Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[DragonParadox]

wait, why 7? It was 9 last turn, we used 1 mote for excellency.

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[Yog]

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Glad to help. Questions before planning:
1) How many motes does Harry have available right now?
2) Is Lydia (was present at the release and also a necromantic essence user) available and useful as a scrying focus?
3) Can two wizards (or wizards and Molly) collaborate on the ritual?
4) Can we do the same trick we did with the Sight to streamline / improve / make the ritual safer? Using the crown on preparation.
5) If Molly is the one doing magic, what would she be rolling? Would she be rolling it as path sorcery (something + occult) or as some manner of equivalent mage sorcery (Essence X2 roll??? I'm not sure)? Or will she be doing this as Ancient Sorcery?
6) Has Molly talked to Michael, as the original plan intended (I might have missed it; if so, sorry)?

 

[mastigos]

[] Use the spells of finding
-[] Listens to the Wind does it as the most senior wizard available in time
-[] Harry does it, maybe Awakened Essence will shield him
-[] In another life you might have been a wizard and you have been gaining more and more skill with magic of late, if only in the breaking. You will try

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Would Lydia be able to? She seems like the one best suited of all

 

[DragonParadox]

Glad to help. Questions before planning:
1) How many motes does Harry have available right now?
2) Is Lydia (was present at the release and also a necromantic essence user) available and useful as a scrying focus?
3) Can two wizards (or wizards and Molly) collaborate on the ritual?
4) Can we do the same trick we did with the Sight to streamline / improve / make the ritual safer? Using the crown on preparation.
5) If Molly is the one doing magic, what would she be rolling? Would she be rolling it as path sorcery (something + occult) or as some manner of equivalent mage sorcery (Essence X2 roll??? I'm not sure)? Or will she be doing this as Ancient Sorcery?
6) Has Molly talked to Michael, as the original plan intended (I might have missed it; if so, sorry)?

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1. His full pool
2. Not really, she did not interact with the shards in any meaningful way
3. No, they were designed to be used by a single trusted wizard on the reasoning that you should not expose more than strictly necessary to it
4. You might, but remember the clock is ticking on the Exaltation and then the Exalts being found or going to ground
5. Perception Occult with -3 dice from never having seen such a ritual before in her life
6. No, he's not home and he seems to be out of signal coverage

 

[DragonParadox]

Would Lydia be able to? She seems like the one best suited of all

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She does know some path sorcery so yes.

Since I realize this might cause confusion my answer to question 2 above was about Lydia as a Crown question, if you meant if she could use the ritual @Yog than the answer is yes she can just like Molly and under the same rules. She may have a lower DC or need fewer successes due to her affinity with the magic, Molly is not sure until she studies the thing which would take time.

 

[Yog]

Not really, she did not interact with the shards in any meaningful way

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What about Molly? She was the one by whose actions they were released.

Perception Occult with -3 dice from never having seen such a ritual before in her life

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Ok. Is this an extended roll, or a single roll for Harry and/or Molly? And do we have any idea how many motes the spell costs to cast? Or do we pay WP instead?

No, he's not home and he seems to be out of signal coverage

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Ok. Very, very important clarifying question: when did he leave? Charity should have been able to tell us.

 

[DragonParadox]

What about Molly? She was the one by whose actions they were released.

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Molly's Crown cannot be used with herself as focus, infinite mirror effect.

Ok. Is this an extended roll, or a single roll for Harry and/or Molly? And do we have any idea how many motes the spell costs to cast? Or do we pay WP instead?

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Single roll, you have to pay 1 willpower since you are casting as a sorcerer, Harry doesn't have to pay anything a a trained wizard with... some experience in necromancy

Ok. Very, very important clarifying question: when did he leave? Charity should have been able to tell us.

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The moment the sky changed

 

[ImBuda]

If we used the ritual as a Focus, can we then use a crown question to locatel the shards? Like "where are the objects that the last participant of this ritual wanted to find?"

 

[DragonParadox]

If we used the ritual as a Focus, can we then use a crown question to locatel the shards? Like "where are the objects that the last participant of this ritual wanted to find?"

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Would not work, the last person who used it was trying to find necromancers. Listens to the Wind is theorizing that since they are stained with the same magic it can also find the shards.

 

[ImBuda]

Would not work, the last person who used it was trying to find necromancers. Listens to the Wind is theorizing that since they are stained with the same magic it can also find the shards.

