Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Yog

Not voting uju32?
Im trying to write a stunt, because the QM said it would be best to incorporate our phone in a stunt.
And we want to make sure Clippy gets a good look at both Skavis vampires here.
So it can start trawling local school webpages and social media for their IDs.

Gimme thirty minutes.
 
VOTE
[X] Plan Needful Things
-[X] Take the girl into service to give her the benefits of Mercy in Servitude in suppressing her Hunger
-[X] Empathy Excellency
-[X]Cyberdevils begin to datacrawl social media for Skavis vampire IDs based on pictures. Keyword: Sitha.
-[X] STUNT: "Agent Greene's life" you put emphasis on the word agent "is not yours to dispose of. Not because of a failure to keep your secrets." Your phone vibrates in your pocket just then, and you raise it to your ear with a quick "Yes?" as you continue to watch the room. "Three seconds Mistress." says Clippy's distinctive tones, then you hear the tone of a dropped line. You wait a heartbeat, then a second, and terminate the call, returning the handset to a front pocket, and the full weight of your attention to the room's occupants, including the girl now sitting against the wall, making sounds of pain. "I suppose I shouldnt let the fledgeling suffer....Child.Sitha. Attend me,"you bark. As she turns her distressed face to you, your voice softens as you squat in mid-air."Your....inheritance, such as it is, awakens. Untended, it will kill you, as your elder will confirm. And then hatch like something out of an Aliens movie to stalk the world of men. So I offer you an alternative."



RATIONALE
Excuse to bring out phone to get clear look at room's occupants.
Which allows Clippy to get their faces and looks and begin to trawl online databases (social media, driver's license records, school yearbooks) for identities.

Molly rolls Cha/Man 3 + Empathy 4 + Excellency 7 + Stunt 2 = 16 dice
DPoE + BSM = -3 DC.

1m on Empathy Excellency.

STATUS
6/12 Essence
7/9 Willpower
11/11 HLs
 
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No its a hit. The elder vampire says so outright.
Furthermore, its worth comparing how everyone else historically deals with Masquerade violations.
We are operating under different definitions of "hit" it seems. I operate under "a murder attempt ordered by a third party not present at the scene for the reasons not directly associated with the actions of the target" definition - essentially, for me "a hit" means that the backstory of the event goes beyond those currently present; a hit is something that involves more people and requires further investigation. This doesn't seem to be the case. So far we have no reason to believe that the elder vampire (much less the fledgeling) is even aware of existence of Thule Society, or is acting under anyone's orders (or guidance, or on advice). So far, this seems like his own initiative, choosing a target for his daughter / niece / whatever to fledge based mostly on opportunity.
She cant choose for herself.
She is a fledgeling currently suffering a debuff from her Hunger acting up, and Molly is rolling 16 dice with DPoE and BSM active for a cumulative -3 DC buff to her social.

Thats not a setup for informed decisionmaking. She's likely to do whatever we tell her to which will make it stop hurting.
She's not in a perfect state of mind, yes, but this is how choice works in Dresdenverse, for the most part (see every choice done under the influence of Mantles, how half-reds work, etc). Is it the best? No. Can it realistically be made better? Not in this instance, I believe.
So what could Sarah Greene have to say that wouldnt just be exposed to ridicule as the babble of a grieving woman?
Whats worth killing a federal agent for?
And how did Old Skavis even know about her intentions?Or her alleged folly?
These questions all assume that he's rational at the moment, and not applying post-haste justifications for his actions in order to avoid a fight. It also assumes that his belief ("she would have exposed us all!") correspond correctly to reality. For example, if he's also a federal agent, Sarah could have discovered that he personally was not human, and could have been about to contact Daedalus. That would give him ample reason to act, and in his mind it could have led to a breach of masquerade, wherein he would be taken in for dissection or something.

The simplest explanation, to me, is that they were coworkers, and, in her investigation of her husband's murder, she discovered his non-human status. No other entities or actions need to get involved.
Three points. First, in general I like this, even if I don't see much difference to my vote (what am I missing?). I can't change my vote because others have voted already, but I like it. Second, I am fairly sure that he hunger consuming her would just leave her dead, not leave the hunger becoming autonomous. Third is that I would rather try to give her and her elder a choice. Is it perfect? No, but the effort matters. Your vote doesn't provide that opportunity.

