The ritual takes an hour. Keeping a Denarian contained for an hour is... not easy to say the least.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I still think the spell is effectivly useless against Denarians.
If we have one captured, we could also kill it.
And unlike Fomori, Denarians can also willingly reject the Coin.
I look forward to using the ritual in the endgame to cast a Denarian out of the Coin and battle its true form, but before that stage, the spell is not optimal for them.
If we have one captured, we could also kill it.
And unlike Fomori, Denarians can also willingly reject the Coin.
I look forward to using the ritual in the endgame to cast a Denarian out of the Coin and battle its true form, but before that stage, the spell is not optimal for them.
Still a way better chance than any other things, you can keep them unconscious for an hour if needed.
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[X] Reach out for the spark within, let it illuminate your path (-10 XP for this Arc; Gain Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism)
I think that this spell could also turn a white vampire or halfway converted red human.
I think that this spell could also turn a white vampire or halfway converted red human.
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ehhhhhh that depends I can think of several methods to do it. Not even really impossible in canon just hard.
Clearly we need to go one step past Original-Molly's fashion sense and start wearing a dog collar with a built-in shock collar function.CCC was not used as you did not have anyone ruthless enough to enforce it to a level the charm would recognize. Both Michael and Father Forthill are too nice for it. If you had put a demon in the door that would have worked, but alas the church door does not have an electronic lock, surely an oversight of the design.
Just because we get the spell, doesn't mean we're using it at this moment.
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Eh it kinda does otherwise why the hell would dp give it as an option. That's just a dick move.
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[x] Reach out for the spark within, let it illuminate your path (-10 XP for this Arc; Gain Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism)
The spell is most likely useful for:
1) Unawakened whampires
2) Half-reds before they turn (possibly even full reds, but that would be at least fomori level damage)
3) bakemono
4) Mantle holders, assuming we want someone once-mortal demantled without killing them. There's a number of scenarios where this can happen.
1) Unawakened whampires
2) Half-reds before they turn (possibly even full reds, but that would be at least fomori level damage)
3) bakemono
4) Mantle holders, assuming we want someone once-mortal demantled without killing them. There's a number of scenarios where this can happen.
Note that the lethal damage from tearing the bane part of a fomor off isn't unique to Sapphire Circle Banishment. The other extraordinary magics that can manage it also do that much damage.
I'm not sure Mantle Holders are possessed. Nemesis victims may be though…
I'm not sure Mantle Holders are possessed. Nemesis victims may be though…
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You can take a Denarian's coin from them, which limits them to the powers held by the mortal. They can call it back, but it isn't instant and seems to be lengthened by containment attempts.
Arranging it would still be hard, but once we actually get a hold of the coin we'd have a window to make an attempt.
Though I'm honestly more interested in figuring out how to get to the delicious caramel center of the fallen angel without opening ourselves to retaliation.
Somehow it seems like blasting it with buffed up perfects seems like the sort of thing that would given them permission to retaliate.
Last time we talked about this we got a ruling that a restraint system would actually have to meaningfully impede us to work, even if we could bust out of it in a turn of focused effort.
I get that, and agree for some of them, but there are a few reasons to try the the way in a few cases.
First is petty spite writ large; the fallen have to follow rules, but mortals are just victims and very rarely* junior partners.
Beating them under the white God's rules is one thing, but I eagerly await the day where we can go "we're doing this my way because fuck you that's why" and make an hellbound angel in all its horrific glory sit in the corner.
Second is because some of their victims get strung along just far enough to be taken to the point where their ability to choose is theoretical at best.
See what Magog does to anyone who picks up his coin. If his host from canon wasn't crucified inside his own soul, likely too brainwashed and actively tormented to be coherent on a regular basis, he'd probably try to get rid of his coin.
Third is because it's a useful way to stay stable with the knights and get stuff done. I understand why they have the policies they do, but I don't particularly like them.
Killing Denarians as a first choice regularly is likely to cause us trouble with them on some level. Good faith exorcisms that simply end in executions if something goes wrong however seem like they'd have a lot more mileage with them. I don't even mean in a duplicitous sense; my goal in this would be to stop the Denarians from being assholes.
We can make a legitimate attempt at capture and exorcism while also fully preparing to ensure that they won't escape alive without any more contradictions than there are between having homeowner's insurance and an emergency savings account.
* Nicodemus and Anduriel's power and therefore ability to get the others to openly acknowledge them as their leaders on a semi regular basis is founded on their strong partnership and how rare such a relationship is for them.
Half reds are a maybe, but I don't think that's how it'd work for full ones. They actually undergo a full change rather than being linked to something else. What it might do is break the ability of their sire to mind control them though.
I'm curious about how that function operates in general really, given the differences between DF and WoD mind magic. Could we purge persistent commands? Would it cure Rosie's derangement for example by undoing the "highlights" Molly added to her personality, or has the magic worn off and turned into mental inertia?
If one is ruthless enough and you had said Nick as a prisoner without his demon... well Crowned with Fury is a thing and he would know quite a lot.
Consider Spawning Pit Sanctification:
Becoming a bakemono can be through full body change. Assuming that SRE works on the products of SPS ( @DragonParadox ?), it should also naturally work on a red vampire. Now, the question whether the result is a human trapped in a vampiric body, a mortal human with human body, or an empty husk of a vampiric body with a red vampiric spirit hovering nearby is a question indeed.
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I think fluff is the key here: "a purifying mandala of absolute reality which splits apart any unnatural joining of matter and spirit."
So, it should split apart anything unnaturally magic that is anchored to mundane matter into magical component and mundane component.
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Molly would need to study a Red Court Vampire up close after getting the spell to be sure. She cannot roll for information about the details of a spell she does not have when she does not have Ancient Sorcery at all. IC right now all she knows is that there is a thing she can get which might help.
I'm aware. Shock equipment + demon ordered to use it + make it hard to break out of even when you AREN'T spasming from electricity
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Keep in mind that killing them if they don't give up the Coin willingly is already their normal procedure.
Since the Ritual can only work if the Denarian is already captured, there's no difference in the actual fight and the Denarian who refuses to give up the Coin is okay to kill.
Eh, he has propably enough WP to kill himself resisting the Crown.If one is ruthless enough and you had said Nick as a prisoner without his demon... well Crowned with Fury is a thing and he would know quite a lot.
I think Red Court vampires are like parasitic wasps. They lay an egg inside a mortal and when that mortal drinks blood the egg hatches, eating the mortal, and the newborn Red Vampire wears their skin and steals their memories, but they're not that person. They're that person's murderer.
If one is ruthless enough and you had said Nick as a prisoner without his demon... well Crowned with Fury is a thing and he would know quite a lot.
If we're ruthless enough we kill him in a way that produces a ghost and use ghost binding ancient sorcery to make him spill the beans as I wanted to do to Corpsetaker.
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But we shouldn't. Firstly, we have to make some healing solutions, because there is a great chance that the girl will be harmed during the ritual.
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[X] No, trust that the exorcism will work