General Exalted Thread

[Kinunatzs]

Mate, this is a setting where Yahweh got turned inside out and sewn up inside his own stomach by Aztec Lucifer's autonomous respawning combat drones. You're not getting "I always win" by any path. If you do, that's an obvious mechanical bug to be promptly exterminated.

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You know this only started with a simple question on how durable a Exalted with or without Charms in VsBattle Durability Ranking/Tiers, since what's the harm asking to compare a durability of a Exalted in VsBattle Durability Ranking/Tiers?

So it come to this, since it come to this I'll ask all the way can a Exalted with all the time she/he wants without restriction from the ST become someone that is always Invulnerable/Invincible and to become a God Capital G in Game Mechanics, Is it possible to be always Invulnerable/Invincible and to become a God Capital G in Lore?, if it's not possible to become a God with Capital G, Maybe Full powered Sol Invictus Level or Primordial/Yozi?, the God Capital G in Lore is without the use of Active/Combat Charms but Passive once

If you are Exalted, you are already more powerful than most gods.

Exalted is the game where you say "I am no mere god" and mean it.

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You don't get it? God with Capital G meaning the All-Knowing and All-Powerful version of God not the Gods that the Exalted fights

 

[pantherasapiens]

what I'm after is not to have fun but to win and always win against any opponents, traps and schemes without problem and without a hint that I would lose

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I'm sorry but what? Why? Pardon me, but - at this point it sounds less like you want to play Exalted, and more like you want to be able to barge into any given Exalted campaign with a pre-made Wins Everything character... that you didn't even design on your own. And not even to have fun, but (apparently) to ruin other players' fun. Why, even?

 

[Roadie]

Maybe Full powered Sol Invictus Level or Primordial/Yozi?

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It is at least theoretically possible to do this kind of thing, but it means also getting the downsides of those states of existence, like being stuck with the Unconquered Sun's conflicting and self-incapacitating virtues or the limited principles and mindstate of a Yozi.

You don't get it? God with Capital G meaning the All-Knowing and All-Powerful version of God not the Gods that the Exalted fights

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This guy existed. He's called Malfeas now. His life is, ultimately, pretty shitty.

 

[samdamandias]

become someone that is always Invulnerable/Invincible

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Yes. Step one is to be an Elder Sidereal. Step two is to learn three or four SMAs. Step three is to dodge the rest of the players trying to murder you.

And why would you want to become a god? Being a god is a step down from being Exalted.

 

[Accelerator]

You know this only started with a simple question on how durable a Exalted with or without Charms in VsBattle Durability Ranking/Tiers, since what's the harm asking to compare a durability of a Exalted in VsBattle Durability Ranking/Tiers?

So it come to this, since it come to this I'll ask all the way can a Exalted with all the time she/he wants without restriction from the ST become someone that is always Invulnerable/Invincible and to become a God Capital G in Game Mechanics, Is it possible to be always Invulnerable/Invincible and to become a God Capital G in Lore?, if it's not possible to become a God with Capital G, Maybe Full powered Sol Invictus Level or Primordial/Yozi?, the God Capital G in Lore is without the use of Active/Combat Charms but Passive once

You don't get it? God with Capital G meaning the All-Knowing and All-Powerful version of God not the Gods that the Exalted fights

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....your ideas suck.

I take it back. You're not a noob like me.

Why don't you just write a fanfic about how you become god?

And why would you want to become a god? Being a god is a step down from being Exalted.

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I think he means abrahamic god.

 

[samdamandias]

I think he means abrahamic god.

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You mean the guy who got turned inside-out, mutilated, and then shoved into his own intestines by the Exalted Host?

Oh wait, that was Theion. Markaduth, ruler of Zen-Mu and creator of all that is is dead. Because he got killed. By the Exalted Host.

 

[azoicennead]

Ok I see this where are going you guys are just too focused on how to make the game or whatever it is to be interesting and fun, but that's not what I'm after is not to have fun but to win and always win against any opponents, traps and schemes without problem and without a hint that I would lose and by the end of it become a God with capital G in the setting not a straggler of fate or fight battles with 50/50 chance of winning or have a thrilling battles

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Then explore a different franchise. Exalted doesn't provide what you want.

You know this only started with a simple question on how durable a Exalted with or without Charms in VsBattle Durability Ranking/Tiers, since what's the harm asking to compare a durability of a Exalted in VsBattle Durability Ranking/Tiers?

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This isn't a Vs. thread and the rankings you gave are nonsensical in the context of Exalted (especially since "can tank being hit by a mountain" and "punched to death by mooks" are not incompatible things in Exalted).

