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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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... I'm honestly not particularly happy with the alien question, because it was interesting and cool? Of course, was she in any way helpful as anything other than a vague curiosity to us? Not even close. Because of her we're going to spend time discussing more and more complicated methods to try and share this with the sole justification of "I want to show our knowledge to everyone", especially when we don't have anywhere near enough AP even for basic stuff (damn we haven't even introduced it yet to the Alphas, lesser talents close to Molly's age, visiting that magic book store, seeing the neutral terrains or any of our other first options for exploring Chicago).

Also, even if we manage to show the world that there is extraterrestrial life, what are they going to do? Technology will still be a long way from making contact or knowing anything about them, there is no way humans can build a spaceship anytime soon, politics between the superpowers will get in the way of everything that can give tremendous advantage to one of them, etc...

Is it a good knowledge to have? Of course, but would it be useful for us in something? Maybe 20 arcs in the future.

The story of evolution, on the other hand? Now that's great, and it tremendously increases my desire to kill the Red King and take Chichen Itza as ours (and I'll fight about this with anyone, if the White Council or anyone else wants it, they're going to have to take it from the cold and dead hands of us and our demonic soldiers).

About doing a book about it? I totally agree with @BronzeTongue's arguments (as well as his arguments regarding Murphy) and I think Yog should tone down this burning desire to want to spread everything we know to anyone and everyone, it's boring to see yourself argued over and over again. Someday this information is going to come back to bite us, plus he should also follow the KISS principle (keep it simple stupid) in making plans instead of the complicated mess of several steps where there's no need, it's easier to argue in favor them and also makes them more beautiful.
 
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Our knowledge about aliens is likely to just be a cool factod for most of the quest. Although I can see Molly mentioning to people that know about our crown in casual conversation just to see the looks on their faces.

"Ya there are aliens 50.1 light-years in that direction."
 
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What we should do with our alien location map is inscribe it on a giant stone monolith which we leave in some public place.

Just a little joke for future historians.
 
JayTar said:
What we should do with our alien location map is inscribe it on a giant stone monolith which we leave in some public place.

Just a little joke for future historians.
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I was about to say that even Exalted don't have hammer space to carry stuff in, but then I realized that we could likely use our Kingdom for it.
 
Azais said:
there is no way humans can build a spaceship anytime soon
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I'll just point out that mortal wizard gravity manipulation is totally capable of making Alcubierre FTL:
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When I was talking about using general relativity to fly, I wasn't talking about making something lighter, oh no. I am much more ambitious. And note that the design in the link has the whole "one thing up, the other thing down" balance inbuilt.
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Most wizards young enough to even potentially have that frame of reference for that do not have the power to attempt it, but in theory that is something the newest generation of wizards could eventually do.
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And no, I wasn't setting this up at all, and I am NOT going to advocate to go exploring it.
fictionfan said:
Our knowledge about aliens is likely to just be a cool factod for most of the quest. Although I can see Molly mentioning to people that know about our crown in casual conversation just to see the looks on their faces.

"Ya there are aliens 50.1 light-years in that direction."
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Basically this, yeah. We could maybe discuss this stuff with angel bodyguards at some point. Or use it to recruit some science-oriented minion. Etc. But no devoting lots of attention to it. It's just something that from a character perspective helps a bit - it puts into perspective how large the universe is.
 
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Yog said:
I'll just point out that mortal wizard gravity manipulation is totally capable of making Alcubierre FTL:



And no, I wasn't setting this up at all, and I am NOT going to advocate to go exploring it.

Basically this, yeah.
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Considering that wizard magic has to at least pay some attention to physics and the gigantic forces calculated to be in play for Alcubierre FTL trying seems like a great way to get yourself killed. So yes good idea not to try and explore it using wizard magic.

Incidentally space flight is one of the few areas where our flight ignoring physics isn't helpful. Mostly flight in space allows for easy acceleration due to the lack of friction, but our flight doesn't care about friction at all.
 
Hmm, could we use our fight as a reactionless drive? Like, what does it use as it's frame of reference? I assume it has to have some way of deciding on one or shifting one.
Ie, if we are out in the open we use the earth's frame of reference and fly around normally. If we are in an airplane then we can float down the isle normally. If we are in the International space station we can fly around inside it. Etc.