EDIT: A point I just realized - in my stunt, whatever choice she makes, MiS would trigger, in only for a moment. Because it's automatic, and she would be following our direction and our will.
 
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We are operating under different definitions of "hit" it seems. I operate under "a murder attempt ordered by a third party not present at the scene for the reasons not directly associated with the actions of the target" definition - essentially, for me "a hit" means that the backstory of the event goes beyond those currently present; a hit is something that involves more people and requires further investigation. This doesn't seem to be the case. So far we have no reason to believe that the elder vampire (much less the fledgeling) is even aware of existence of Thule Society, or is acting under anyone's orders (or guidance, or on advice). So far, this seems like his own initiative, choosing a target for his daughter / niece / whatever to fledge based mostly on opportunity.
Premeditated murder in furtherance of a conspiracy.
Thats my working definition.
And this meets all the criteria.

It doesnt have to have anything to do with the Thule Society.
And I doubt any of the other Houses would be charitable if he decided to murder a federal agent in Chicago without a headsup to at least his own House head.

She's not in a perfect state of mind, yes, but this is how choice works in Dresdenverse, for the most part (see every choice done under the influence of Mantles, how half-reds work, etc). Is it the best? No. Can it realistically be made better? Not in this instance, I believ
Asking a person who's faculties are impaired to make a life decision isnt really any sort of choice.
You're either makimg that choice yourself, or asking her relative to do so for her.
And as MiS isnt permanent(she can back out at any time) I dont see a reason to bother.

These questions all assume that he's rational at the moment, and not applying post-haste justifications for his actions in order to avoid a fight. It also assumes that his belief ("she would have exposed us all!") correspond correctly to reality. For example, if he's also a federal agent, Sarah could have discovered that he personally was not human, and could have been about to contact Daedalus. That would give him ample reason to act, and in his mind it could have led to a breach of masquerade, wherein he would be taken in for dissection or something.

The simplest explanation, to me, is that they were coworkers, and, in her investigation of her husband's murder, she discovered his non-human status. No other entities or actions need to get involved.
1)We have no evidence of irrationality, or reason to assume irrationality on Old Skavis part.


2)Daedalus is not public, or advertised even inside the FBI.
And Greene is Criminal Division, not NatSec.
She doesnt even know they exist, let alone their remit. Because they are a classified group.


3)If he was actually worried about that shit, he'd vanish and move continents for a couple decades.
Doesnt even need a plane; Whamps can travel the NeverNever.
Go hang out in Italy for like half a century.

Or, like I pointed out, we've seen Whampires block memories in canon, to the point that Dresden couldnt undo them.


4)Daedalus cant actually start dissecting people on suspicion of their being supernaturals.
Thats called homicide, and it isnt the 1950s any longer.
And unlike Reds, Whites are almost entirely human baseline as far as we know. They walk in daylight, eat food, etc.


I believe OldSkavis is law enforcement. I've said that before.
I have no evidence that he's a coworker of hers. I have no evidence suggesting she could find out anything by investigating; Whampires are almost totally standard human biology, and she isnt Harry Dresden.

If she has any information, its because she or her husband used to work for someone with supernatural connects.
Three points. First, in general I like this, even if I don't see much difference to my vote (what am I missing?). I can't change my vote because others have voted already, but I like it. Second, I am fairly sure that he hunger consuming her would just leave her dead, not leave the hunger becoming autonomous. Third is that I would rather try to give her and her elder a choice. Is it perfect? No, but the effort matters. Your vote doesn't provide that opportunity.
1)I added the Cyberdevils and changed the stunt. Got rid of flaring the anima to avoid lethal misunderstandings.
And explicitly added the phone so we could be sure that Clippy and the other cyberdevils could start running down information on these people. Like the QM asked.

2)Explicitly stated in the update:
"I don't know what game you are playing stranger, but if you lay hands on Sitha one more time..." The elder had reached inside his jacket as though to draw the gun, but the words gutter out at your glare, age-old malice strangled by the grip of nameless terror. Yet in the urgency of those words you understand with a visceral lurch. Someone would still have to die here. The fledgling, Sitha, had gone too far already, she had awakened her Hunger, but it had not gotten its filll. Deprived of any victim it would turn on itself, a parasite made pathogen that will then rip itself from the corpse to darken the dreams of men evermore.