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And after, if the ritual fails??

 

[DragonParadox]

And after, if the ritual fails??

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Depending on how close it came it might work, the problem hinges on the 'attempt' in there, a bad enough result wouldn't even be a proper attempt. That said good thought, it's another refinement to add to the plan.

 

[BronzeTongue]

"What, like undead planets? Hells bells..." It is rare to see Harry in a crunch without a quip, but this manages to shake him.

Alas for him the older wizard just shakes his head. "No, no, nothing so small, older natures, older elements, things you and I will never see alive but which are still remembered, vast amalgamations out of time that pull on flesh and bone and spirit. They can't come back, but in their dreaming death, they can force other things to be, wrong, twisted that is the heart of what some call 'the black art of necromancy'. 'Art''s a foolish word for it, it implies something with purpose and meaning, but I couldn't tell you what wiser heads call it because the trully wise don't call it anything at all.

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Does any of this count as a new supernatural secret for the scene? Either the true root of necromancy or the fact that the council has spells for tracking this kind of thing.

 

[DragonParadox]

Does any of this count as a new supernatural secret for the scene? Either the true root of necromancy or the fact that the council has spells for tracking this kind of thing.

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The former doesn't count because it's an imperfect form of something you had already intuited, but the latter does. One moment.

 

[Yog]

Molly's Crown cannot be used with herself as focus, infinite mirror effect.

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Ah, sorry, miscommunication here: I meant, would using Molly or Lydia for the proposed wizard ritual make it easier?

Single roll, you have to pay 1 willpower since you are casting as a sorcerer, Harry doesn't have to pay anything a a trained wizard with... some experience in necromancy

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Ok. So, Let's roll this.

Molly is (4 Perception + 5 Occult) * 2 Excellency (definitely worth using it) + 2 WHWH +2 stunt (assuming we can get one) -3 unfamiliar ritual = 19 dice at -4 DC (BSM + CCC (ask Lydia to stop us from leaving until we finish the working)). And it's a favored ability.

Harry is 1 WP + X motes autosuccesses + 6 Arete dice. No DC adjustment.

Spoiler: Molly success probability table (for obtaining at least X successes)