But then what happens if we say are on the international space station, start flying, and then push the space station in one direction or another? Say we apply 100 newtons of force to the wall, and thus the wall pushes back on us with 100 newtons of force too. But we don't then transfer the force on to the ground or because we aren't touching the ground. We are just floating in defiance of physics.
 
fictionfan said:
Considering that wizard magic has to at least pay some attention to physics and the gigantic forces calculated to be in play for Alcubierre FTL trying seems like a great way to get yourself killed. So yes good idea not to try and explore it using wizard magic.

Incidentally space flight is one of the few areas where our flight ignoring physics isn't helpful. Mostly flight in space allows for easy acceleration due to the lack of friction, but our flight doesn't care about friction at all.
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Funnily enough the original context for the discussion was "how could mortal magic users replicate our flight safely and without inherent environmental destruction involved in stuff like wind manipulation". Of course, the difference between ultra-minute space metrics manipulation involved in flight and ones involved in breaking the light speed are very, very different. Still, it paints an interesting picture for the long term future of humanity. Wizard-powered FTL drives.
 
Regarding practical application of the question regarding aliens - we should talk to Bob about astrology. If it's something that actually works in Dresdenverse (and the Starborn being called that implies there'sat least something to it), I am willing to bet that the stars housing sapient life are more mystically significant than stars that don't have life. And, if so, Molly's knowledge probably can be used to refine astrological charts.
 
Azais said:
The story of evolution, on the other hand? Now that's great, and it tremendously increases my desire to kill the Red King and take Chichen Itza as ours (and I'll fight about this with anyone, if the White Council or anyone else wants it, they're going to have to take it from the cold and dead hands of us and our demonic soldiers).
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The ritual site is good, but the real meat is in the lords of the outer night and the red king. I'm pretty sure they ate the mesoamerican gods and took their knowledge, so the best stuff is going to be in their minds and souls.

The big question is if we can eat them ourselves, and how much support we'd need to do so.

Somehow I doubt the council would be game to help Molly do a keg stand with divine vampire blood, even considering the war. Which doesn't leave us many other friendly options.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The ritual site is good, but the real meat is in the lords of the outer night and the red king. I'm pretty sure they ate the mesoamerican gods and took their knowledge, so the best stuff is going to be in their minds and souls.
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If they got knowledge of mesoamerican gods, and those gods in turn had correct and sufficient knowledge of the history of the world which started with the Age of Legends... Chances are the moment we walk into the court of Red King, he'll kneel and pledge loyalty to the returned Prince of the Earth. Or try to murder us very horribly. The "solaroids have returned" is pretty much "the stars are right and the Cthulhu is waking up" for a lot of supernatural predators, I think.
 
Vote closed, let's see about that company.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 17, 2023 at 11:30 AM, finished with 73 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    [X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [x] Starting up
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A reminder:
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Can't exactly arrest his 'friends' on suspicion of bullying, that's up to the school to deal with." She drops her voice a little. "Though between you and me if someone were to put the fear of God into the lot of them that'd probably work out fine too."

You nod, biting back a smile. It's the last week of school so it probably wouldn't do much good to deal out any instruction now for them to forget over the summer, but if they are still at it next year... well you have a good memory.
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We are back in school and we have to teach a lesson to some idiots.
 
LightLan said:
I still don't want to do the lottery at all.
diamonds are less attention grabbing.
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Gonna be honest people have already noticed us and we aren't subtle if we wanted to be subtle we should have done stuff different at character creation. Not that we should shout out our secrets to the world or nothing. Lottery's not gonna change much.
 
Speaking of our soon to be shell company, or whatever it technically will be, have we discussed a name for it yet? Anyone have any snappy, Exalted-relevant puns that would fit for a manufacturer of artificial diamonds?
 
Huh. For like 3 minutes around the Alien Question I was suddenly utterly certain that this was an Endless Pantheon cross instead of vanilla Dresden.

Then I realize: an Endless Pantheon cross would actually be really cool, huh.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 17, 2023 at 11:30 AM, finished with 73 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    [X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [x] Starting up
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