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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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It's a bit dissapointing.

I would have preferred to go for maximum fashion instead of mechanics.
I just don't care for technology at all.

We can be faster than a car, we can grow our own exoskeleton, what is there in this world that isn't better done by the power of hell than by mundane nuts and bolts?
 
Valkhir said:
I don't like Drive aesthetically and mechanically it isn't worth it.

No not even with that Charm. And its Solar anyway.
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You know I think you could definetly argue turning into a car as a beast form Shintai...

:V

And I know, and no worries. Nobody here is suggesting moving all over to a craft based car explosion build. (I played that in a game and had fun though)

The ruthlessly calculating and efficient minds of the Wicked City (uju32 among others...) car stuff is an amazing way to get money, parts, and steel.

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@Artemis1992 me too honestly. I would have liked to have something... fun?

But at least weaving and leatherworking got to have some time in the light? That's more than most ideas get.
 
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Valkhir said:
Drive 1 and when we can go 195 m/s on foot or flying later.
I don't support vehicle crafting for ourselves. Just to state so.
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Day to day commuting is not precisely something you can do on foot. And carrying your own luggage gets old really quickly.
Doing two thirds the speed of sound on foot is something Im looking forward to.
But I would rather not have to leg it through the snow of a Chicago winter because Molly has literally no other options.

Remember, Chicago. The Windy City.
Great Lakes winters are brutal, and while Molly can ignore weather conditions, many of her allies cannot.
Artemis1992 said:
It's a bit dissapointing.
I would have preferred to go for maximum fashion instead of mechanics.
I just don't care for technology at all.

We can be faster than a car, we can grow our own exoskeleton, what is there in this world that isn't better done by the power of hell than by mundane nuts and bolts?
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1)Not caring for technology seems counterintuitive in an urban fantasy setting.

2)Grocery shopping.
Transporting family and friends and allies. Not getting wet in the middle of a rainstorm.
Convenience. Money.

Transcendent magic superpowers are great, but do not precisely allow for living a halfway normal life without drawing Attention.

Dresden can walk the Ways across half the planet at will, send magic messages via wyldfae, and track people across the city by their hair, but he drives his Beetle to get around Chicago, most of the time he's travelling across the US he takes a train, and he uses a landline to make phone calls.

Technology is a force multiplier for everyone who can afford it.
The prospect of getting access to stuff that the Dresdenverse techbane locks many wizards out of is a Big Deal for us.
 
uju32 said:
But I would rather not have to leg it through the snow of a Chicago winter because Molly has literally no other options.
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The cold will never bother her anyway.
She is literally better at everything in a snowstorm.

uju32 said:
1)Not caring for technology seems counterintuitive in an urban fantasy setting.

2)Grocery shopping.
Transporting family and friends and allies. Not getting wet in the middle of a rainstorm.
Convenience. Money.

Transcendent magic superpowers are great, but do not precisely allow for living a halfway normal life without drawing Attention.

Dresden can walk the Ways across half the planet at will, send magic messages via wyldfae, and track people across the city by their hair, but he drives his Beetle to get around Chicago, most of the time he's travelling across the US he takes a train, and he uses a landline to make phone calls.

Technology is a force multiplier for everyone who can afford it.
The prospect of getting access to stuff that the Dresdenverse techbane locks many wizards out of is a Big Deal for us.
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Okay, having access to regular tech is relativly nice, but getting a cheap car and a phone is really very easy and we certainly did not need to take Mechanic specialisation to get that.
 
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uju32 said:
Day to day commuting is not precisely something you can do on foot. And carrying your own luggage gets old really quickly.
Doing two thirds the speed of sound on foot is something Im looking forward to.
But I would rather not have to leg it through the snow of a Chicago winter because Molly has literally no other options.

Remember, Chicago. The Windy City.
Great Lakes winters are brutal, and while Molly can ignore weather conditions, many of her allies cannot.

1)Not caring for technology seems counterintuitive in an urban fantasy setting.

2)Grocery shopping.
Transporting family and friends and allies. Not getting wet in the middle of a rainstorm.
Convenience. Money.

Transcendent magic superpowers are great, but do not precisely allow for living a halfway normal life without drawing Attention.

Dresden can walk the Ways across half the planet at will, send magic messages via wyldfae, and track people across the city by their hair, but he drives his Beetle to get around Chicago, most of the time he's travelling across the US he takes a train, and he uses a landline to make phone calls.

Technology is a force multiplier for everyone who can afford it.
The prospect of getting access to stuff that the Dresdenverse techbane locks many wizards out of is a Big Deal for us.
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These are all things you can just buy a normal car for, literally no reason to try making it.