DC\successes

<=0

>=1

>=2

>=3

>=4

>=5

>=6

>=7

>=8

>=9

>=10

>=11

>=12

>=13

>=14

>=15

3​

0​

100​

100​

100​

100​

100​

99.9999​

99.9996​

99.9976​

99.9863​

99.9403​

99.7491​

99.1535​

97.5247​

93.816​

86.7715​

4​

0​

100​

100​

100​

100​

99.999​

99.9941​

99.9704​

99.8708​

99.5484​

98.6518​

96.5311​

92.2812​

84.997​

74.172​

60.3657​

5​

0​

100​

100​

99.9994​

99.9936​

99.9628​

99.8504​

99.4634​

98.4188​

96.0568​

91.612​

84.2648​

73.8214​

60.8487​

46.6378​

32.9984​

6​

0​

100​

99.9964​

99.9716​

99.8689​

99.499​

98.4577​

96.0874​

91.5446​

84.169​

73.8787​

61.2688​

47.577​

34.3803​

23.0413​

14.2564​

7​

0.0056​

99.9944​

99.9341​

99.6603​

98.7696​

96.5151​

92.0753​

84.7671​

74.5675​

62.0268​

48.5191​

35.4617​

24.1364​

15.3133​

8.997​

4.9371​

8​

0.1069​

99.8931​

99.2821​

97.3877​

93.198​

85.9781​

75.6596​

62.8852​

49.1393​

35.9946​

24.6373​

15.7947​

9.4701​

5.2869​

2.7821​

1.3479​

9​

1.4447​

98.5553​

95.1383​

87.8204​

77.3219​

63.9561​

49.8061​

36.1329​

24.614​

15.7562​

9.408​

5.2585​

2.8078​

1.401​

0.6484​

0.2871​

10​

13.5191​

86.4809​

86.4809​

57.9434​

57.9434​

29.4364​

29.4364​

11.493​

11.493​

3.514​

3.514​

0.8719​

0.8719​

0.1765​

0.1765​

0.0287​

Spoiler: Harry success probability table, 4 motes, 1 WP spent

DC\successes

<=0

>=1

>=2

>=3

>=4

>=5

>=6

>=7

>=8

>=9

>=10

>=11

>=12

>=13

>=14

>=15

3​

0.0007​

99.9993​

99.9951​

99.9717​

99.847​

99.4847​

98.237​

95.4351​

88.7173​

77.7607​

59.0718​

38.779​

17.1603​

4.713​

0.7984​

0.077​

4​

0.0016​

99.9984​

99.9896​

99.9395​

99.7101​

98.9462​

96.7217​

91.6197​

81.6961​

66.0192​

45.8506​

25.7538​

10.4978​

2.9226​

0.5318​

0.0622​

5​

0.002​

99.998​

99.9825​

99.882​

99.4359​

97.967​

94.0406​

85.7717​

71.8686​

53.1022​

33.0479​

16.5441​

6.3675​

1.786​

0.3434​

0.0412​

6​

0.0018​

99.9982​

99.9741​

99.7964​

98.9894​

96.3559​

89.8427​

77.6962​

60.0006​

40.0152​

22.3424​

10.1723​

3.6585​

1.0193​

0.215​

0.0333​

7​

0.0028​

99.9972​

99.958​

99.6702​

98.2707​

93.7018​

83.4856​

67.0099​

46.9552​

28.1493​

14.1831​

5.9274​

2.0354​

0.5624​

0.1129​

0.018​

8​

0.0043​

99.9957​

99.9377​

99.4656​

97.0616​

89.4569​

74.2629​

54.1725​

34.0889​

18.4381​

8.4418​

3.3235​

1.0872​

0.2932​

0.0622​

0.0086​

9​

0.004​

99.996​

99.9215​

99.209​

95.3157​

82.8098​

61.2477​

40.9665​

22.2537​

11.21​

4.5101​

1.7365​

0.5068​

0.1427​

0.0303​

0.0062​

10​

0.0046​

99.9954​

99.8978​

98.8772​

92.7067​

72.6555​

43.3694​

31.0077​

10.7861​

7.7491​

1.5539​

1.1647​

0.1203​

0.0992​

0.0053​

0.0048​

So, assuming Harry spends 4 motes and 1 WP, and we don't need more than 5 successes, Harry should actually be better than Molly. If we need 10 or more successes, Molly is better.

I think I'll tentatively say Harry is better here, but I am not sure. Get him to spend 4 out of 5 motes he has on this, leaving 1 as backup, and 1 WP for 5 total autosuccesses.

The moment the sky changed

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Ok, so we can assume he's tackling at least one abyssal on his own, and was likely provided supernatural transportation. Sanya might also be doing this. Did Dresden receive any message from Fidellachus?

 

[DragonParadox]

Ok, so we can assume he's tackling at least one abyssal on his own, and was likely provided supernatural transportation. Sanya might also be doing this. Did Dresden receive any message from Fidellachus?

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Harry was not at home when it happened and in any case he has not known the sword (or the angel inside it really) to talk to him.

 

[Degorium]

Molly is (4 Perception + 5 Occult) * 2 Excellency (definitely worth using it) + 2 WHWH +2 stunt (assuming we can get one) -3 unfamiliar ritual = 19 dice at -4 DC (BSM + CCC (ask Lydia to stop us from leaving until we finish the working)). And it's a favored ability.

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Might want to factor in five paths one ring even if we can't get up to the full three dice bonus any one could help.

 

[Yog]

Might want to factor in five paths one ring even if we can't get up to the full three dice bonus any one could help.

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Oh, yeah, fair. We would need to make 2 occult rolls beforehand. That takes times, but should be manageable - debate something occult with Harry / Listens-to-Wind briefly, describe your understanding of black shard or neverborn or LoV... Yeah, doable. Ok. Let's add 2 more dice for Molly.