3)I dont consider it a real choice to ask someone something when they're under duress, when
Either way, we're demanding she trust us, either in taking on MiS, or that we are capable and willing to stop her from killing her relative if he agrees to let her feed on him. And he has to agree; this is not something where only Sitha's consent is needed.

That said, I deliberately framed the stunt so that it didnt lock anyone down.
The choice Molly offers is deliberately unwritten.
 
I can't change my vote because others have voted already, but I like it.

Yog, the entire reason why people vote by name instead of copying the vote is so that you can change it and they don't have to change theirs.

You can change it if you want.

Premeditated murder in furtherance of a conspiracy.
Thats my working definition.
And this meets all the criteria.

That's not most people definition of a *hit*, for most people it's about hiring a hitman to do the murder for you, no matter the reason.

It's why it's a *hit*man, after all.

And since the guy is there for personal reason, and not hired by someone else, this is not a hit, just a premeditated murder.

1)We have no evidence of irrationality, or reason to assume irrationality on Old Skavis part.

Does he have a physical body? Yes? Then he's irrational.

There is no such thing as rational people given how emotions and physical reactions works.

But even without that: He is intimated by Molly when giving his explanation and took his vulnerable, not in the know relative to initiate her, this is not the method of someone who wants to stop someone from talking first and use the best method to do it, the reason why it's that easy to think that's his post fact rationalization is just that, is because the facts don't align with the scenario he's presenting.

4)Daedalus cant actually start dissecting people on suspicion of their being supernaturals.
Thats called homicide, and it isnt the 1950s any longer.

Their very first apparition proved that they don't follow the laws and are stupid in their methods, further interactions with them did nothing to remove these suspicions, I can perfectly see them be stupid enough to try that.
 
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I still don't see a clear answer to how this won't get us stuck in a slap fight (of one sort or another) with an elder white vampire where hitting back alienates our new minion.

Unwilling recruits are worse than having no one.
 
It doesnt have to have anything to do with the Thule Society.
And I doubt any of the other Houses would be charitable if he decided to murder a federal agent in Chicago without a headsup to at least his own House head.
He might well be the head of his House - he certainly seems old enough. As to needing to give headsup - doubt it, especially if she was investigating supernatural actively enough for it to be motivation to kill her. I'd like to point out that we don't know if she still works for FBI, or what's her standing there is. And this was to be a suicide.
Asking a person who's faculties are impaired to make a life decision isnt really any sort of choice.
You're either makimg that choice yourself, or asking her relative to do so for her.
And as MiS isnt permanent(she can back out at any time) I dont see a reason to bother.
It's a little bit better than making decision for them without all the relevant information, or outsourcing it to someone who has vested interest in their eternal damnation and loss of their humanity. Is it good? No, not at all. But that's how the dice fell for the girl.
1)We have no evidence of irrationality, or reason to assume irrationality on Old Skavis part.
Apologies, this again seems to be an issue of terminology. By "rationality" and "irrationality" I meant that it isn't a given that the elder vampire set down and meticulously calculated all the possible pros and cons of his actions, or that he calculated those correctly, or that he cared about the same things as we do when trying to reason out his actions. And there's no actual proof that he went after Sarah for her attempting to breach the masquerade in the first place. We have his words, which he is using to try and prevent us from starting a fight. Whiel I doubt he's calm enough to lie outright, post-fact justifications are easy to concoct in the heat of the moment.

I also think you ascribe too much weight to her being a federal agent. I don't think the supernatural forces would care all too much about her status as one.
2)Daedalus is not public, or advertised even inside the FBI.
And Greene is Criminal Division, not NatSec.
She doesnt even know they exist, let alone their remit. Because they are a classified group.
It is plausible, to me, that she was contacted during investigation of her husband's murder. Depending on how it went and how she investigated afterwards, it's plausible that she would know something about them.
4)Daedalus cant actually start dissecting people on suspicion of their being supernaturals.
Thats called homicide, and it isnt the 1950s any longer.
And unlike Reds, Whites are almost entirely human baseline as far as we know. They walk in daylight, eat food, etc.
They were entirely willing to at least circumvent laws, and it would not surprise me at all if they could disappear him indefinitely.
2)Explicitly stated in the update:
Thank you, that's very helpful.


