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I guess he's not a Grigori then.
A Watcher should be ignoring 1s on watching after all...
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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A Watcher should be ignoring 1s on watching after all...
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Offhand how many rules are you gonna make up on it dp? Cause we know there are rules harry doesn't know or well that harry doesn't talk about for the benefit of the reader. Since butcher clearly wants bigger reveals and less legal minutia.
I do not have a hard number in mind, but if you take the option it is going to reveal some things about the current shape of the supernatural world and why it looks the way it does
Man, Harry is going to feel all kinds of conflicted when Molly ends up becoming a world.
It's also interesting to see the separation taking place in the scale of Molly's thinking vs Harry's given he talks about Mab as a force of nature and Molly's thinking 'I can totally fight a blizzard' and being correct to a certain extent.
It's also interesting to see the separation taking place in the scale of Molly's thinking vs Harry's given he talks about Mab as a force of nature and Molly's thinking 'I can totally fight a blizzard' and being correct to a certain extent.
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You gonna leave some room for more rules? Simply cause we know butchers definitely gonna add more or reveal more in later books? Or just make the whole thing now cause it's not gonna matter for at least two books since the next book is supposed to be in another world. Which means it won't matter for years in real life.
Edit: though technically next book should show some stuff it's more a change of choice probably focused on Dresden making a different choice in changes and what that would mean for the world in the next book.
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There might be some rules around the edges, but if you guys read the articles of the accords you will have read the articles of the accords, I am not going to spring new Article 59B on you later just because it was introduced in new canon.
The thing is, Harry has dealt with all kinds of other people equally as 'inhuman' and powerful such as Lasciel and Odin and Uriel and Hades and suchlike without depersonalizing them just because they're also an inhumanly powerful force of nature driven by certain urges. Even Maeve and the Mothers don't get that treatment. He's got kind of a thing about Fae MILFs due to his godmother is what I figure.
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So In character expect to have read it unless it fucks up the story. In which case we will retcon it.
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As butcher once said Harry's an idiot
And does not know when to shut up.
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Oh don't forget there is a word about weregild in there dp.
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Imma note all the laws that mab follows aren't in the accords whether by nature or by promises. But, a lot should be there's definitely stuff about guest rights in there.
Yep, and anything I introduce will be consistent with you having read it, I am not going to make you guys pay for any ret-cons that may happen and that goes as a general principle for how I GM.
The Accords are a formalized superstructure on top of the metaphysics of the setting, they are designed to make it easier for beings with wildly different natures and histories to if not get along then at least fight in ways that do not harm or drag in uninvolved third parties
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[X] Read the Accords
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The powers of Winter
-[X] The strategies of Winter
Bob's whole thing is that he knows too much, to the point that Winter might kill him for it if they had the chance.
We gotta use that.
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The powers of Winter
-[X] The strategies of Winter
Bob's whole thing is that he knows too much, to the point that Winter might kill him for it if they had the chance.
We gotta use that.
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No disagreements I'm just adding that not everything in the list is everything mab is bound to. I doubt faerie law is in there everything in there is something she's agreed to though.
Edit:also small note which I really should let go not everything new butcher introduces is a retcon some are definitely planned.
Anything he introduces that we here did not see coming is by definition a ret-con for this quest
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There's probably something in the accords about trade and what to do if someone breaks the accords.
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Please either combine these posts after making them, or wait and think a bit before making them. Triple-posting is unecessary.
Probably several somethings, starting at things the injured party is allowed to do in order to seek remedy and escalating all the way to having to deal with the full might of Winter for particularly egregious violations, but it is worth keeping in mind that these are accords not the laws of a united state, it is going to err more on means of finding your own justice than putting someone on trial by Mab whenever possible.
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I thought about that edits don't usually alert someone though. So good chances they're not noticed.
I think at least part of the accords idea is not even just mab enforcing things. But, mab wanting the combined power of the accord to help enforce things. Not always directly mind you just Mab definitely uses the power of said combined signatories to some degree in political situations. I think there's probably something about combined enforcement for those who cause trouble in neutral territory after all.
