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EarthScorpion said:
And he's also something to use on the kind of player who's metagaming sure that the Ebon Dragon's fetich has to be a force of light and goodness. Just have him show up and he'll play exactly to their expectations, and then you can go "What, did you believe him?"
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That makes no sense to me. If I was metagaming, I would assume that the Ebon Dragon's Fetich was a weak and pathetic thing. After all, the core of him is that he is a lie and does not exist. His heart should be just as pathetic as he is.
 
Robotninja said:
That makes no sense to me. If I was metagaming, I would assume that the Ebon Dragon's Fetich was a weak and pathetic thing. After all, the core of him is that he is a lie and does not exist. His heart should be just as pathetic as he is.
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The Unconquered Sun is the Ebon Dragon's Fetich.(E:/jk) That's almost canon, to, as the Ebon Dragon is defined enough to exist properly by being the opposite of the Unconquered Sun, and Fetich souls are what defines a Primordial.
 
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Morphic Tide said:
The Unconquered Sun is the Ebon Dragon's Fetich.
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:Citation Needed:
Morphic Tide said:
That's almost canon, to, as the Ebon Dragon is defined enough to exist properly by being the opposite of the Unconquered Sun,
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:Citation Needed:
Morphic Tide said:
and Fetich souls are what defines a Primordial.
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This much is true, albeit a reductionist view of something rather more complex.

Fetich souls are what primarily defines a Primordial, not the sole thing that defines them.
Omicron said:
It is not canon at all in any way, shape, or form.
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Just to add on what @Omicron said, it has never been canon for that sake, and to be honest I am kind of happy with that.
 
What... what part of that makes sense?

Ignoring the reshaping of history and cosmology, just - thematically. How's that work again? o_O
 
Rook said:
What... what part of that makes sense?

Ignoring the reshaping of history and cosmology, just - thematically. How's that work again? o_O
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There is a hint of actual sense in the idea that the existence of the Sun strengthens the Shadow of All Things. It's blown out of proportion massively in a poorly done attempt to build heat for the Sun, but the fact is - the light of Ligier casts no shadows [1]. Hence, by giving Creation a second sun, one whose light could be blocked by things, there's now a lot more shadows in Creation.

This does match the Ebon Dragon's modus operandi, because he also devised colour (so that he could be black [2]), and Fate (so people would be doomed while he ignored it). The Dragon is a yin force of opposition and contrast, so making something to oppose is the sort of thing he does.

It's just a lot of the Glories stuff about the Sun is deeply, deeply silly - which is not very surprising, considering the author.

[1] Because Ligier's light is a metaphor for high energy radiation, and so shines through things like flesh and stone.

[2] It is totally valid to have an Ebon Dragon cult of fashionistas in some nobility, who hold that black is the new black, and little black dresses will never go out of style.
 
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ManusDomine said:
:Citation Needed:

:Citation Needed:

This much is true, albeit a reductionist view of something rather more complex.

Fetich souls are what primarily defines a Primordial, not the sole thing that defines them.

Just to add on what @Omicron said, it has never been canon for that sake, and to be honest I am kind of happy with that.
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The bit about TUS being Ebon Dragon's Fetich was a silly statement regarding the bit about metagaming on the Ebon Dragon's Fetich.

The bit about TUC defining the ED is from the whole 'Dragon's Shadow' thing. I don't remember where I saw it, but before TUC showed up the Ebon Dragon didn't exist fully. When TUC showed up, the Ebon Dragon that exists now came into existence because it defined itself as TUCs opposite in some way.
 
Aaron Peori said:
Hmm. I don't think I quite got across what I meant there so let me try again.

The perspective of the SI as raksha story wouldn't be experienced as the raksha in Creation. It would be experienced as you, the guy sitting at the keyboard. You have to remember that that beautiful elf and furry forms that the raksha present to Creation are not them. They are handpuppets that the raksha present to interact with the world, no more their real self than this post you are reading right now is actually me.

A raksha SI story would be told not as a story of in Creation, but as a story of a person sitting at a keyboard writing. Long segments of 'in character' work that, slowly but surely, cease to be what the author is intending to write. Imagine it as a Quest where the votes keep forcing you to write scenes and outcomes you would rather not. Then you go back and try to edit or change something earlier in the story and find you can't do that. Perhaps at that point you try to abandon the work only to find later that when you go back a whole bunch of people have started to do write-ins and your 'character' has been pushed around and is almost dead because you haven't been working on it. You try to declare the story segments written by other people non-canon but you can't.

You are physically unable to write things that ignore the events caused by these write-ins. Your mouth goes dry as you look at the last scene submitted, with a Sworn Brotherhood pursuing your bleeding out SI raksha character through the streets of Nexus. A sudden cold realization hits you. This isn't a story anymore. That character whose adventures you at first found amusing and slowly grew to dislike isn't a character in a story.

That's you.

And you're dying.

You try to write a magical solution out of the current situation but the keys will not physically depress when you do. You have to write yourself out of this. But how?

...

Or, you know, just have a lark as everyone makes fun of the kooky raksha. Whatever.
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This is good as a metaphor as for how the raksha see the world, but it isn't really that accurate in a more literal sense.