On another topic - if we get another round of Crown questions before meeting Mab, we should definitely spend some of them on her, specifically:
1) What knowledge did she try to tempt us with?
2) What does she think she knows about our power? This is a very different thing from question 1. Mab wasn't likely to give us everything, or give it to us unbiased.
3) What single finite service would she pay the most for? Finite qualifier is to remove "take over Winter's duties in guarding the Outer Gate" from the list of answers.
4) What does she consider her greatest weakness?
5) What does she want out of Molly?

In regards to foci, we have the following - Romeo and Juliet, the first known mundane reference to Queen Mab, Unseele Accords, of which she's the instigator, and (hopefully) books in Lydia's and Harry's library. We would be wise to ask at least some of those.
 
1) What knowledge did she try to tempt us with?
2) What does she think she knows about our power? This is a very different thing from question 1. Mab wasn't likely to give us everything, or give it to us unbiased.

The simple fact that we can ask these questions and obtain the knowledge she's dangling over our head that way, as well as the fact that she gave us time to realize that and do it is further proof to me that she knows far less about our power than she pretends to.

That's part of why I think we are ready enough for having a talk with her and should stop warping all our XP to gain more things only for the negotiation and should begin discussing what we want long term, instead of constantly coming back to *this will be useful for Mab* in the arguments.

At the end of the day I have no doubts that there are other sources for the knowledge she's baiting us with, and she just happens to be the most convenient source of it we have at the moment.
 
The simple fact that we can ask these questions and obtain the knowledge she's dangling over our head that way, as well as the fact that she gave us time to realize that and do it is further proof to me that she knows far less about our power than she pretends to.

That's part of why I think we are ready enough for having a talk with her and should stop warping all our XP to gain more things only for the negotiation and should begin discussing what we want long term, instead of constantly coming back to *this will be useful for Mab* in the arguments.

At the end of the day I have no doubts that there are other sources for the knowledge she's baiting us with, and she just happens to be the most convenient source of it we have at the moment.
Well, personally, let's consider the worst-case scenario. What could a fully prepared Mab be?

We know that with no prep she rolls 20 dice with no difficulty adjusters in social combat, meaning she has 5 dots in both the relevant ability and attribute and a celestial-grade excellency. We can safely assume that she has access to equivalents of mortal alchemy 5 and enchantment 5 paths, either herself, or by ordering one of her subjects to make those for her. This gives her at least 25 (2 from Alchemical potions of Ability enchantment, one from Intelligence + Wits boosting potion, two from an enchanted talisman) dice, and she would likely be rolling with a difficulty adjuster, which is probably around -2.

Realistically, we have around 30 more XP coming before meeting Mab, I think. We could probably go up to 16-18 base dice (depending on if we are rolling Intelligence of Wits). If we spend on Alchemy 2 dots, we could probably go to total of 22-24 dice (16-18 dice base, 2 WHWH, 2 stunt, 2 booster potion), and we are likely to be rolling at -4 difficulty adjustment (because yes, we are absolutely abusing CCC for meeting Mab) and -7 for perception based rolls. We don't suffer from rolling 1s.

I would peg us to be about equal to Mab going full-out if we spend XP to finalize the build for the situation. We aren't there yet, but I don't think we'd be completely crushed or anything even right now. The funny outcome would be crushing Mab socially, if she isn't taking us seriously enough to spend full effort on prep.
 
We know that with no prep she rolls 20 dice with no difficulty adjusters in social combat, meaning she has 5 dots in both the relevant ability and attribute and a celestial-grade excellency.
Not necessary. There are other ways to increase dice pools. Like, IDK, Sorcerous Fascinate increases social dice pool with every purchased dot, passively or semi-passively. In E2 spirit charms were also very different from Exalted charm, mechanically, but tbh I almost completely forgot the details.

That's part of why I think we are ready enough for having a talk with her and should stop warping all our XP to gain more things only for the negotiation
Recurring, annoying debate conceals the actual state of things; actual XP spending is absolutely on the ball.

Vast majority of 100+ xp we spent so far is powerful charms that are useful in almost all situations, combat enhancers and stuff that enables us to recruit people. IIRC we got a couple of social attribute/skill dots, but they don't dominate the build.
 
