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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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zxzx24 said:
Yeah, I would vote for it as well. It promises to be very cool and fun.

It's just not going to meaningfully impact our or anyone we care about "safety."
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Safety comes in different flavors. The flavor some of us are concerned with involves not being reduced to a meat smear, charcoal briquette, soulless husk, etc., if we cross the wrong being at the wrong time.

Some of that might be more the 'sense of safety' than actual protection, but sometimes that's all you need, especially when interacting with various sorts of supernatural gribblies. Confidence goes a long way in DF, so long as you have the ability to back that confidence up when the shit hits the fan and everything starts exploding.
 
Goldfish said:
Safety comes in different flavors. The flavor some of us are concerned with involves not being reduced to a meat smear, charcoal briquette, soulless husk, etc., if we cross the wrong being at the wrong time.

Some of that might be more the 'sense of safety' than actual protection, but sometimes that's all you need, especially when interacting with various sorts of supernatural gribblies. Confidence goes a long way in DF, so long as you have the ability to back that confidence up when the shit hits the fan and everything starts exploding.
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I still fundamentally disagree with it being a meaningful improvement to any kind of "safety." And if people are voting for it expecting that I think they should look elsewhere. Like hellscry chakra or the one that makes us immune to ambushes and traps.

I'll still vote for it though. Being able to sword things incredibly well is very cool. :V Its just means were not good for much else.

Speaking of good for the charm does make us better on offense. We are a substantial second fiddle for someone who can actually do the things.

Like Harry... or Michael :V This isn't a single player game. Nor are we without allies, or even friends.

If were Unga Bunga hit you with stick lady might as well be far and away the best Unga Bunga hit you with stick lady.

Man speaking of safety remember when we were looking at ego infused pattern primacy?

True names, curses, getting transformed into animals,
 
Valkhir said:
What do you mean Michael? He is also a beatstick.
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And he is very effective back up in the Dresden Files books isn't he?

Hes got something that no amount of excellence can replicate. Age and experience.

Hes a beatstick, but hes still alive after years fighting the Denarians. He knows what tricks he needs to stay alive.

I fully expect we are now better, or at least on par with Michael when it comes to sword fighting skill.

However.

How to apply that swordfighting? To complete missions? Hunt Deadly foes? Save people? I expect he would have quite a bit to teach.

He might not be able to whip out charms for or exalted sorcery for any given problem, but he will have found ways to deal with them within his reach by virtue of simply having survived so long.
 
Just saying that most of the problems of family safety and security, go away if we have enough money. And a lot of other things as well, just 9xp.

Need magic just hire 50 of the minor talents to work for us. Turning out protection enchanted items and ward around places.
Need a node just buy it, hell just buy the entire block as well 50 million to a few dozen people is nothing. Then renovate it into a personal palace/fortress.
Family away from home, just hire 50 low profile former military to run bodyguards duty.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
Just saying that most of the problems of family safety and security, go away if we have enough money. And a lot of other things as well, just 9xp.

Need magic just hire 50 of the minor talents to work for us. Turning out protection enchanted items and ward around places.
Need a node just buy it, hell just buy the entire block as well 50 million to a few dozen people is nothing. Then renovate it into a personal palace/fortress.
Family away from home, just hire 50 low profile former military to run bodyguards duty.
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Sadly we opted not to start with Verdant Empress endowment.
 
...wait a second. Michael, our sire, is a Knight of the Cross. Your typical religious Knighthood Order that roots itself in order to protect the weak from the Supernatural or trying to spread the will of God, aye?

Does he have True Faith Rating? If so, how high is he?
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
...wait a second. Michael, our sire, is a Knight of the Cross. Your typical religious Knighthood Order that roots itself in order to protect the weak from the Supernatural or trying to spread the will of God, aye?

Does he have True Faith Rating? If so, how high is he?
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At least in the Dresdenverse Faith has some degree of Flexibility as an anti-vampire weapon(Dresden can use his pentacle amulet as a holy symbol against vampires). But IIRC a vampire experienced harm from touching Michael at Bianca's party in Grave Peril(Book 3)

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Jack vile Ripper said:
...wait a second. Michael, our sire, is a Knight of the Cross. Your typical religious Knighthood Order that roots itself in order to protect the weak from the Supernatural or trying to spread the will of God, aye?

