Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Hmm. You know, Cracked Cell Curcumvention should trigger if get Michael to lock Molly in her workshop from the outside and tell her that she'll only be allowed out when she's crafted the item she's working n.

The same should apply to things like being locked in the house until you've finished studying.

Does not work because Michael is not antagonistic, the charm is part of you, it knows when you are playacting.
 
Hmm... lets make sure Charity doesn't see Molly wearing this. Dragon scales are not exactly a happy memory for her.
That seems more like a reason to let her see us in it, IMO. Well, that and the fact that it must fit like a skintight bodysuit since it can be worn comfortably beneath everyday clothing without being noticed. Trying to get a rise out of Charity is a very Molly thing to do.

[X] Wear your armor openly, that is bound to make a statement
 
Dragon of shadow and smoke could be due to our Charms.

Shadow for Kakuri, smoke for Wicked City and its breath of (nuclear) fire for Lanka?

Otherwise dunno.
I'm fairly certain Artemis1992 was making a veiled reference to The Ebon Dragon which is what Kakuri was back in the times of Exalted before the eons of decay left them what they are today.
 
[X] Wear your armor openly, that is bound to make a statement

A girl's gotta show off her newest fashion. :)

DP, I think the last two threadmarks jumped from Part 8 to Part 10?
 
DP, I think the last two threadmarks jumped from Part 8 to Part 10?

Fixed, thanks.

TED doesn't really have a smoke theme I think.

Unless DP decided The Dragon That Was does.

It looks like smoke to other people, it also looks like black flames DNA and weird code to other people as the light plays on the patterns, a thousand illusory forms. To Molly for some reason it most looks like a dragon of shadow and steel coiling and coiling
 
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Does not work because Michael is not antagonistic, the charm is part of you, it knows when you are playacting.

Yes and no. If Michael would genuinely follow through on not letting her out if she doesn't finish the item, I think it should work.

It triggers off physical confinement, not hostility. For example, if Molly is sent to detention at school and not allowed to leave the classroom until she finishes an essay, that seems like something that would trigger the charm, even if the teachers genuinely believed they were acting in her best interests. L

To take another example, if Charity said that she's not allowed out of the house until she's completed a sufficiently good set of equipment to keep her safe, that seems like it would also trigger.


In Infernal games before I've often seen situations where players manoeuvre themselves to be genuinely locked up on various pretexts to get the charm to trigger. The fact that it was deliberate IC doesn't seem to matter, nor does the fact that the chosen escape method isn't the most effective or efficient one.

Part of the joy of playing an internal, like a sidereal, is manipulating the situation so that your peculiar niche toolset triggers.

In Molly's case, it would seem to suggest that she'd spend a lot of time locked in giant freezer-escape rooms with tailored unlocking conditions that meet whatever problem you're trying to solve at the moment.

It's not even thematically inappropriate. A mentor locking an apprentice in a room until they solve the puzzle/develop the skill required to unlock the door is something that shows up in the fantasy, including urban fantasy, genre occasionally.
 
Yes and no. If Michael would genuinely follow through on not letting her out if she doesn't finish the item, I think it should work.

It triggers off physical confinement, not hostility. For example, if Molly is sent to detention at school and not allowed to leave the classroom until she finishes an essay, that seems like something that would trigger the charm, even if the teachers genuinely believed they were acting in her best interests. L

To take another example, if Charity said that she's not allowed out of the house until she's completed a sufficiently good set of equipment to keep her safe, that seems like it would also trigger.


In Infernal games before I've often seen situations where players manoeuvre themselves to be genuinely locked up on various pretexts to get the charm to trigger. The fact that it was deliberate IC doesn't seem to matter, nor does the fact that the chosen escape method isn't the most effective or efficient one.

Part of the joy of playing an internal, like a sidereal, is manipulating the situation so that your peculiar niche toolset triggers.

In Molly's case, it would seem to suggest that she'd spend a lot of time locked in giant freezer-escape rooms with tailored unlocking conditions that meet whatever problem you're trying to solve at the moment.

It's not even thematically inappropriate. A mentor locking an apprentice in a room until they solve the puzzle/develop the skill required to unlock the door is something that shows up in the fantasy, including urban fantasy, genre occasionally.

If you said 'Time out I need to get out' Michael would let you out because this is an artificial restriction that you are in on and both of you know it. It would take more than calling time out for the school to let you out you would actually have to put some effort into it and roll some dice in mechanical terms. You cannot make Michael into the kind of person who would not accept time out, but if you bound a demon at your door with those conditions that would work.
 
If you said 'Time out I need to get out' Michael would let you out because this is an artificial restriction that you are in on and both of you know it. It would take more than calling time out for the school to let you out you would actually have to put some effort into it and roll some dice in mechanical terms. You cannot make Michael into the kind of person who would not accept time out, but if you bound a demon at your door with those conditions that would work.
Thats actually a pretty good idea.

Demon Summoning not existing as a spell is truly the final and ultimate sin againt Sorcerers in the current Age.

Would using Hollow Mind Possession on a maglock door with these conditions work?
 
