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I think crafting some armour should be part of any plan we make, but I'm easy as to what else we do. Is now a good time to decide on a crafting Specialty?
 
[X] Plan First morning
-[X] Do your homework (Will prepare you for class, in the absence of it Academics rolls to keep your grades up increase by +1 DC; if you do not take it repeatedly you may have to make excuses to the teachers)
-[X] Make protective under-armor (can be taken multiple times)
-[X] Go out with your dad and actually do some good, whether it is
-[X] Ask your dad about the supernatural world, his perspective is bound to be different than Harry's

Homework as a normal thing. Craft one part of what we we want. Actually go out like we wanted. Ask Michael about some of his experiences and wisdom.

Don't want to sneak out so soon, maybe when their guard is lowered. Let's see how much problem being with Michael actually brings. Maybe we won't even need to sneak out if his providence/guided by the Sword thing brings us into trouble enough as is.

Edit: If mentoring us is part of his duty as a Knight of the Cross now, maybe White God will do us a solid and constantly bring us into danger against evil if we seek it.
 
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[X] Plan First morning
-[X] Do your homework (Will prepare you for class, in the absence of it Academics rolls to keep your grades up increase by +1 DC; if you do not take it repeatedly you may have to make excuses to the teachers)
-[X] Make protective under-armor (can be taken multiple times)
-[X] Go out with your dad and actually do some good, whether it is
-[X] Ask your dad about the supernatural world, his perspective is bound to be different than Harry's
 
[X] Plan: Prep work and Rosie
-[X] Do your homework (Will prepare you for class, in the absence of it Academics rolls to keep your grades up increase by +1 DC; if you do not take it repeatedly you may have to make excuses to the teachers)
-[X] Visit Rosie in the Hospital
-[X] Make protective under-armor (can be taken multiple times)
-[X] Find some place to spar with your dad, you are pretty good with a sword, but it's hard to judge how good when all the opponents you faced are now dead


We did promise to keep our grades up, so let's do our homework. Then visit Rosie because we really put that off for more than long enough.

Then two actions to get ready, one to make us some armor and the other to let Michael get a feel for how good we are.
We know OOC that the answer is very very good, but making Michael know that will set him at ease a bit, letting him argue against Charity easier.
 
[X] Plan First morning

I like this, it's passive-aggressively following the letter of Mom's rules while immediately jumping right into danger. We can visit Rosie next week, along with our other actions.
 
[X] Plan: Prep work and Rosie
-[X] Do your homework (Will prepare you for class, in the absence of it Academics rolls to keep your grades up increase by +1 DC; if you do not take it repeatedly you may have to make excuses to the teachers)
-[X] Visit Rosie in the Hospital
-[X] Make protective under-armor (can be taken multiple times)
-[X] Find some place to spar with your dad, you are pretty good with a sword, but it's hard to judge how good when all the opponents you faced are now dead
 
FrizZ1 said:
You know, in order to remain a family, you need to sacrifice something. A couple of weeks without actively looking for problems in the lower 90 is not such a big problem. It seemed to me that the acquisition of an infinitely ancient power gave Molly a little wisdom, or is it not so? Is she so stupid and stubborn that she is not capable of maneuvering? Oh, how low the Great Ones have fallen!
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That is not how families work dude. At least, not how healthy families work.
And for both Infernals and PCs in the Dresdenverse, trouble will find you whether you go lookimg for it or not. All that changes is whether you invested time preparing for it.

And no, Exaltations do NOT confer wisdom. Just Power.
FrizZ1 said:
So canon for canon's sake? Don't care about the changes that have already taken place and don't care about the understanding of her mother that Molly recently received?
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Molly Carpenter moved out of her family home at 17 with fewer resources than she has now rather than continue to live under the same roof as her mother with the demanded restrictions.
She'd just visit instead.

The changes that have taken place make it more likely that Molly moves out, not less, because she's more capable of living independently, and has more justification to do so in her eyes.
She is still the same girl she was earlier in the week, just even more stubborn.

Seriously, Willpower 9. Willpower 10 is maximum possible, and most humans dont even go beyond 5.
Artemis1992 said:
Molly is right now a person with both much greater willpower and some more Empathy than her canon-self, or any regular person her age. She can bear it, show patience and restraint, and try to talk again when Charity has come down a bit and had time to process the fact that our entirely life changed over the last two days and that her daughter got into lethal dangers thrice over these days.

Seriously, in the long run I think Charity will try to be a good mother and Molly can't change her fundamental nature as "a person who was worthy of an Exaltation, and thus will inevitably use it". And once Charity had time to work through this we can maybe get along. I really don't think she's so bad or small-minded a person that she would try to stop her daughter from being what she is.
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Uh, thats not how it works. Willpower 9 makes you more stubborn, not less.
Empathy does not make you any more likely to believe that your opponent is right either.