Does he have True Faith Rating? If so, how high is he?
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I mean yeah Micheal has True Faith, that is kind of a requirement, though it does not have to be necessarily in the White God. Sanya for instance thinks of himself as an atheist though he is a Knight and was granted his sword by the Archangel Micheal. When Harry asked him how that could be he shrugged and asked 'how do you know it wasn't an alien?'. What he does hold to is the principles of the knights including saving the Denarians from the Fallen... because among other things he used to be a Denarian before giving up his coin.
 
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DragonParadox said:
I mean yeah Micheal has True Faith, that is kind of a requirement, though it does not have to be necessarily in the White God. Sanya for instance thinks of himself as an atheist though he is a Knight and was granted his sword by the Archangel Micheal. When harry asked him how that could be he shrugged and asked 'how do you know it wasn't an alien?'. What he does hold to is the principles of the knights including saving the Denarians from the Fallen... because he used to be a Denarian.
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Yep, it does not have to be a Faith in a God, True Faith is the utter belief in something, so involate, so utterly unbreakable that you gain power from it. It's not Godly blessing, although it will certainly help, the power came from you.

Such as a Hindu Blind Yogi walking through a forest full of wild and dangerous animals only to emerge unscathed on his journey, an Imam who recites Holy Scriptures to burn away Vampires to dust, or even just someone with a deep Love towards Humanity as a concept, an ardor so deep that they could heal a man with just one touch to his eyes.

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The Faithful is able to repel vampires, the dead, and other creatures that live by or in the shadows of the world with the force of her inner light. She may wield prayers, holy symbols, or simply the intensity of her presence to drive them back and away. Spend a Willpower point and roll her True Faith against a difficulty of the creature's current Willpower points. If no successes are rolled, the creature is not driven away, but it has felt the weight of Faith and cannot move forward against the Faithful with hostility or ill intent. If the roll is fully successful, each success becomes a turn that the creature must run in existential terror of the Faithful, assured of the power of faith. If the Faithful has physical contact with the creature at the time of the roll, any successes rolled become automatic aggravated damage against the monster, making this a potentially deadly force against the forces of darkness.
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The Faithful knows that the presence of the unnatural is in diametric opposition to her own harmonious existence. Any time a Faithful is in the vicinity of an unnatural or evil being, the Storyteller should alert the Faithful to a feeling of intense unease. Depending on the number of monsters, or the strength of their evil, the Storyteller may express increasing unease. There is no roll necessary, and in some especially wicked cases, the Storyteller may call out a specific person as a monster, rather than leaving it vague. While this will alert the character to a monster hidden supernaturally, for example with the Obfuscate Discipline, the character is only alerted that the unnatural exists near her; at this level of Faith, it does not immediately reveal the evil's exact presence or identity.
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The Faithful is steadfast in her mind. She is immune to the effects of Chimerstry, Dementation, Dominate, Obfuscate, and any other supernatural power that confounds the mind or tries to change it.
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The Faithful is steadfast in her heart. She is immune to the Blood Oath and ghouling, and she cannot be raised as a ghost or a shuffling dead after death. She is immune to Presence or any other supernatural power that manipulates emotions.
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In a brilliant manifestation of inner light, the Faithful is a living, breathing beacon of what she believes to be right and good. Hearing her pray or preach, whisper poems, or simply speak kindly fills any unnatural creature with an inner loathing for any and all sin they have committed. In those moments, the creature has no doubt of its loathsome nature. Vampires must roll to resist Rötschreck at a difficulty 9 or be forced to flee for the duration of the scene. If she cannot flee, she will shrink to the corners and do herself physical harm, attempting to end her own inner agony. Other kinds of shadow creatures react similarly. The monster may take the opportunity to redeem himself afterward; raising his Road occurs at half normal cost. If he does not do so within the next story, he automatically loses a dot of his Road and one dot in his highest Virtue as he revels in monstrosity and runs from the light.
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But there is a catch. True Faith is a powerful thing, but it can be easily lost. For instance, if you were True Faith 5, you cannot think of any evil deeds or your True Faith rating will go down.

With the way Michael is described, I'm thinking he's True Faith 3. His soul a bastion of Will and he cannot be corrupted so long as he holds that belief within him.

Last I remember, Joshua bar Maryam of Nazareth has True Faith 5 (or was it Humanity 9 though?).
 
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Jack vile Ripper said:
Yep, it does not have to be a Faith in a God, True Faith is the utter belief in something, so involate, so utterly unbreakable that you gain power from it. It's not Godly blessing, although it will certainly help, the power came from you.