Thats actually a pretty good idea.

Demon Summoning not existing as a spell is truly the final and ultimate sin againt Sorcerers in the current Age.

Would using Hollow Mind Possession on a maglock door with these conditions work?

Well on the one hand the spirit is loyal, but on the other hand it is a demon which means it is a lot more ruthless and willing to play the game to the hilt than Michael so yeah that would work.
 
If you said 'Time out I need to get out' Michael would let you out because this is an artificial restriction that you are in on and both of you know it. It would take more than calling time out for the school to let you out you would actually have to put some effort into it and roll some dice in mechanical terms. You cannot make Michael into the kind of person who would not accept time out, but if you bound a demon at your door with those conditions that would work.

The penalty of picking your own father as a mentor…

Thinking of people we know, at least vaguely I suspect Ebenezer might be ruthless enough to do this, but Harry might be too soft hearted.

Of course, this ignores the local demons; the younger siblings who if given a chance might be more than willing to lock the door and ignore any requests for a time out if given a chance to with a guarantee of no repercussions.
 
Well on the one hand the spirit is loyal, but on the other hand it is a demon which means it is a lot more ruthless and willing to play the game to the hilt than Michael so yeah that would work.
Extremely cool. Creative solution wins.

I guess another possibility where this might be exploited...

It says a car with an onboard GPS is also a valid target for this Charm.

Order them to only let us out if we are at our destination (designated beforehand), not before, and drive super good?

This might not count because the car itself is free, but then again, we are locked inside... dunno.
 
Of course, this ignores the local demons; the younger siblings who if given a chance might be more than willing to lock the door and ignore any requests for a time out if given a chance to with a guarantee of no repercussions.

Not quite evil enough, maybe if you invest them as fomori :V

Extremely cool. Creative solution wins.

I guess another possibility where this might be exploited...

It says a car with an onboard GPS is also a valid target for this Charm.

Order them to only let us out if we are at our destination (designated beforehand), not before, and drive super good?

This might not count because the car itself is free, but then again, we are locked inside... dunno.

It would work, but it would also lock you into whatever destination you picked. So if you had to stop or detour they would not let you out of the car until you got to the original destination.
 
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Imagine if Michael and Harry actually had Fomori and Training Charm treatments...if only...close to zero chance, I know, I know.
 
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[X] Dress for success... or intimidation as the case might be
-[X] Your powers go perfectly with some punk-looks. Put on obvious piercings, die your hair into something bright and unnatural and go with jacket, ripped jeans and combat boots.



[X] Wear your armor openly, that is bound to make a statement

Yeah, I can't really see Molly going for formal dress or something. It's just not who she is, even if we don't give a crap on a thread level.

Also, I don't think those gem related plans will work out the way you guys hope.

We've been able to make synthetic diamond for a while now, but the people who own diamond mines have invested considerable effort into marketing them as low quality and fake. Synthetic gems are all unnaturally perfect, so they're easy to pick out.
 
Imagine if Michael and Harry actually had Fomori and Training Charm treatments...if only...close to zero chance, I know, I know.

Being a fomori is extremely unhealthy. Even with the loyalty charm that protects against their taints, so suspect it would clash badly with their other supernatural powers.

The most moral way to create fomori is the Wicked City prosthetics charm. You find people slowly dying of organ failure who don't have a chance of getting on the transplant list and give them replacements. Of course, from another angle, this looks a lot like preying on the desperate…
 
Being a fomori is extremely unhealthy. Even with the loyalty charm that protects against their taints, so suspect it would clash badly with their other supernatural powers.

The most moral way to create fomori is the Wicked City prosthetics charm. You find people slowly dying of organ failure who don't have a chance of getting on the transplant list and give them replacements. Of course, from another angle, this looks a lot like preying on the desperate…
I was hoping we could bypass the "only wicked spirits serve the Infernal" due to only them wanting to serve hell via manually summoning spirits, or using fae, or demons from our own Kingdom for fusion.

Don't know if any would work.

As this may create not quite so fucked fomori.
 
Being a fomori is extremely unhealthy. Even with the loyalty charm that protects against their taints, so suspect it would clash badly with their other supernatural powers.

The most moral way to create fomori is the Wicked City prosthetics charm. You find people slowly dying of organ failure who don't have a chance of getting on the transplant list and give them replacements. Of course, from another angle, this looks a lot like preying on the desperate…

It should be noted that you do get superpowers even if they do look spooky. Molly is pretty sure that Alec and Izzy would take 'I can get you superpowers if you join my superhero team and stay on it' with 'Where do I sign?'

Now is that a good, sensible or even sane idea? I couldn't say, but it is one that's in Molly's head.
 
-[] Your powers go perfectly with some punk-looks. Put on obvious piercings, die your hair into something bright and unnatural and go with jacket, ripped jeans and combat boots.

Emma-O Lord of Kakuri, would not agree. His aesthetic is very much the beauty of silence, simplicity, and understated elegance. It's a Yin aspected Hell.

That kind of punk aesthetic is very Yang, which is anti-thematic to Kakuri.
 
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