Seriously, read the information page on her relationship with her mother.
Charity Carpenter - Your Mother
Age: 41
Growing up you always knew where you stood with your mother. You knew she loved you and that she would always be there to defend you whether it was against some girls bullying you in primary school or a teacher being unfair and singling you out. The rules, and there were a lot of rules more and more as you grew older, were only there to keep you from getting hurt like that time you thought you could totally climb to the top of that tree and got a broken arm, were only there to protect you.

The trouble is... the more you grew up the less you believed that. Oh you believe she thinks it is what is best for you, but you do not think you need to be protected against 'those terrible songs' or being seen with the wrong kinds of people or as in the case of one of your more memorable fights being seen as 'that kind of girl'. Your Dad might dress in armor and use a sword, but sometimes you feel like your mom thinks this is the Middle Ages.
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She knows her mother loves her, she just thinks that her mother is overly restrictive and wrong.
She felt strongly enough about it to move out before finishing school and was living with friends, with no qualifications for making a living. Here she has a demon familiar cheerleader and superpowers.

DragonParadox said:
They already have a supernatural power in them, trying to shove another demon in there tends to be messy, there are examples in WoD of vampire formori but they are horror shows beyond the norm for that world. What you could do for the half-bloods of the reds like Susan is use Mercy in Servitude or False Spring Beckons to get rid of the derangement that makes them want to drink blood and thus complete the transformation
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She could straight up yank the demon out as well, I think.

QUESTION
Can we buy notSidereal Martial Arts Secret Arts?
You'll find them near the end of the Sidereal section, and its apparently available to Solaroids. There's a shaping defense in there, as well as an anima control technique and a technique for breaking spell effects by punching them

Normally, it requires a Sidereal tutor, but we do have a old, old demon familiar in our head that has presumably seen a lotta shit during the lifespan of other/previous Infernals to serve as story justification.

Artemis1992 said:
@DragonParadox
What kind of demon is Usum anyway?
There are many different ones, both in today's Yomi Hells and of the old 3rd Circles.
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The description points at a neomah.
Usually female-presenting, sexchanging sex demon of Malfeas. At least, thats what the general species is like.
You can assume that anyone stapled to an Exaltation is Special.


DragonParadox said:
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[X]Plan Cecelyne
-[X]Do your homework (Will prepare you for class, in the absence of it Academics rolls to keep your grades up increase by +1 DC; if you do not take it repeatedly you may have to make excuses to the teachers)
-[X]Make protective under-armor (can be taken multiple times)
-[X]Visit Rosie in the Hospital
-[X]Ask your dad about the supernatural world, his perspective is bound to be different than Harry's


REASONS
Homework avoids static at school. Thats just basic due dilligence.
Armor is necessary because we have gotten in two swordfights in the last week. Protection is needed.
Rosie is Molly's friend, and is pregnant as well. She needs to check in on her.

Molly's Urge is Supernatural and Hidden Knowledge.
Preparing to handle the supernatural means learning about it, and her father is a major resource, for both local events in Chicago and its environs and internationally.

Getting her father to talk about his twenty plus years of supernatural paladin experience(remember that Michael is the only living Dragon slayer in the world, and has the most experience with Denarians now that Shiro is dead) provides information and knowledge unavailable in any book.

While sparring with Michael may be nice, she doesnt really have anything to prove there.
Melee 5 is peak human skill, and when combined with Dexterity 4, she's already rolling almost the peak human pool without the use of any Excellencies. Plus, Michael has seen her fight. So has Charity, I think, during the escape from Arctis Tor.

Only people who havent are her siblings.
 
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uju32 said:
, thats not how it works. Willpower 9 makes you more stubborn, not less.
Empathy does not make you any more likely to believe that your opponent is right either.
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I don't believe she's right and neither does Molly.

But trying to emphathize with her, I would say she judt almost lost her daughter and reacts by trying to excert control, which is not good but understandable.

If she gets time to process the information and Molly and Michael can talk to her outside of direct confrontation, I hope she will come around and accept the new situation.

If things don't get better in a month, I will vote to leave, but I want to give her a chance.
 
It was not at all IC for Molly to stay, and that annoys me because I don't think she has diverged enough in personality from her canon self that she would make that decision, not at this point. We're stuck with that, though, so I'll just focus on the next opportunities as they come along.

Crafting armor is self-explanatory. We need it, we have supernatural Crafting powers, so let's do it.

Charity is the enemy, Michael is not. Just because our mother is on the shit list doesn't mean we shouldn't spend some time with our father. He's a cool dude and now we're sorta in the same line of work, so we have more to talk about than most teenage girls can manage with their 50-year old father. Being able to spar with him is an excellent opportunity to lean into the whole Mentor thing, plus we really do need a better idea of what we're capable of in comparison to another skilled and supernaturally empowered swordsman. So far, all of our swording has been monster slaying.