Such as a Hindu Blind Yogi walking through a forest full of wild and dangerous animals only to emerge unscathed on his journey, an Imam who recites Holy Scriptures to burn away Vampires to dust, or even just someone with a deep Love towards Humanity as a concept, an ardor so deep that they could heal a man with just one touch to his eyes.

But there is a catch. True Faith is a powerful thing, but it can be easily lost. For instance, if you were True Faith 5, you cannot think of any evil deeds or your True Faith rating will go down.

With the way, Michael is described, I'm thinking he's True Faith 3. His soul a bastion of Will and he cannot be corrupted so long as he hold that belief within him.

Last I remember, Joshua bar Maryam of Nazareth has True Faith 5.
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I vaguely remember in some Mage book there was a reference that True Faith 7 includes resurrection of the dead.

Since its Mage, inhuman or transhumanistic stuff is no surprise, but yeah.

It would be difficult to even imagine a person with such a rating. A Mage like that would have to be an Archmaster or a Marauder for sure, and even for Sleepers...

Well, yeah.

Don't expect to see anyone like that, though.
 
Lots of discussion, but not a lot of voting.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jul 14, 2022 at 10:06 AM, finished with 112 posts and 6 votes.
  • [X] Two hours of knowledge
    -[X] The Winter Court and Queen Mab, you think you have made an enemy
    -[X] The local supernatural scene
    -[X] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works
    -[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon
    [X] Plan Local Affairs and Probable Enemies
    -[X] The Winter Court and Queen Mab, you think you have made an enemy
    -[X] The local supernatural scene
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[X] Plan Local Affairs and Probable Enemies
-[X] The Winter Court and Queen Mab, you think you have made an enemy
-[X] The local supernatural scene
 
Valkhir said:
And to leave you with some nice ideas, this includes Nephandi theoretically as far as I know, since True Faith is not specific.
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What, someone who believes that the Caul is some sort of true salvation/enlightment for all Mage Kind? And that we all should plunge our soul head first to receive the sacrament—willing or unwilling?

Yeah, I can see a Nephandi doing that. Although it might be so rare that there's only one guy that's doing it.
 
Not an ultra high stakes vote.

Our family probably knows more about the Denarians. As funny as it would be to imagine Lash criticizing Harry describing her.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
What, someone who believes that the Caul is some sort of true salvation/enlightment for all Mage Kind? And that we all should plunge our soul head first to receive the sacrament—willing or unwilling?

Yeah, I can see a Nephandi doing that. Although it might be so rare that there's only one guy that's doing it.
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Something something, Path of the Abyss Mystic turned up to 15, something something Creation is a perversion and atrocity against the empty Abyss beneath all existence and a sin etc etc.
 
Fuck, I forgot about the Abyss. That place is... not good. Definitely not good. In fact, it's the second worst place to end up in the World of Darkness. The first being the Mouth of Oblivion, then the Abyss, then the Yomi Wan.

Now, here's the real kick, if the Abyss exists... can we use Hell-Walker Technique to step into it? Or straight to Yomi Wan for that matter?

Or here's the real mindfuck, the Outer Realm is just the Abyss gone utterly wrong.
 
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[X] Plan Local Affairs and Probable Enemies

I'm... I'd like to hash things out with our mother. That will take a little bit of time and we're going to be visiting Harry on the regular.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Fuck, I forgot about the Abyss. That place is... not good. Definitely not good. In fact, it's the second worst place to end up in the World of Darkness. The first being the Mouth of Oblivion, then the Abyss, then the Yomi Wan.

Now, here's the real kick, if the Abyss exists... can we use Hell-Walker Technique to step into it? Or straight to Yomi Wan for that matter?

Or here's the real mindfuck, the Outer Realm is just the Abyss gone utterly wrong.
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Oh you can definitely step into Yomi Wan. You, or at least the demon in your head has a very good idea of how to get there.
 
OctarineShrike said:
Are we talking about mage the awakening abyss or something nephandic from mage the ascension or something else?
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Oblivion I believe?

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Oblivion (WOD)

Oblivion is entropy itself, a constantly churning force of destruction and madness from which there is no return. Oblivion seethes beneath everything: the Labyrinth, the Tempest, the Shadowlands, the Skinlands. It constantly calls to wraiths in the form of their Shadows, telling them to give up...
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DragonParadox said:
Yomi Wan
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Hell yeah! Lets go there and bully some demons into being our minions!
 
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