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[X] Uju32

[X] Sympathy from a Devil
-[X] Attempt to use MiS to save the teenager
-[X] Activate empathy excellency
-[X] Stunt: After a moment's pause Molly gives the slightest of nods. "This one is not for you, but I suppose I should save the child's life after having interrupted her quickening" she says, in an almost uncomfortably conversational tone.
--[X] Turning to the unfortunate fledging, Molly pins her eyes in place beneath her gaze "If you wish to live you will listen carefully and do what you are told. Understand?" Pausing for a timid nod, she continues.
--[X] "Get up, and step outside with me. We will see about settling your partner's furor"
--[X] Turning back to the elder vampire, a hint of something cold and hungry seeps back into her voice "You will save your victim's life, and we will speak about how this shall proceed, before this situation grows unpleasant " the unspoken 'for you' hanging thick in the air.
-[X] Stand outside in the rain with the kid, where Molly can clearly see what passes in the house, and give her basic orders based on preparing to meditate. Question her on what exactly she knows about herself and what happened here.
—[X] Once it seems like her distress has passed use occult to fake an arcane gesture, poke her on the forehead, and order her back inside.

I'm not sold on the idea of actually making a full offer, but if we're going to do it I prefer Uju32's approach.
 
Ok, I thought long and hard about it, and I am modifying my stunt :

[X] Offer the girl a chance to serve you in exchange for taming her Hunger
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] STUNT: You speak, and you voice echoes, reverbating across the shadows of room: "You haven't yet killed anyone, Sitha, and so I shall grant you a choice.Listen carefully. The Hunger in your soul is awake, and not yet sated. Should you fail to do so, it'll consume you, and then I will have to put it down. You have two ways to stop this gruesome fate from passing. Bend the knee to me now, and your Hunger will abate, for none shall touch those that swear to follow me. Or feed on your elder - he shall survive it, this I guarantee. The woman, however, is not for you. Think now, and don't be hasty - I will hold your doom at abeyance while you do; this is the proof my offer is genuine"

I did two things:
1) I removed anima flair - too noticeable
2) I rewrote stunt so that from the moment we say "Listen Well" the MIS should kick in. At long as the girl is making a choice between the options we have given her, she shouldn't be suffering from her Hunger. And so should be able to make a clearheaded (somewhat) decision

The idea is the same - we give her the choice. The setup is different - we do it in a way that make it so she makes the choice while under effect of MiS.
 
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I would peg us to be about equal to Mab going full-out if we spend XP to finalize the build for the situation. We aren't there yet, but I don't think we'd be completely crushed or anything even right now. The funny outcome would be crushing Mab socially, if she isn't taking us seriously enough to spend full effort on prep.

One of the things I want is to be essence 3 and have our kingdom by the time we meet her, it is very likely to make a big difference in how we're perceived right there and then, just being around her allows us to have some of our helping charms to work (WHWH because she has a cold aura, demonstrated last time), and we can probably give ourself some other advantages.

I don't think we should expect a pool of dice that much bigger than last time, she doesn't works likes us, I am not sure preparation makes as much of a difference for her than for us when it comes to social, she seems more of a 100% all the time kind of deal. Her biggest modifiers would definitely comes from being in her place of power, and I seriously doubt we would allow that to happen, given we are the one deciding when and where.

Recurring, annoying debate conceals the actual state of things; actual XP spending is absolutely on the ball.

While the influence of the debates on the actual expense is fortunately limited, every single plans thus far have been advocated on how they helps for this particular conversation in one way or another, which inherently limits the possibilities that are presented.

And I find the debates tiring at this point.
 
One of the things I want is to be essence 3 and have our kingdom by the time we meet her, it is very likely to make a big difference in how we're perceived right there and then, just being around her allows us to have some of our helping charms to work (WHWH because she has a cold aura, demonstrated last time), and we can probably give ourself some other advantages.
That's sadly is almost impossible, I feel. We need 36 XP for those. Essentially, if we buy only essence this turn and the Kingdom next turn, we might just be able to afford it. But that would be all. Rather, I think, buying the Kingdom after meeting Mab gives us a strategic advantage of Mab not knowing about us having a Kingdom. At the moment I am not confident about dealing with her at all.

