Speaking of the discussion of demons and @Shyft's post of mysterious murderers, if @EarthScorpion is still doing first circle demons, here's an idea.

A special ops demon. Demon SEAL Team Six. Not as good as blood apes at fightan, but still superhumanly good, and also very good at stealth and small-unit ops, although they're not great at large-scale army stuff.

Need to be constantly monitored if you don't want them going around and committing war crimes on anyone you designate as an enemy. They tend to do that. And they tend to take the initiative. Keep them monitored and chaperoned or else you might find that they were shadowing your meeting with a recalcitrant king of a small kingdom and now their intestines are decorating the top of the castle and they're currently torturing some random servants to death for information they don't have?

Literally demon SEAL Team Six, in other words. :V

Obviously they take the appearance of mouthless humanoids with jet-black skin and three green, glass eyes.
 
Speaking of the discussion of demons and @Shyft's post of mysterious murderers, if @EarthScorpion is still doing first circle demons, here's an idea.

A special ops demon. Demon SEAL Team Six. Not as good as blood apes at fightan, but still superhumanly good, and also very good at stealth and small-unit ops, although they're not great at large-scale army stuff.

Need to be constantly monitored if you don't want them going around and committing war crimes on anyone you designate as an enemy. They tend to do that. And they tend to take the initiative. Keep them monitored and chaperoned or else you might find that they were shadowing your meeting with a recalcitrant king of a small kingdom and now their intestines are decorating the top of the castle and they're currently torturing some random servants to death for information they don't have?

Literally demon SEAL Team Six, in other words. :V

Obviously they take the appearance of mouthless humanoids with jet-black skin and three green, glass eyes.

Do they have some sort of power (Charm-like thing, would it be?) that makes their torture actually turn up good information? Or are they just torturing people because, "Hey, should work."
 
You know, in a sense, making a Charm that allows torture to work would make an interesting setting statement. That, like in real life, torture doesn't work (unless you use magic to override the way things normally work anyways.)
It actually works well with the underworld/Abyssals (at least canon ones). You're not torturing them for information they know, you're torturing them to appease mad things that listen to the dreams of the neverborn and thus gain information from them.
 
Well, they could be humanoid seals with three glass eyes and no mouth

And flipper-feet

I didn't say they weren't

As I recall the Umibozu were designed to have seal-reminiscent qualities in their faceless body armor so it is legit

And they're obviously Kimberian demons too, I mean it only makes sense.

Don't you understand that they're just doing this for you President-Summoner Sempai, making these tough choices so you don't have to? How could you be so cold as to reject their patriotic love, have you no pride in your people? :(
 
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And of course, you have the idea of arrogant chieftains or other Frontier potentates calling forth one of Hell's nursemaids and telling her, "make me a son[2]​ worthy of my name!", only to bitterly regret their hubris.
[2] Or daughter, depending on local gender standards.
Unless I am missing something, couldn't they make a baby from 1 person and get like a 98% chance of success?

So a short idea from combining the 2 of these.

Some sorcerer needs a heir. Maybe they couldn't have or don't want children, maybe they are they are just rather egoistical.
So they decide "the only person worthy of being my heir is me". Since it is too hard to fake their death and pretend to be their kid and they can't reincarnate as their own child, they have to find another solution.

The closest they can get to having themselves as their own heir is to make a copy of their self. As they don't have any first age cloning technology, they will have to use a neomah.
 
Also surprisingly good for therapy!
You're thinking of Rogue Cell Isolation Protocols. RCIP lets you pennance-stare out intimacies of others and yourself. TBP lets you beat people with soulsteel hook-claws until they scream everything they care about. Note that TBP does not actually compell truth, it compels the revelation of intimacies. The 2e book simply expects those intimacies to be relevant without articulating to players and storytellers how so.

Solar's Irresistable Questioning Technique is more effective/purposeful as a 'get information' charm, but it's poorly worded/mechanized.
 
It actually works well with the underworld/Abyssals (at least canon ones). You're not torturing them for information they know, you're torturing them to appease mad things that listen to the dreams of the neverborn and thus gain information from them.
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"The nuclear device is going to go off in less than four hours," says Brad.

"And we don't even have a suspect," sighs Steve.

They look gloomily at the dingy gray wall of their lab.

"Would it help? I mean, at this point?" Brad says.

"We could torture them," says Steve. "And find out where the device is. Then we could evacuate people and save thousands of lives."

"Point," says Brad.

Both of them sigh.

"What if we torture you?" Brad asks.

"What?"

"Well, it's doing something," Brad points out. "I mean, at least it's not just sitting here."

"I can see how you might feel that that might be necessary," Steve says.

He doesn't mean that. He's actually retreating, just a tiny bit, while watching Brad very carefully for indications that Brad is kidding.

Unfortunately for Steve, he isn't.