Edit: Dresden also doesn't use Ways more because its unsafe. Running in the real world is not a problem.

Not convinced.
 
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bengalqueen said:
Well, our car will be very well maintained, and probably have some… unique, aftermarket additions.

By which I mean we're an Exalt with a Craft Excellency that specializes in mechanics and owns a car. That car is inevitably going to become the coolest car in all of Chicago, if not the world, in very short order.
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"On the one hand, finding available parking downtown is much easier. On the other... my car is clinging to the side of a building and hissing at passing commuters. And it may have eaten a moped."

"I'm not sure how I should feel about this."
 
Modus_Tollens said:
"On the one hand, finding available parking downtown is much easier. On the other... my car is clinging to the side of a building and hissing at passing commuters. And it may have eaten a moped."

"I'm not sure how I should feel about this."
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I don't think we can do this, because the car is not alive enough to be Fomori.

And the Wicked City technology possession doesnt give that many features iirc.
 
Actually, let me ask.

Is riding a horse legal in Chicago? We COULD make a Fomori, intelligent horse I think. Or if not, Training Charms.

And it would be better than a car with any amount of skill.
 
Guys, we have a car, remember? It's something Molly owned pre-exaltation. And the mechanics specialty already won the vote.

At this point, it's literally a one-action investment to have a Ridiculously Cool Car, because we already have all of the prerequisites. It doesn't matter if you think something else will be as good or better when this comes with such a low additional investment cost for a lot of potential benefits.

Including just the narrative of us being a teenager wanting a cool car and having the means to get it.
 
Valkhir said:
Actually, let me ask.

Is riding a horse legal in Chicago? We COULD make a Fomori, intelligent horse I think. Or if not, Training Charms.

And it would be better than a car with any amount of skill.
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A quick google says yes. You are required to follow all rules of the road without much in the way of special exception though.

If you have a horse that can maintain highway speeds that would probably be allowed too but it would raise questions. And it seems like an extra step to glamour a rockethorse into looking like a compact car.
 
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Modus_Tollens said:
A quick google says yes. You are required to follow all rules of the road without much in the way of special exception.

If you have a horse that can maintain highway speeds that would probably be allowed too but it would raise questions. And it seems like an extra step to glamour a rockethorse into looking like a compact car.
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"Yes officer, my horse has headlights, turn signals, emergency lights, rearview mirrors, and even a license plate. Made them myself."
 
Also worth noting, the specialisation is Craft (Mechanics), not Craft (Cars). Cars is the most immediately obvious application - hey, isn't there a wizard who we'd like very much to think well of us who has a car that's constantly breaking down? - but there is so much more that can be done.

Want to rebuild our washing machine? Our coffee machine? A lawnmower so user-friendly Hope could use it and finish doing the garden in five minutes? Heck, if we were ever looking for a ranged option, how does a repeating crossbow built from stuff we found in the woods sound?
 
Rob Rimsill said:
Also worth noting, the specialisation is Craft (Mechanics), not Craft (Cars). Cars is the most immediately obvious application - hey, isn't there a wizard who we'd like very much to think well of us who has a car that's constantly breaking down? - but there is so much more that can be done.

Want to rebuild our washing machine? Our coffee machine? A lawnmower so user-friendly Hope could use it and finish doing the garden in five minutes? Heck, if we were ever looking for a ranged option, how does a repeating crossbow built from stuff we found in the woods sound?
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Indeed. Very practical. Extremely so.

Just not terribly... charming? Well be write at home in the wicked city if we can get a few dots of computer and technology under our belt though.

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@Artemis1992 Sword lasers?
 
Artemis1992 said:
A gun would propably be better and easier, in America.

Not that we'd be a good shot either way...
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Better, possibly, although that depends on how good we make this crossbow and what kind of gun we're comparing it to. Easier? To use, maybe. Not to acquire, given that we can literally wander into the woods and get most of raw materials for the bow and ammunition, completely legally and for free.

Also? Guns are mechanical too. Edit: and the Knights aren't prohibited from using them - Sanya uses a Kalashnikov. Want to bet we can make some upgrades? Or some exotic ammo?
 
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We should pick up a cooking specialty if we can. Making ridiculously good Lasagna was really fun that one time...
 
zxzx24 said:
"Yes officer, my horse has headlights, turn signals, emergency lights, rearview mirrors, and even a license plate. Made them myself."
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There are recognized left-hand hand signals you are supposed to do when around cars to denote left turn, right turn, and stop.