Personally, I plan for the E3 and Kingdom for Christmas.
 
That's not most people definition of a *hit*, for most people it's about hiring a hitman to do the murder for you, no matter the reason. It's why it's a *hit*man, after all.
And since the guy is there for personal reason, and not hired by someone else, this is not a hit, just a premeditated murder.
Not all hits involve hiring an outside party.
And in those cases, that would still be premeditated murder(hiring a hitman to kill someone) in furtherance of a conspiracy(conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to keep secrets).

Does he have a physical body? Yes? Then he's irrational.
There is no such thing as rational people given how emotions and physical reactions works.

But even without that: He is intimated by Molly when giving his explanation and took his vulnerable, not in the know relative to initiate her, this is not the method of someone who wants to stop someone from talking first and use the best method to do it, the reason why it's that easy to think that's his post fact rationalization is just that, is because the facts don't align with the scenario he's presenting.
That waters the definition down so much its essentially worthless.

Whampires are only partly human.
And if this dude is as old for a supernatural as he looks, his lived experience is quite possibly playing him false.
Especially if he's arranged suicides for people before and gotten away with it.

Their very first apparition proved that they don't follow the laws and are stupid in their methods, further interactions with them did nothing to remove these suspicions, I can perfectly see them be stupid enough to try that.
Medical experimentation is a whole different level of fuckery here.
Being willing to bend or ignore prescribed law enforcement procedure doesnt necessarily mean they are willing to advance to torture-murder. This is an FBI section on US soil, not the CIA in a third world hellhole.


He might well be the head of his House - he certainly seems old enough. As to needing to give headsup - doubt it, especially if she was investigating supernatural actively enough for it to be motivation to kill her. I'd like to point out that we don't know if she still works for FBI, or what's her standing there is. And this was to be a suicide.
1)He isnt the head of his House.
We see and hear Lord Skavis in canon during White Knight before he gets murdered by superghouls. He has a distinctive voice, and is apparently as pretty most other Whampires. And fucking rich to boot.

He is also described by another Whampire as a misogynist, which means he isnt going to be here shepherding a female fledgeling; he has minions for that.

Also, Lord Skavis might well know a Carpenter on sight. This guy obviously doesnt.
And this dude looks too touched by age to be a major House head; among Whampires, high Appearance is mandatory. Thats why every member of Whampire nobility we see is hella pretty.


2) Sarah Greene is a person of interest in an active, high-profile investigation by the FBI and the CPD; flashy murders and dismemberments of senior law enforcement officers draw all the media attention and special law enforcement resources.
Whampires typically avoid that sort of attention like the plague.

OldSkavis being here is an anomaly.


3)There is no evidence that she is no longer a member of the FBI.
Like I've said previously, most people cannot actually afford to up and resign their jobs willy nilly, and in the case of an agent, abandon the pension they get at twenty years of service. And resignation while an investigation is ongoing is a helluva bad look.

It's a little bit better than making decision for them without all the relevant information, or outsourcing it to someone who has vested interest in their eternal damnation and loss of their humanity. Is it good? No, not at all. But that's how the dice fell for the girl.
I disagree. At this point its just going through the motions.
Between OldSkavis and the social Infernal here, the time pressure and the active Hunger, there is no real prospect that a fledgeling can make any sort of independent informed choice. No real point pretending otherwise.

Apologies, this again seems to be an issue of terminology. By "rationality" and "irrationality" I meant that it isn't a given that the elder vampire set down and meticulously calculated all the possible pros and cons of his actions, or that he calculated those correctly, or that he cared about the same things as we do when trying to reason out his actions. And there's no actual proof that he went after Sarah for her attempting to breach the masquerade in the first place. We have his words, which he is using to try and prevent us from starting a fight. Whiel I doubt he's calm enough to lie outright, post-fact justifications are easy to concoct in the heat of the moment.

I also think you ascribe too much weight to her being a federal agent. I don't think the supernatural forces would care all too much about her status as one.
OldSkavis is attempting to commit premeditated murder of a subject in an ongoing federal and state murder investigation.
One where they already arrested Regional Warden Commander Dresden for, before letting him go.
He did all that stuff. He might be working off faulty data, but he did his prep work.