"Gya!" screams Steve, not much later. Then he babbles. Then he begins to talk. "I'll tell! I'll tell you anything!"

"Where's the nuclear device?" Brad demands.

"It's at 1010 Rue de la Forge!"

Steve pauses. He blinks. Even through the mist of pain, he's surprised by the fact that he said that.

"I'll send someone to check that out," says Brad, darkly, threateningly. He does.

"It's the truth," says Steve. "I don't know how I knew. But it's the truth."

A few minutes pass. Brad's phone rings. He listens to it. He hangs up. Then he stares at Steve in growing wonder.

"It was there."

"It was there?"

"It was there."

Brad shakes his head.

"Wow," Brad says. "It must be the torture."

"Let me try!" says Steve. He flails his shackled arms.

"Not on me!" says Brad, looking a little ill.

"Maybe on Helen?"

Experimentally, they torture Helen. "Surely, you're familiar with Godel's subversive theorem," Steve interrogates. "But can you actually give a statement that's true but unprovable within the logical framework in which we live our lives?"

"This one!" wails Helen.

Steve frowns. "Hey, is that right?" he asks Brad.

"I think so," says Brad. "But I can't construct a proof, offhand."

"Ha!" says Steve.

It makes big news. Defusing nuclear devices in the nick of time always does, and the bit about Godel keeps the story alive in the mathematical journals. Soon everyone understands just what forcibly destroying a person's mind can do.

"Can you solve an NP-complete problem in polynomial time?" harshes Associate Professor Kazer, the official torturer of the Stanford Computer Science Department.

Amelia, his best graduate student, whimpers.

"Please," she says. "Make it stop!"

"Can you?"

"Yes!" she snaps.

"Give me a constructive proof!"

And she does.

It is a wave of change. Suddenly from the National Center for Public Policy issue bold new programs; and everyone who reads their reports finds themselves marveling at the simplicity and clarity of each torture victim's thoughts.

The Fed no longer relies on archaic pre-torture economic theory. Screams point their way to the perfect rate.

The nation prospers as never before. Great towers rise. Flying cars are everywhere, fueled not by oil but by ordinary kitchen water.

And in Brad's lab (for it is no longer considered appropriate for such people as Steve and Helen to be considered his equals), Brad whispers gently to Steve, "How can I make such pain unnecessary?"

"You can't," says Steve.

"I can't? Why not?"

And there is a whimpering and a shout from Steve that subsides quietly into sobbing and to words.

"The data is the suffering," answers Steve.
Source: An Oracle for NP, by Jenna Moran
 
Something for @ManusDomine. Perhaps it is Chiming Minaret-bait. Who knows?

Sunken Elha

Men have forgotten the kin of Urtalmic. Their lore has passed from the world, and so too have their cities. The being they once gave wondrous orisons to is now Elloge, who would be deaf to any veneration directed at what she once was. Elha was once mighty, but the gods smote it down in the Primordial War and the weight of its sins dragged it down into the depths below Creation. Now Elha moulders beneath Creation and has done so for five thousand years. Underground rivers flow down chasms that were once streets. The only light is from crimson-hued bioluminescent fungi that feed off the rot.

And yet there is still life in Elha. The degenerate progeny of Primordial-loyal gods shamble through the halls, dressed in barbaric skins. Great cave-bats, mutated by the twisted blood that oozes from some walls, flap in the dark. Decadent men drawn to this place by mad visions ingest the knowledge of the Urtalmic, and become their kin, trapped down here in the dark.

It would be better for Creation if Elha remained lost, but alas - there are still treasures down here. The ancient lore of men who walked the world before the Exalted could be found down here. There are treasures, too - ancient things wrought by Primordial servants and potent tools of dark magic made by the degenerate god-spawn. Such plunder has drawn men down here before, never to leave.

::SIDEBAR WHERE IS ELHA?::

This location has been written to slot into the setting wherever you want. All you need is a place where the water table is low enough that Elha won't flood. That's it. It could be in the Scavenger Lands, it could be in the Fire Mountains, or it could even be in the Realm. Of course, in the Far North the rivers that flow through the streets are frozen for most of the year, while in the West it may have been buried by volcanic ash. Feel free to adjust it for your needs.

:: END SIDEBAR::

The Seep

The most probable entry-way for any who would seek out Elha is a faultline that leads down through the rock. It is a perilous path down half a kilometre of narrow galleries, water-slick slides and countless dead ends. A wise prospective explorer will be sure to establish multiple camps where they stash supplies and string ropes together so they can find the way out. Even then, it may be a climb of multiple days.

Towards the bottom of the Seep, crushed and collapsed ruins can be seen. To the right student, these examples of early First Age architecture - built in the first few hundred years after the Primordial War - could be fascinating. However, most ignore these, because from the passageways of these ruins can be seen the dull red glow of Elha.