And in some locations you have to have reflective materials that are eye-searingly bright in headlights if you are riding a horse in dim light conditions.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
The cold will never bother her anyway.
She is literally better at everything in a snowstorm.
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Her stuff is not immune to the weather.
Try shopping for toilet paper in a snowstorm. Or getting your stuff soaked by a rain squall.
Artemis1992 said:
Okay, having access to regular tech is relativly nice, but getting a cheap car and a phone is really very easy and we certainly did not need to take Mechanic specialisation to get that
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A cheap car costs money, it doesnt make it.
Money to buy, money for maintenance, money for operations.
Never mind battle damage from hostiles, which Dresden will tell you is a constant hazard when you have enemies.

A Mechanics specialization provides a path to both generate seed money and keep her expenses for running that car(or bike,or laundry machine, or fridge) down.
Not something that any of the other options really applied to.

Valkhir said:
These are all things you can just buy a normal car for, literally no reason to try making it.
Edit: Dresden also doesn't use Ways more because its unsafe. Running in the real world is not a problem.
Not convinced.
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1)With which money? Craft Mechanics makes her money, and defrays her operating costs.

2)Running in the real world is a problem if you are trying to get around day to day.
The human footspeed record is Usain Bolt doing around 44km/hr over a little less than ten seconds. Go ahead and attempt to commute on foot at that speed and you draw all sorts of unwanted attention in a setting with an active Masquerade.

Let alone actually trying to do the 195m/s or >700km/hr we can actually do with all charms acquired and enabled.
bengalqueen said:
Guys, we have a car, remember? It's something Molly owned pre-exaltation. And the mechanics specialty already won the vote.
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Molly has never owned a car. It was an explicit plot point in Proven Guilty that Dresden drove her home.
She drove her parents car on the way back from seeing Ebenezer IIRC.
Dunno if its the minivan or something else.

Just pointing that out.
 
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uju32 said:
Her stuff is not immune to the weather.
Try shopping for toilet paper in a snowstorm. Or getting your stuff soaked by a rain squall.
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Artemis1992 said:
The cold will never bother her anyway.
She is literally better at everything in a snowstorm.
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As much as I love a good quibble.

This is an astoundingly petty thing to quibble over.

I wonder if we cranked our cars AC all the way down we could get those bonus dice?
 
uju32 said:
Her stuff is not immune to the weather.
Try shopping for toilet paper in a snowstorm. Or getting your stuff soaked by a rain squall.

A cheap car costs money, it doesnt make it.
Money to buy, money for maintenance, money for operations.
Never mind battle damage from hostiles, which Dresden will tell you is a constant hazard when you have enemies.

A Mechanics specialization provides a path to both generate seed money and keep her expenses for running that car(or bike,or laundry machine, or fridge) down.
Not something that any of the other options really applied to.


1)With which money? Craft Mechanics makes her money, and defrays her operating costs.

2)Running in the real world is a problem if you are trying to get around day to day.
The human footspeed record is Usain Bolt doing around 44km/hr over a little less than ten seconds. Go ahead and attempt to commute on foot at that speed and you draw all sorts of unwanted attention in a setting with an active Masquerade.

Let alone actually trying to do the 195m/s or >700km/hr we can actually do with all charms acquired and enabled.

Molly has never owned a car. It was an explicit plot point in Proven Guilty that Dresden drove her home.
She drove her parents car on the way back from seeing Ebenezer IIRC.
Dunno if its the minivan or something else.

Just pointing that out.
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So we are spending our crafting speciality to buy groceries and toilet paper better?

Seed money I can kinda see, but so wouldve jewelry.
 
uju32 said:
Molly has never owned a car. It was an explicit plot point in Proven Guilty that Dresden drove her home.
She drove her parents car on the way back from seeing Ebenezer IIRC.
Dunno if its the minivan or something else.

Just pointing that out.
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In this quest we have a Toyota Echo. The Beige Wagon.
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A few moments later you find the gloves, motorcycle gloves you think Daniel had worn them for Halloween three or four years ago, but they fit you just fine and the dark leather goes well with the black well everything you are wearing. You get into the Beige Wagon turn the key and flip off the air conditioning you will likely never need again. The little Toyota Echo your dad had gotten you when you passed Driver's Ed was nice and you are grateful and all, but you would really like it if your parents let you paint it a less boring color than the one it had come with. Gift horses and dental check-ups Molly, you remind yourself, briefly confusing Usum. Not everyone gets a car when they are sixteen.
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