Our social Perception game is tight.We are rolling -4DC to Perception rolls from All Things Betray + Boiling Sea Mastery.
Its safe to assume he isnt deliberately lying to us; he might be mistaken, but he does at least appear to believe what he's saying.
Shit like this is why we prioritized ATB in the first place.


The whole point of the Masquerade is avoiding the official attention of mortal authorities.
So no I dont agree.
They would care very much about her being a federal agent.

It is plausible, to me, that she was contacted during investigation of her husband's murder. Depending on how it went and how she investigated afterwards, it's plausible that she would know something about them.
It isnt plausible to me.

There is absolutely no benefit to Daedalus from blowing cover to rope in a Criminal Division officer, when they can get cooperation as a routine measure. Do recall that from their perspective, they havent actually eliminated Agent Greene as a possible accomplice; most murders involve someone the victim knew.

Furthermore, we had access to their mailing list for at least a month.
We stole Agent Wright's passwords and read the messages that they were passing around.
Greene didnt show up on any of them.

And if OldSkavis knew that Daedaulus existed and was sniffing about this case, he wouldnt have brought his relative here.

They were entirely willing to at least circumvent laws, and it would not surprise me at all if they could disappear him indefinitely.
Circumvent laws =/= medical experimentation.
Thats like saying that a willingness to jaywalk means that you have no trouble with serial murder.


And no, I doubt they can disappear anyone for a significant amount of time.
Shoot and bury them yes, disappear them no.
They lack the resources. And Whampires can cross into the NeverNever.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Jan 21, 2023 at 10:25 AM, finished with 96 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Offer the girl a chance to serve you in exchange for taming her Hunger
    -[X] Leadership excellency
    -[X] STUNT: With nary a sound, the corona of green flames expands around you, the banner of your soul made manifest. The flames gently caress the young vampiress. You speak, and you voice echoes, reverbating across the shadows of room: "You haven't yet killed anyone, Sitha, and so I shall grant you a choice. Bend the knee to me now, and your Hunger will abate, for none shall touch those that swear to follow me. Or feed on your elder - he shall survive it, this I guarantee. The woman, however, is not for you"
    [X] Plan Needful Things
    -[X] Take the girl into service to give her the benefits of Mercy in Servitude in suppressing her Hunger
    -[X] Empathy excellency
    -[X]Cyberdevils begin to datacrawl social media for Skavis vampire IDs based on pictures. Keyword: Sitha.
    -[X] STUNT: "Agent Greene's life" you put emphasis on the word agent "is not yours to dispose of. Not because of a failure to keep your secrets." Your phone vibrates in your pocket just then, and you raise it to your ear with a quick "Yes?" as you continue to watch the room. "Three seconds Mistress." says Clippy's distinctive tones, then you hear the tone of a dropped line. You wait a heartbeat, then a second, and terminate the call, returning the handset to a front pocket, and the full weight of your attention to the room's occupants, including the girl now sitting against the wall, making sounds of pain. "I suppose I shouldnt let the fledgeling suffer....Child.Sitha. Attend me,"you bark. As she turns her distressed face to you, your voice softens as you squat in mid-air."Your....inheritance, such as it is, awakens. Untended, it will kill you, as your elder will confirm. And then hatch like something out of an Aliens movie to stalk the world of men. So I offer you an alternative."
    [X] Offer the girl a chance to serve you in exchange for taming her Hunger
    -[X] Empathy excellency
    -[X] STUNT: You speak, and you voice echoes, reverbating across the shadows of room: "You haven't yet killed anyone, Sitha, and so I shall grant you a choice.Listen carefully. The Hunger in your soul is awake, and not yet sated. Should you fail to do so, it'll consume you, and then I will have to put it down. You have two ways to stop this gruesome fate from passing. Bend the knee to me now, and your Hunger will abate, for none shall touch those that swear to follow me. Or feed on your elder - he shall survive it, this I guarantee. The woman, however, is not for you. Think now, and don't be hasty - I will hold your doom at abeyance while you do; this is the proof my offer is genuine"
    [X] Ask the elder vampire to feed the fledgling while you get help for Sarah Greene
    [X] Sympathy from a Devil
    -[X] Attempt to use MiS to save the teenager
    -[X] Activate empathy excellency
    -[X] Stunt: After a moment's pause Molly gives the slightest of nods. "This one is not for you, but I suppose I should save the child's life after having interrupted her quickening" she says, in an almost uncomfortably conversational tone.
    --[X] Turning to the unfortunate fledging, Molly pins her eyes in place beneath her gaze "If you wish to live you will listen carefully and do what you are told. Understand?" Pausing for a timid nod, she continues.
    --[X] "Get up, and step outside with me. We will see about settling your partner's furor"
    --[X] Turning back to the elder vampire, a hint of something cold and hungry seeps back into her voice "You will save your victim's life, and we will speak about how this shall proceed, before this situation grows unpleasant " the unspoken 'for you' hanging thick in the air.
    -[X] Stand outside in the rain with the kid, where Molly can clearly see what passes in the house, and give her basic orders based on preparing to meditate. Question her on what exactly she knows about herself and what happened here.
    —[X] Once it seems like her distress has passed use occult to fake an arcane gesture, poke her on the forehead, and order her back inside.
 
