See this:
We arent getting his ghost if something already has a claim on it.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
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- Earth
It's capped by willpower too, so 9 at most.
We still get crown questions, and he should have left plenty of foci behind. His property, all of his movies, all of his lovers, etc.
We can afford to kill him.
VOTE
[X] Knock Madrigal out before moving on, you would like to know what a treasomous high placed vampire was doing at splattercon or why he was even a horror director to begin with
RATIONALE
I would prefer not to kill him.
We lose intelligence if we kill him, and the events surrounding Splattercon remain a mystery. Knocking him out or disabling him with MHM is fairly straightforward too.
That said, the fact that we know he was a public figure means that there are existing focuses out there for us to use the Crown on: his movies, video and photographs of his publicity appearances, even his house.
I would prefer not to kill him.
I wont be broken up about his death, but I'd prefer not to kill him.
[X] Knock Madrigal out before moving on, you would like to know what a treasomous high placed vampire was doing at splattercon or why he was even a horror director to begin with
RATIONALE
I would prefer not to kill him.
We lose intelligence if we kill him, and the events surrounding Splattercon remain a mystery. Knocking him out or disabling him with MHM is fairly straightforward too.
That said, the fact that we know he was a public figure means that there are existing focuses out there for us to use the Crown on: his movies, video and photographs of his publicity appearances, even his house.
We can mitigate his death. Not quite the same thing.
I would prefer not to kill him.
I wont be broken up about his death, but I'd prefer not to kill him.
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Don't screw with the buff order; we've gone through a couple combat turn equivalents so they should be up already or going up before we actually hit him. Delaying would mean additional vulnerability.
Is that timeline accurate @DragonParadox ?
Yeah. I know the charm doesn't give essence form certain categories of minion, but it does drain something from anything sentient we kill to give us the fine dining effect and the whole point of spirit killers is that if you manage to use them the target gets banished from relevance.
Full soul death is too far as I see it, but enough damage that the design intent of the charm is preserved seems reasonable to me.
The only change in advantage is that we don't end up in a situation where both killing and sparing someone leave impossible to plug leaks to a distant master, because the data is gone for all parties even if the soul is largely intact.
It's kind of annoying to deal with stuff that can effectively have all the benefits of being a spirit but also gets to run home to tattle on us if we completely defeat it.
Not worth the deviation in my book. We have concrete goals to accomplish here related to our rep, obligations to the ordo, and relationship with the white court.
Sparing him doesn't advance our attempt to make very clear some lines should not be crossed for any reason, leaves an active enemy of our nominal faction in a position to potentially be a problem later, and weakens the position of the side of the white court we're propping up.
Seriously, Madrigal is a major Raith player in the plot here who attacked the king in front of his nobles. That sort of apparent favoritism isn't likely to go well.
Lara's priorities aren't and shouldn't be ours, but at this point we've invested in her and stand to gain a lot of influence in her government from favors and simply because if we publicly screw with her it undermines the foundations of her centralization efforts.
It's not control, but ignoring us will have risk and cost for her that it wouldn't for others as long as she comes out in control.
Potential lore shouldn't distract us from our actual needs and goals here.
Everyone on our list from the crown needs to die tonight. Everyone Lara claims were helping them needs their shit rocked and to be throughly intimidated at minimum. Some we might also want to kill because we don't like them or they're in our way, but they're primarily Lara's priority that she's trying to slip onto our plate.
Indulging her equals a stronger transition and more influence for us, but it's reasonable to be wary about doing her dirty work with so little time to verify the targets.
All else aside, he's a vampire with the juice to regenerate limbs removed via shotgun over the course of an interrogation. Bashing or choking him out is unlikely to last long, which means taking more time to restrain him while we're in the middle of a fight.
This is actually a good argument IC and OOC.
Dammit.
[X] Kill Madrigal quickly and move down the list
OctarineShrike
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[X] Kill Madrigal quickly and move down the list
- Location
- washington
how dare they make calm and logical arguments its our only weakness here!
