe as baseline, but that's unavoidable while using the existing infrastructure.
 
Before we make any other plans, we need to decide - what are we doing with Broken Seeker? Are we betraying him at the end of this? Are we playing along with his idea that this is essentially a date (fun time spent together)?
 
DragonParadox said:
Private jet, the kind of thing a high powered executive would have, because in a sense she is one. She flies one of these.

Also she is not silly enough to fly during the day unless it's a screaming emergency which she does not seem to be operating under at the moment. You guys cannot count on the sun to do your killing for you even of 'just' the guards
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ACJ 319/320.
Passenger capacity between 19-50 depending on trim. Assume 60.
Flight crew of 2, cabin crew <4.

Assuming a security escort of 2-4 Blood Packs(Each pack has 6 members, 3 would allow for eight hour shifts).
Potentially some heavy firepower, assuming that Icks can change size, or they have any other summoned spirits like Outsiders.
Plus a personal staff.

That leaves almost half the plane empty for prisoners or victims. So we cant just crash this plane into the ground with no survivors.

We can win any fight no problem, even solo; at worst we're tossing our enemies out of the windows.
Its the additional side objectives that become an issue.
Because Seeker is apparently focused on getting us to participate in atrocities, and I see no reason to oblige him.

Not to mention that I dont put it beyond him to attempt a betrayal.


We do have to HMP the plane.
Because I just remembered that they all come with black boxes for cockpit voice recording and flight data.
We dont want to leave any tracks for mortal authorities to puzzle over, so better the recordings fail.
 
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Yog said:
Before we make any other plans, we need to decide - what are we doing with Broken Seeker? Are we betraying him at the end of this? Are we playing along with his idea that this is essentially a date (fun time spent together)?
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1) No we arent betraying him.
Betraying him reflects on us and our reputation, even if he is an evil asshat.
We should be prepared for betrayal, because thats what naagloshii do, but not be the ones to start it.

Not to mention that we probably dont want to fight a minor god right after burning juice and effort cutting through the retinue of a major Red Court noble. Not the optimal situation.
Also, we are in a better situation to handle this in a couple months. Even a month.


2) C. We do neither.
We're here to run down an enemy and send a message, which is what we agreed to.
Not a date or fun time together.
 
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