2) Sarah Greene is a person of interest in an active, high-profile investigation by the FBI and the CPD; flashy murders and dismemberments of senior law enforcement officers draw all the media attention and special law enforcement resources.
Whampires typically avoid that sort of attention like the plague.

OldSkavis being here is an anomaly.
What investigation? The invesgitation has been buried.
 
???
Dresden has been exonerated.
Legally even, because there's video and witnesses showing that he was elsewhere when the murder occurred.
Thats not the same thing as the investigation itself being buried.
Daedalus asserted jurisdiction and got it. Daedalus knows that the thing which killed Greene is a supernatural non-human. Daedalus is interested in preserving the masquearade for their own gains, and is now further under investigation by the Library of Congress, which is also interested in maintaining the masquerade. While there might still be investigation in the sense that they might be interested in what specific beastie did the deed, there's never going to be anything public, and the investigation in the sense of anything relating to the law, criminal investigation and such has almost certainly been buried.
 
Daedalus asserted jurisdiction and got it. Daedalus knows that the thing which killed Greene is a supernatural non-human. Daedalus is interested in preserving the masquearade for their own gains, and is now further under investigation by the Library of Congress, which is also interested in maintaining the masquerade. While there might still be investigation in the sense that they might be interested in what specific beastie did the deed, there's never going to be anything public, and the investigation in the sense of anything relating to the law, criminal investigation and such has almost certainly been buried.
You are mistaken.
Daedalus asserted jurisdiction in the Red Room Murders. The almost thirty person massacre in the museum.
They never asserted jurisdiction in Greene's murder.

Greene's murder was/is a joint state-federal investigation, and Dresden was being held under state charges in a state prison.
Thats why the bulk of forces available for Dresden's arrest was CPD.
 
Daedalus asserted jurisdiction and got it. Daedalus knows that the thing which killed Greene is a supernatural non-human. Daedalus is interested in preserving the masquearade for their own gains, and is now further under investigation by the Library of Congress, which is also interested in maintaining the masquerade. While there might still be investigation in the sense that they might be interested in what specific beastie did the deed, there's never going to be anything public, and the investigation in the sense of anything relating to the law, criminal investigation and such has almost certainly been buried.
I think that depends on who l killed him precisely and what their affiliations are.

My assumption so far has been that Greene was killed by Holt's little goth book club, either specifically because his antagonism with Dresden made him a good tool for a frame job or because he was involved with them/one of their cut outs and they already had some other reasons to off him. Likely some combination of both if either is valid.

If he was killed by a berserker, who has no obvious physical mutations even if they're slightly superhuman, with a history of violent crime then they have no reason to hide the killer. Arresting them might not be in the cards, but naming a name and having them killed resisting arrest would be.

A vampire with court backing, a demon summoned by an unknown sorcerer, or one of the stranger things running around the mortal world could get swept under the rug though.

My bet is that even if the investigation is officially stalled that they'll continue under the table if they can.

Daedalus is still FBI, so a significant number of their personnel should be highly unwilling to let the killing of someone from their organization go even if they work for a different subgroup.

What surprises me about this on further reflection is that Sarah Greene was left without protection, and apparently wasn't watched closely enough to notice when she started poking around lethal supernatural waters.

They don't have infinite resources, but I'd have expected something.
 
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