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Knowing the relevant provisions of the Accords are a basic requirement, IMO.
Along with that, in addition to learning more about the powers at Winter's command, I think it would be quite worthwhile to get more information about Winter's enemies; who they are, where they are, why they are enemies, etc. It can't just be the Outsiders, after all, and the old saying about enemies of enemies is a classic for a reason.
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The powers of Winter
-[X] The enemies of Winter
[X] Read the Accords
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
Along with that, in addition to learning more about the powers at Winter's command, I think it would be quite worthwhile to get more information about Winter's enemies; who they are, where they are, why they are enemies, etc. It can't just be the Outsiders, after all, and the old saying about enemies of enemies is a classic for a reason.
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The powers of Winter
-[X] The enemies of Winter
[X] Read the Accords
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
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[X] Read the Accords
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The powers of Winter
-[X] The strategies of Winter
First we shouldn't ask Harry for advice about this situation, just because Mab has always been more careful (gentle not careful yes) in her interactions with him (whether he acknowledges it or not). First because of his lineage (the Blackstaff is someone Mab should consider) and mainly because a Starborn is invaluable to Mab and her eternal struggle at the Outer Gates.
Michael must not know much as the knights' areas focus on fighting the Denarios, stopping the various forms of the end of the world and not letting Old Gods out of prison, not Winter. And Usum shouldn't know much either as I doubt Mab would tell her evil plans or explain her rationale for her actions to her garden statues (she's too competent for that).
The most likely actions for us to give bonuses are reading the rules to understand some of the supernatural history and why the world is the way it is and completely abusing the secrets that Bob has buried in his skull (very juicy secrets that Winter would kill him if they got him)
Also get ready, Mab will be coming as prepared as we are and she will try to wring every last bit of value out of us as possible, we may be good but she's still dangerous. But... if we can leverage our Ritual of Exorcism and prove that we can remove Nemesis, she can also be a great ally.
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The powers of Winter
-[X] The strategies of Winter
First we shouldn't ask Harry for advice about this situation, just because Mab has always been more careful (gentle not careful yes) in her interactions with him (whether he acknowledges it or not). First because of his lineage (the Blackstaff is someone Mab should consider) and mainly because a Starborn is invaluable to Mab and her eternal struggle at the Outer Gates.
Michael must not know much as the knights' areas focus on fighting the Denarios, stopping the various forms of the end of the world and not letting Old Gods out of prison, not Winter. And Usum shouldn't know much either as I doubt Mab would tell her evil plans or explain her rationale for her actions to her garden statues (she's too competent for that).
The most likely actions for us to give bonuses are reading the rules to understand some of the supernatural history and why the world is the way it is and completely abusing the secrets that Bob has buried in his skull (very juicy secrets that Winter would kill him if they got him)
Also get ready, Mab will be coming as prepared as we are and she will try to wring every last bit of value out of us as possible, we may be good but she's still dangerous. But... if we can leverage our Ritual of Exorcism and prove that we can remove Nemesis, she can also be a great ally.
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[X] Read the Accords
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The powers of Winter
-[X] The strategies of Winter
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The powers of Winter
-[X] The strategies of Winter
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technically the biggest on the ground enemy of winter would be summer. Only technically though its closer to like a cold war with a bunch of skirmishes really. I'm unsure outside of individual and small group enemies that they have anything other than outsider stuff. Not to say none of those individual and small group enemies aren't powerful.
[X] Read the Accords
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The strategies of Winter
-[X] Mab's history
Winter's various powers aren't as relevant to us as insight into how Mab operates is.
-[X] Provisions, what is this pact Mab put her power on the line for
[X] Question Bob about...
-[X] The strategies of Winter
-[X] Mab's history
Winter's various powers aren't as relevant to us as insight into how Mab operates is.
We don't actually know enough about nemesis to make this suggestion ourselves, so leveraging that bit might be difficult.