The Watch Station

Elha was not unknown to one of the Lunar Exalted of the High First Age, and there is evidence down here that he made use of this place for his own amusements. A small monitoring facility was built down here, surrounding with essence-fields to keep out the denizens of this place. The fields are gone and the blast-doors are broken open. There is no sign of the watchers stationed down here and the weapons and armour are missing, but in the ancient records there's a plan for a post-Calibration hunt.

The Great Chasm

The mightiest of the rivers running through Elha flows down what was once the main street that led to the slave district. The slaves are gone and so is the street - washed away by five thousand and more years of water. In its place is a deep chasm that splits the ruins in two. The denizens of Elha have strung together crude rope bridges made from hair and fungal pulp, and some live in cliffside dwellings that extrude from revealed basements and foundations of the old city.

The Prime Lecture Hall

Once a place for vivisection and the haematophagic rites of the Kin, this was a building of knowledge and learning. Now, though, a tribe of degenerate Kin squats here. They pitch their skin-tents between the filth-smeared benches and the ancient tools of study are fought over as precious sharp weapons. Inbred and wretched, these once-men are mostly blind and furred. These is something akin to dogs about their features, and there is nothing studied about the secrets that spill through their sharp-toothed mouths.

Fungalsprawl

Not only the creatures down here have been affected by the Urtalmic lore. The fungus that fed off the rot has internalised the wisdom and become more - and less - than it once was. The heart of Fungussprawl was once the temple district, where tick-like priests lapped at the bloody gifts of He Who Bleeds The Unknown Word. Now the fungus grows, and towers over the ruined buildings. It glistens and gleams wetly in the bioluminescence, like raw meat.

And it speaks. The fungus speaks, though it is slow of thought and its words take days or even weeks to complete. These pulsing comments take the place of day and night in this forsaken place. The fungus has learned religion, too, and the sprawling caps and spore-choked spires resemble temples. Those creatures who inhale too much are drawn into the depths and reside there until stalks sprout from their eyes and they speak for the blood-fungus, words rambling from their infested brain until their voices become too ruined to speak. Then, and only then, do they lay down and die.

The fungus is spreading. It is slow to grow, for it meditates on its own wisdom and is temperate and calm, but year by year, it eats a little more of the ruins.

The Lick

Once the dead of the Kin were interred here, to have their blood drained and their knowledge passed on to their own kin. In that way, they thought to seek immortality. But the blood has dried up here and the Lick is quiet and still as the grave. The Whispers-ridden ghosts of those who dwelt in the city when the gods destroy here still congregated here. They have found new masters down in the depths of the Labyrinth. To feast on rotting titans is little different than drinking the blood of a living one. These mad ghosts have forgotten all that they were, but have learned new dreadful things that take their place in their shattered minds.

The Howling Forbidden

When the Primordial War came to an end, some of the divine servants of the Primordials were cast into Hell with their masters. However, many escaped through one way or another - and many were only found to be traitors in the aftermath, as the victors scrutinised the seized records of the Priests of Cecelyne. Men may never have known of the great purges in the war's aftermath, but the eldest of the gods remember.

These traitor gods saw many fates. Some were executed by the Exalted. Others were banished to Hell, where they met terrible fates for failing their dark masters. Others still were maimed and banished from the light of the Sun and the moon, trapped beneath the earth in wretched material form. Their immortality was stripped from them, and they were left to die.

These traitor gods bred with each other and with the creatures that lurked beneath the earth and wicked serpents that the Ebon Dragon had spawned in the depths, and ten thousand breeds of monster now exist. Cursed and wretched, their natures are so fallen that even the smallest god or most tortured demon can spit down on them. There is little light or good or divine left about these inbred creatures; these writhing centipedes; these faceless blind men; these squirming horrors wearing the tatters of their forebears divine ranks.

They remember they hate the Sun, though, and they hate the gods and they hate the light. Oh yes, they remember that much.
 
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"The nuclear device is going to go off in less than four hours," says Brad.

"And we don't even have a suspect," sighs Steve.

They look gloomily at the dingy gray wall of their lab.

"Would it help? I mean, at this point?" Brad says.

"We could torture them," says Steve. "And find out where the device is. Then we could evacuate people and save thousands of lives."

"Point," says Brad.

Both of them sigh.

"What if we torture you?" Brad asks.

"What?"

"Well, it's doing something," Brad points out. "I mean, at least it's not just sitting here."

"I can see how you might feel that that might be necessary," Steve says.

He doesn't mean that. He's actually retreating, just a tiny bit, while watching Brad very carefully for indications that Brad is kidding.

Unfortunately for Steve, he isn't.

"Gya!" screams Steve, not much later. Then he babbles. Then he begins to talk. "I'll tell! I'll tell you anything!"

"Where's the nuclear device?" Brad demands.