I don't think doing homework fits, not when Molly just really doesn't care much about school at this point. She dropped out before she even Exalted, and now her priorities are even less aligned with a formal muggle education. What's the worst that can happen if we don't do our homework? Charity grounds us?

Visiting Rosie is tempting, if only to stick to IC motivations (again, the POD happened just a couple days ago, we shouldn't be going out of our way to make OOC decisions just yet), but that's still a raw emotional wound and those are easy to avoid for a bit, especially for a teenager. Better to use the weekend time we have for more constructive purposes, then try to visit her after school one day next week, when our time is less flexible.

I don't quite know how an Urge works mechanically, but I can infer that it's an extremely important motivation for us. Well, what's more fitting to a teenager who has been unfairly grounded than seeking to satisfy that Urge to learn about the supernatural and secrets of the world than sneaking out to places where friendly or benign supernatural beings might congregate?

Thanks to Harry, we know a bit about McAnally's, and it being a static location we should be able to find it easily enough. It's also a pretty safe place and there are frequently quite a few patrons we might be able to speak with, many of whom are minor practitioners who could provide valuable insights to the Chicago scene that the bigger fish like Harry and Michael would miss entirely. Finding the Alphas is going to be a bit more difficult, but we know their stomping grounds and that they're friendly. Hell, if we aimlessly wander around the campus, they might find us instead.

[X] Haha, grounded? That's cute.
-[X] Make protective under-armor
-[X] Find some place to spar with your dad, you are pretty good with a sword, but it's hard to judge how good when all the opponents you faced are now dead
-[X] Visit McAnally's Pub alone, all the interesting stuff happens at night anyway
-[X] Look for those 'Alphas' who patrol the campus of the University of Chicago, there is no way you are meeting them with your dad in tow
 
Goldfish said:
I don't quite know how an Urge works mechanically, but I can infer that it's an extremely important motivation for us. Well, what's more fitting to a teenager who has been unfairly grounded than seeking to satisfy that Urge to learn about the supernatural and secrets of the world than sneaking out to places where friendly or benign supernatural beings might congregate?
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The Urge does not push you mechanically, it is a be a subtle narrative inclination towards Forbidden lore and secrets. Mechanically what it does it give you essence when you fulfill it and discover secrets of the supernatural. Given that a lack of essense is most often going to be the limiting factor on your dark miracles this will hopefully incline you to keep poking things even more.
 
DragonParadox said:
Or you know set loose a Sideireal Exaltation and then follow it to its destination. :V
The Crown will pierce Arcane Fate since it's not a perfect, though you have to be careful what you ask,
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Dunno if there's any Sidereal Exaltations still intact here.
But its not like a Sidereal Exalt is the only option here, given Dresdenverse cosmology.

Ghosts are a thing. So are spirits of knowledge like Bob.
Harry has a Fallen angel's shadow in his head, with the vast bulk of what that angel knows, and both Heavenly and Hellish factions have been known to disseminate techniques like Hellfire and Soulfire as part of their millenia old war.

Then there are all the gods and legbas and quasidivine powers. Odin has been alive and active for centuries, has seen more than he normally shares, and has been accumulating the souls of the worthy dead for at least that long.
The Archive is a thing, even, and Ivy is entirely willing to trade services if she thinks its necessary.

EDIT Also, temporal magic is a thing in Dresden. So you can simply watch a dead person do it.
Artemis1992 said:
I don't believe she's right and neither does Molly.
But trying to emphathize with her, I would say she judt almost lost her daughter and reacts by trying to excert control, which is not good but understandable.

If she gets time to process the information and Molly and Michael can talk to her outside of direct confrontation, I hope she will come around and accept the new situation.
If things don't get better in a month, I will vote to leave, but I want to give her a chance.
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Molly is 18 in 4 months.
She's a young adult; she may always be Charity's baby, but Charity knows damn well that would not have prevented the White Council trying her as an adult and cutting her head off.

My worry is their having a relationship in a month is at significant risk given the current trajectory.
Teenagers dont move out of their home with free food and board at 17 because they are happy, especially when their only problem is one of their parents.

Charity would have an easier job raising one of Molly's male siblings, because she wouldnt be letting her personal history cloud her judgement.
Goldfish said:
[X] Haha, grounded? That's cute.
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Yeah, you're going too far in the opposite direction.

She does not benefit from sparring with her father.
She's fought multiple Red Court vampires and Winter Court fae. She knows, deeply and intimately, that she's the shit in melee combat. She is lacking knowledge and information, not facewrecking skills. Testing herself against her father is an indulgence.

MacAnally's Bar is a bar. They serve alcohol. She's legally underage. They wont even let her in the door, especially showing up alone.

Sending a Melee 5 Infernal with an Agg weapon into the territory of a bunch of werewolves has the potential for all sorts of tragedy.
Especially given as your plan has done zero research on the supernatural community of Chicago, and you're just as likely to stab first and ask questions later when you see wolves.
 
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