Going off of memory here:
Those shapes (Elves, furries, Elvish Furries, etc..) the Raksha take, are actually them. If you destroy them they die (at least in theory). In the Wyld they can take any shape at will, but to survive in creation they need to take a more static form (those things called assumptions).

The Raksha can understand that people (and maybe the world?) are not illusionary, to what extent depends upon their Staff Grace (because of its relationship to the shinma which defines individuality).

I had more to say about writing and perspectives and such, but I am getting sleepy and will talk about it later.
 
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GardenerBriareus said:
- If a Third Circle dies, what becomes of its Second Circle souls? Do they die too, are they unchanged, or do they suffer something equivalent to fetich death now that their defining presence is gone?
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In general, they'll die. Their greater self is dead, so they dead, son.

On the other hand, I'd totally break that rule if it made a better story. After all, if there are forbidden, dangerous ways for a Second Circle to outlive their progenitor, then it suddenly opens up all sorts of funfun hellish stories of usurpation, temptation, and high Compassion Second Circles contacting Sidereals and going "Yeah, my greater self is an asshole, I'm willing to defect but I want asylum".

And I strongly support things which encourage Cold War spy-vs-spy betrayal and plotting games between Heaven and Hell.

GardenerBriareus said:
- Can a Third Circle change? For example, TDTSC used to have a TCD representing his 'love' for Gaia, but now TDTSC utterly hates and loathes her. Does that mean that his "I Love Gaia" soul has been defeated and jailed by one of its siblings (and/or just mopes around bemoaning how Gaia totally doesn't get how much she means to it/him), or has it been twisted into a 'Fuck You Gaia, You'll Be Mine Whether You Want To Or Not!' soul?
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Honestly, I'd take it on a case by case basis. Sometimes one Third Circle will be imprisoned or crippled by their siblings as the result of a major war prompting a shift in their greater self's personality, while other times the Third Circle will change their purpose in life as a consequence of some major, dramatic shift in their priorities.

Like, when it comes down to it, I think the game is better if both things you describe are an option, so both it is then.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Baaji, the One Above All Others
Demon of the Third Circle
Tenth Soul of the Ebon Dragon
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Oh cool! A new Third Circle by EarthScor--
EarthScorpion said:
In human form he is a corpulent man of the Realm who looks remarkably like the Slug, whose snow clouds veil his bald head - an affection of vanity.
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:o You sick motherfucker :mad:
ManusDomine said:
He writes super-well and puts a lot of effort into what he's doing, but do we know anyone else who would write a crossover between Dragon Ball and fucking Neon Genesis Evangelion?
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Sorry, but back the fuck up. What?
 
Idle thought. The anime Mononoke is amazing inspiration for writing up spooky ghosties for the Underworld and other assorted things relating to it.
 
Broken25 said:
TDSTSC?
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The Darkness That Swallows Cities (other titles/names pending). A homebrew Yozi that represents all-take-no-give relationships, fear, tribalism, and xenophobia. Just run a quick search for posts of mine that use the acronym and you should have all you need to know.

I was asking because part of his backstory was that he and Gaia awoke quite close to each other, and he immediately latched on to her; when the Primordials decided to build Creation, he had his own world-body woven into hers*, insisting that she "needed his protection", and had a TCD entirely built around his 'love' for her.

Gaia, meanwhile, found him tiresome at best & happily forgot to write him into her alliance with the Incarnae, leaving them free to send their armies after the parasitic little fucker and uproot him.

Since then, he's been psychotically obsessed with making her pay for that, so clearly that "I love Gaea" soul is either not in the picture or has been twisted by her 'betrayal'.

Also, I'm considering having it be that the Exalted he fears the most are actually Lunars, since the horror they wreaked on the armies dwelling within his labyrinthine body (and on one of his TCDs, as mentioned) makes him find the idea of horrible witch-monsters infiltrating and assassinating him one soul at a time far more scary than some gilded demigod. If only to give Lunars something to work with.



* Creation's subterranean regions are basically the shredded bits of his world-body that were separated from the rest when the Exalted Host made him go into exile in Malfeas (he, being the patron Primordial of cowards, pussied out the moment one of his TCDs got slapped with GET (and may or may not have helped set the tone of the Surrender Oaths with his "negotiations" with the gods, which boiled down to "PLEASE DON'T HURT MEEEEEEEEE")
 
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I do like the idea of him fearing and hating Lunar's the most. Also consider that in his mind, Luna 'stole' Gaia from him...yeah, I can see the reasoning to be terrified of Lunar's but also hate them with a mad passion.
 
GardenerBriareus said:
So, @EarthScorpion, @Aleph... any advice on the stuff I asked about on whether or not TCDs can change, or what happens to SCDs when their "parent" TCD is killed?
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I think they die, but there is a way to get around that.
There is an Sidereal Astrology charm called "An End to Darkness", which turns Demons into gods. They need to be willing, and you need to bring 2CDs and 3CDs into fate before it will work on them.
However you need to get the maidens of fate to unlock it, and it hits you with 9 paradox.
 
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