Maybe Sidereals don't get free excellencies?
General Exalted Thread
Maybe not! That would certainly help.
Bursting Eagerness Soul
Threadwalking Rating Machine
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- Wisconsin
It does seem like a bit of a conceptual step backwards though. Maybe have the dice-adding cap out with either the linked Skill or College? Then you could have the TN reduction scale with Essence and cap it at Essence/2.
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- Gladstone, OR
Starting out with Dodge.
Terrain such as loose pebbles or marsh muck may likewise impede Dodge DV, generally between -1 for bad conditions and -3 for extreme environments.
Conditions worse than a -3 simply make dodging inapplicable. Dodge also becomes inapplicable for characters who are unable or unwilling to give ground, such as those fighting in close-ranked formations or in a narrow crevasse.
Conditions worse than a -3 simply make dodging inapplicable. Dodge also becomes inapplicable for characters who are unable or unwilling to give ground, such as those fighting in close-ranked formations or in a narrow crevasse.
I think the important thing here, is the rules specify- can you give ground. If yes, you can dodge. If you can't or won't, you waive your DDV.
Now, as a fun note, unless I'm missing something, the above rules are primarily for Mortals, not Essence Wielders; If you have Essence 2, and your Dodge DV is penalized below 2 dice (accounting for static value), the Minimum Essence Rule kicks in and you get a DDV of 1. This minimum DDV though can sitll be reduced by Multiple Action and Wound Penalties. Not sure about Onslaught.
So, that's how you can stop someone Dodging- by putting them in a position with a -4 or greater penalty to their Dodge DV. Note however, that unless it's a Magical Effect, a Stunt or Charm can always trump mundane contextual inapplicability.
The same actually applies to Parry DV as well- the conditions you can't use Parry are "I don't have a weapon/Can't block Lethal/ranged Damage barehanded." But we all accept the barehanded blade block as a classic stunt.
notthepenguins
Neither Spherical Nor Frictionless
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- He/She/They
I don't think stunts are intended to act as surprise negators, so this statement is kinda weird.
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- Gladstone, OR
Fair point, but it makes sense in context of the section of the rules I called that from. But yes to restate, you cannot stunt out of Unexpected tag unless that specific effect allows it.
vicky_molokh
Posthuman spidery thingy.
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- Kyïv, Ukraine
Speaking of Surprise Negators:
Which Social Charms negate Social Surprise, aside from Discerning Savant's Eye (which I already found)?
Which Social Defences (Perfect or otherwise) allow applying defences against Unblockable and Undodgeable Social Attacks in 2½e? Both of Solars and of non-Solars (I'm trying to estimate the utility level of Heartfelt Honorific Opportunity, which was errated from a Surprise Generator to an Unblockable-and-Undodgeable modifier).
Which Social Charms negate Social Surprise, aside from Discerning Savant's Eye (which I already found)?
Which Social Defences (Perfect or otherwise) allow applying defences against Unblockable and Undodgeable Social Attacks in 2½e? Both of Solars and of non-Solars (I'm trying to estimate the utility level of Heartfelt Honorific Opportunity, which was errated from a Surprise Generator to an Unblockable-and-Undodgeable modifier).
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Walker of the Yellow Path
Ho There!
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- The Land of Memes
What is a Social Surprise attack? I have no clue how that'd even work in a debate.
For Alchemicals?
Anticipatory Simulation Processor(E2, Per 3, any Perception or Wits Aug) has a submodule from CoCD Autochtonia called Syntax Modeling Subroutine which extends it's surprise negation to mental influences.
Popping a question or request from out of nowhere and without any time to prepare an answer, basically. Or any other statement that basically leaves the opponent unprepared and on the back foot while they must provide an answer now or accept it as true.
It's what happens when someone conceals themselves in the bushes, waiting for the perfect moment to jump out and provide a devastating treatise on the rights and duties of slaves within Great Forks.
vicky_molokh
Posthuman spidery thingy.
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- Kyïv, Ukraine
Luke, I am your father.
All of a sudden, Luke's MDV is useless, to the point of breaking down and doing something rather suicidal (but of course, he cinematically survives).
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- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
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- She/Her
"And another thing! They charge them for the cost of the very drugs that enslave them - and each day's supply costs more than a day's wages!"
"Who are you please I'm sorry I just bring eggs from my farm here to sell."
"These poor men and women labour in intolerable conditions in the drug fields to fund the lifestyles of the rich, who have done nothing to earn their power or wealth!"
"Oh gods, I don't even live here, please stop yelling at me and let me go."
"We must act now to free them! At once!"
"If I nod and smile will you let me into the market and stop lecturing at me please?"
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- Gladstone, OR
Mechanically it's a Manipulation + Socialize misc action to establish social stealth, which is defended against by Wits+Investigation.
Aaron Peori
Rest in Peace
A social surprise attack is a social attack that the target doesn't realize is a social attack. It has nothing to do with sudden dramatic revelations or anything like that, because those are obviously social attacks. A surprise social attack isn't your vizier (or Vizier) leaning over and whispering into your ear. A surprise social attack is your friend venting about 'those damn Immaculates' while you have tea and you just nod along and don't even realize that you're Intimacy (Immaculate Faith - Obedience) has taken a hit.
I always imagined it like your talking to an old friend, reminiscing about good times, talking about that time you got hammered and took a dump on a cop car, moving on to the spouse and kids and how's work and all that stuff. Then after you part ways, you think,"wait, did I just agree to hire his nephew?"
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- The end of all things
That actually sounds perfectly reasonable. Any weirdness that ensues is clearly the result of how the humans of Creation are impossibly weak-willed and fickle beings that will abandoned long-held beliefs over the course of a coffee break or two.
There's a reason the general description of 2ed social combat is people shooting mind control beams at each other.
vicky_molokh
Posthuman spidery thingy.
- Location
- Kyïv, Ukraine
I like that as yet another thing that can be represented by an Unexpected Attack. It's not quite what the RAW says, but it sounds like another good option.
For the record, RAW says:
(And yes, I think that the shift in Episode 5's end from a more generic "Arg, you are my enemy, surrender to the dark side" combat banter in to a matter of blood relation is close enough to a shift from small talk to serious matters that it counts as a surprise attack.)Core 170 said:
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
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- They/Them
...that's all?
Wonder who they got to do the drawing?