Spoiler: 21 dice table

DC\successes

<=0

>=1

>=2

>=3

>=4

>=5

>=6

>=7

>=8

>=9

>=10

>=11

>=12

>=13

>=14

>=15

3​

0​

100​

100​

100​

100​

100​

100​

99.9999​

99.9996​

99.9984​

99.9939​

99.9696​

99.868​

99.527​

98.5731​

96.3204​

4​

0​

100​

100​

100​

100​

99.9997​

99.9989​

99.9946​

99.9789​

99.9032​

99.6573​

98.9993​

97.4274​

94.2683​

88.6189​

79.876​

5​

0​

100​

100​

99.9996​

99.9986​

99.9911​

99.9613​

99.8435​

99.4735​

98.5405​

96.4857​

92.6001​

86.2666​

77.0958​

65.3978​

52.1693​

6​

0.0002​

99.9998​

99.999​

99.9928​

99.958​

99.8202​

99.3911​

98.2588​

95.8705​

91.509​

84.6262​

75.0706​

63.3581​

50.3951​

37.5469​

26.1629​

7​

0.0026​

99.9974​

99.9752​

99.8582​

99.4208​

98.2223​

95.624​

90.8481​

83.4522​

73.4434​

61.4464​

48.581​

36.0993​

25.1246​

16.3927​

9.9819​

8​

0.0546​

99.9454​

99.6152​

98.509​

95.8126​

90.7156​

82.8311​

72.2278​

59.7538​

46.6821​

34.3795​

23.8273​

15.5181​

9.476​

5.448​

2.9387​

9​

0.9328​

99.0672​

96.6394​

91.1883​

82.7379​

71.2067​

58.0502​

44.437​

32.1129​

21.8414​

13.9976​

8.4778​

4.843​

2.6349​

1.3411​

0.6374​

10​

10.9768​

89.0232​

89.0232​

63.521​

63.521​

35.1732​

35.1732​

15.1994​

15.1994​

5.2008​

5.2008​

1.443​

1.443​

0.3298​

0.3298​

0.0662​

Same reasoning - Harry is better for achieving first degree legendary success, Molly is better for stretch goals. If we assume "mere" legendary success is enough, Harry is the go-to man. Molly is also a better tank, which is important in case there's combat.

So, for now

[X] Use the spells of finding
-[X] Harry does it, maybe Awakened Essence will shield him
--[X] Spends 4 motes and 1 WP for autosuccesses

 

[NinjaOfOrthanc]

[X] Yog

 

[Yog]

I am ready to listen to counter-arguments. The logic behind this is that Harry shouldn't be the frontline fight in these encounters, and so might as well spend motes here. Should we wait in bleach while the ritual is performed? Might get us 1 mote, I think.

 

[Azais]

I am ready to listen to counter-arguments. The logic behind this is that Harry shouldn't be the frontline fight in these encounters, and so might as well spend motes here. Should we wait in bleach while the ritual is performed? Might get us 1 mote, I think.

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This logic is good and the role of wizards like Harry should always be to use rituals and provide back-end help, not front-end fighting (no matter how good some are).

[X] Yog

 

[Narasan]

[X] Yog


So we didnt crown question the knight on where are the newest essence users?

Right now we need essence,ok, but we did just regenerate everything. Did i miss a discussion,or?

 

[Goldfish]

[X] Yog

 

[Yog]

[X] Yog


So we didnt crown question the knight on where are the newest essence users?

Right now we need essence,ok, but we did just regenerate everything. Did i miss a discussion,or?

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Yes, I think using the recordings of the phenomena didn't go through. And since Lydia was ruled not to be a good enough focus for a crown for this, I think we can safely conclude that Harry or the knights aren't either.

The argument for essence austerity is that we have 4 abyssals to deal with. 4 is a lot. Even if we can (probably, hopefully) count one as being dealt with by Michael (and I am questioning very, very much why we haven't provided him with a spirit possessed satellite phone yet), that still leaves three, and narrative causality dictates that at least one is likely to be hostile. And we cannot deal with that by killing them, as we don't have means of shard containment

This logic is good and the role of wizards like Harry should always be to use rituals and provide back-end help, not front-end fighting (no matter how good some are).

[X] Yog

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The only question is whether Harry uses all his motes, or leaves something in reserve. Right now I am having him keep one for emergency, or possibly to improve odds of containing a free shard after we have to kill one Exalt.

 

[Narasan]

So we cant find them through essence users. Bummer. Yeah,then lets do a divination. Also i think michael is busy,or doesnt want to talk. Its a big world. Im not so sure about harry. Its a good idea. But
1. Its putting him in the backline.
2.Its getting him in contact with powerful evil stuff.
3. Its a good idea.

These things never work out with harry.

Its tropes, and it could work,the author is generous, but we are playing with fire here.

 

[Ivar]

[X] Yog