"It's at 1010 Rue de la Forge!"

Steve pauses. He blinks. Even through the mist of pain, he's surprised by the fact that he said that.

"I'll send someone to check that out," says Brad, darkly, threateningly. He does.

"It's the truth," says Steve. "I don't know how I knew. But it's the truth."

A few minutes pass. Brad's phone rings. He listens to it. He hangs up. Then he stares at Steve in growing wonder.

"It was there."

"It was there?"

"It was there."

Brad shakes his head.

"Wow," Brad says. "It must be the torture."

"Let me try!" says Steve. He flails his shackled arms.

"Not on me!" says Brad, looking a little ill.

"Maybe on Helen?"

Experimentally, they torture Helen. "Surely, you're familiar with Godel's subversive theorem," Steve interrogates. "But can you actually give a statement that's true but unprovable within the logical framework in which we live our lives?"

"This one!" wails Helen.

Steve frowns. "Hey, is that right?" he asks Brad.

"I think so," says Brad. "But I can't construct a proof, offhand."

"Ha!" says Steve.

It makes big news. Defusing nuclear devices in the nick of time always does, and the bit about Godel keeps the story alive in the mathematical journals. Soon everyone understands just what forcibly destroying a person's mind can do.

"Can you solve an NP-complete problem in polynomial time?" harshes Associate Professor Kazer, the official torturer of the Stanford Computer Science Department.

Amelia, his best graduate student, whimpers.

"Please," she says. "Make it stop!"

"Can you?"

"Yes!" she snaps.

"Give me a constructive proof!"

And she does.

It is a wave of change. Suddenly from the National Center for Public Policy issue bold new programs; and everyone who reads their reports finds themselves marveling at the simplicity and clarity of each torture victim's thoughts.

The Fed no longer relies on archaic pre-torture economic theory. Screams point their way to the perfect rate.

The nation prospers as never before. Great towers rise. Flying cars are everywhere, fueled not by oil but by ordinary kitchen water.

And in Brad's lab (for it is no longer considered appropriate for such people as Steve and Helen to be considered his equals), Brad whispers gently to Steve, "How can I make such pain unnecessary?"

"You can't," says Steve.

"I can't? Why not?"

And there is a whimpering and a shout from Steve that subsides quietly into sobbing and to words.

"The data is the suffering," answers Steve.
Source: An Oracle for NP, by Jenna Moran
Ah, Hitherby. I thought I'd have to post this myself when I saw this topic come up.

It's a very Jenna sort of topic.
 
I lol'd hard, I am not afraid to admit. Actually, I wouldn't mind some feedback on what people thought of the Venus manifestation there. And also I'd like to hear about @Shyft's reasoning in assuming that the murders are ~Mysterious Ally~, if he's willing to go into detail and the reason isn't just "it seems like Plot and ~Mysterious Ally~ hasn't overtly shown up yet".
Venus was a nice touch, as well as a decent bit of foreshadowing. Especially when Incarna other than the UCS are used to poke PCs.

Yes, I also assumed that the murders were Mysterious Ally.
Both because it/he/she had demonstrated a talent for violence when single-handedly breaking up that demonstration/nascent riot. And because Chekhov is a hallowed tradition of writers.

Besides, a resident power physically capable of disrupting that riot is unlikely to have been quiet and idle for the months that Inks had been in Gem.
And given that Inks hadn't heard of anything else that might have been reasonably ascribed to Mysterious Ally.....
 
So a short idea from combining the 2 of these.
Some sorcerer needs a heir. Maybe they couldn't have or don't want children, maybe they are they are just rather egoistical.
So they decide "the only person worthy of being my heir is me". Since it is too hard to fake their death and pretend to be their kid and they can't reincarnate as their own child, they have to find another solution.
The closest they can get to having themselves as their own heir is to make a copy of their self. As they don't have any first age cloning technology, they will have to use a neomah.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but yes, a canon character pretty much did this.
He shows up in some of the between-chapter comics with his kid.
So, random thought:
How hard is it to wield an non attuned artifact?
Both things like short daiklaves and big ones.
If they are made of one of the Magical Materials?
Difficult, probably requiring more-than-human strength just to do effectively, to the point where just using mundane weapons( or even not using a weapon at all) would be much better.
 
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You're thinking of Rogue Cell Isolation Protocols. RCIP lets you pennance-stare out intimacies of others and yourself. TBP lets you beat people with soulsteel hook-claws until they scream everything they care about. Note that TBP does not actually compell truth, it compels the revelation of intimacies. The 2e book simply expects those intimacies to be relevant without articulating to players and storytellers how so.

Solar's Irresistable Questioning Technique is more effective/purposeful as a 'get information' charm, but it's poorly worded/mechanized.
Well screaming out everything they care about is a good start on therapy for those too reluctant to speak up to their state sanctioned psychologist!
 
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