A). Someone needs to come up with a good stunt, because we will need it
B) After we buy our hell, we need to get a Perfect defense or an anti-shaping charm! Preferably both!
B) After we buy our hell, we need to get a Perfect defense or an anti-shaping charm! Preferably both!
They're so expensive. We'll have to save for it like the hell. Probably anti-shaping first unless we pick the most expensive perfect defense, which would apply to some but not all shaping style things.
- Location
- Brazil
One of the perfect defense isn't from Kakuri, where do we get discount? We can take the cheapest one first and then save for anti-shaping.
The issue is that each perfect has different flaws, and technically Holden broke the primacy of defense by distinguishing between perfect blocking and perfect soaking. There are explicit solar only charms that go straight through one sort but not the other.
We have options for both, which encourages doubling up and purchasing the expensive defenses first, because our least flawed and broadest available defenses are all the most expensive ones.
The Kakuri perfect, Bloodless Murk Evasion, is the cheapest and comes with a neat teleport effect, but it can also be turned off by bright light and anyone throwing around anti-CoD magic on top of being perfect block/evade instead of soak. Which makes it the most vulnerable perfect we have.
I really hate needing to track this. It'd be so much better if defensive primacy was maintained and we only needed to worry about flaws as normal, but it's explicit in the book that there are cases where this matters.
At the level Molly will need to operate at I suspect we'll run into this sort of rare scenario more frequently than most.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Once we get our kingdom Murder is meat should give us the option of sending the sprirt to our kingdom.
- Location
- washington
nah betraying lara could make a total comeback.
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- Location
- Estonia
[X] Kill Madrigal quickly and move down the list
We aren't the only one here with a death list. Even if we render him unconscious, there's no guarantee in the default vote that someone else won't just finish the job after we move on, unless we:
1) Stay to guard him, and betray Lara by leaving the big threats, like the Skavis head, to her.
2) Do some stunt to yell across the hall that "he is ours, now" or something.
I'm not as certain that we can interrogate his ghost as some, I think it's just not worth it at this point.
We aren't the only one here with a death list. Even if we render him unconscious, there's no guarantee in the default vote that someone else won't just finish the job after we move on, unless we:
1) Stay to guard him, and betray Lara by leaving the big threats, like the Skavis head, to her.
2) Do some stunt to yell across the hall that "he is ours, now" or something.
I'm not as certain that we can interrogate his ghost as some, I think it's just not worth it at this point.
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Well with that chapter title some thing along the lines of
-[] It seems like the party has started. So there are vital instructions to give. You want to leave an impression after all. *Clippy be so nice and play Bodies.* Then you yank once more on Mardigal. This time towards you, a blade burning with the fires of annahilation should make for an more than adequate substitute.
Unfortunately is the mainiac cover by carpenter brut not out yet.
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- She/Her
[X] Kill Madrigal quickly and move down the list
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
- Location
- ALSO SCREAMING.
[X] Kill Madrigal quickly and move down the list
For what its worth. We're in 'keep it simple, stupid' territory and it would be easy to outthink ourselves by trying some complicated play. We are now the blade of the world against something it can not countenance, a beast of flame and eyes, and simplicity is our strength until heads are parted from shoulders.
For what its worth. We're in 'keep it simple, stupid' territory and it would be easy to outthink ourselves by trying some complicated play. We are now the blade of the world against something it can not countenance, a beast of flame and eyes, and simplicity is our strength until heads are parted from shoulders.
If you ask me? In order of importance:
Hell: 20xp
Crafting charm: 18xp
The City Still Stands: 1-Up Charm: 15xp
Ego Infused Pattern Primacy: Anti-Shaping Charm: 20xp
If we had to buy a perfect defense right now, I would be voting for Counter-Conceptual Interposition, which is 4 dots/16xp, and is the one PD whose only flaw is basically increased cost if you dont recognize the power being used or the supernatural being doing the attacking.