 

[Kinunatzs]

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I'm sorry but what? Why? Pardon me, but - at this point it sounds less like you want to play Exalted, and more like you want to be able to barge into any given Exalted campaign with a pre-made Wins Everything character... that you didn't even design on your own. And not even to have fun, but (apparently) to ruin other players' fun. Why, even?

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I have no interest right now to play Exalted, I'm not asking to become a "Wins Everything character", What I'm asking is it possible to become a "Wins Everything character"?, if so what are the steps to do it, that kind of question asking for

It is at least theoretically possible to do this kind of thing, but it means also getting the downsides of those states of existence, like being stuck with the Unconquered Sun's conflicting and self-incapacitating virtues or the limited principles and mindstate of a Yozi.


This guy existed. He's called Malfeas now. His life is, ultimately, pretty shitty.

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I see too bad

Yes. Step one is to be an Elder Sidereal. Step two is to learn three or four SMAs. Step three is to dodge the rest of the players trying to murder you.

And why would you want to become a god? Being a god is a step down from being Exalted.

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SMAs? Super/Supreme Martial Art's?, Does it needs to be a Elder Sidereal?, What if you are a special Solar or Dragon-Blooded Exalted that has an ability to learn any kind of Martial Arts without the need of a Teacher and can do it instinctual is it possible this way?

....your ideas suck.

I take it back. You're not a noob like me.

Why don't you just write a fanfic about how you become god?

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I'm not trying to become a God, I'm only asking if it's possible if so what are the steps to archive it

 

[Accelerator]

I have no interest right now to play Exalted, I'm not asking to become a "Wins Everything character", What I'm asking is it possible to become a "Wins Everything character"?, if so what are the steps to do it, that kind of question asking for


I see too bad


SMAs? Super/Supreme Martial Art's?, Does it needs to be a Elder Sidereal?, What if you are a special Solar or Dragon-Blooded Exalted that has an ability to learn any kind of Martial Arts without the need of a Teacher and can do it instinctual is it possible this way?


I'm not trying to become a God, I'm only asking if it's possible if so what are the steps to archive it

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Sidereal martial art.

No. Solars need Sidereal teachers. Only Sidereals can instinctively learn martial arts.

 

[SerGregness]

I'm not asking to become a "Wins Everything character", What I'm asking is it possible to become a "Wins Everything character"?, if so what are the steps to do it, that kind of question asking for

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Okay, from what I can see this is the heart of all your questions so far in the thread. The short answer to this question is 'no'.

With the way the Exalted setting is laid out and the themes, metaphysics, and powers it plays with you can be surpassingly mighty, but that never means completely invulnerable.

 

[horngeek]

Ok I see this where are going you guys are just too focused on how to make the game or whatever it is to be interesting and fun, but that's not what I'm after is not to have fun but to win and always win against any opponents, traps and schemes without problem and without a hint that I would lose and by the end of it become a God with capital G in the setting not a straggler of fate or fight battles with 50/50 chance of winning or have a thrilling battles

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Then, respectfully, Exalted is not the game for you.

 

[Roadie]

Okay, from what I can see this is the heart of all your questions so far in the thread. The short answer to this question is 'no'.

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Speaking in more general terms, that is not how any tabletop game works, ever, because they are meant to be games played in a communal manner, not just wish-fulfillment bullshit.

 

[Aaron Peori]

@Kinunatzs I wrote you a roleplaying game.

I Win: The Game

Mechanics:

Whenever a challenge, conflict or problem occurs follow this procedure.

Are you Kinunatzs? If so, roll a die. Any numbered die. Is the result a number? If so, you succeed and win the conflict, challenge or problem in whatever way you describe.

If you are not Kinunatzs you do not matter, so do not pick up a die.

Enjoy.

 

[Kiriel]

I have no interest right now to play Exalted, I'm not asking to become a "Wins Everything character", What I'm asking is it possible to become a "Wins Everything character"?, if so what are the steps to do it, that kind of question asking for

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Technically yes. Sure, it breaks the spirit of cooperative storytelling gaming; If you a munchkin who just wants masturbatory power fantasies, then be a Sidereal and take Sidereal Martial Arts.

SMAs? Super/Supreme Martial Art's?, Does it needs to be a Elder Sidereal?, What if you are a special Solar or Dragon-Blooded Exalted that has an ability to learn any kind of Martial Arts without the need of a Teacher and can do it instinctual is it possible this way?

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Sidereal Martial Arts. Yes. Impossible. Lore actually answers this. Anyone trying to learn Sidereal Martial Arts must me sufficiently enlightened enough, aka Celestial Exalted, and even then must require teachers. There is no special snowflake here.

I'm not trying to become a God, I'm only asking if it's possible if so what are the steps to archive it

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No, because a God is a Spirit, which is a different race than Human. Sure, there may be esoteric methods which can turn a Human into a Spirit, but why the hell do you want to be a Spirit?

Pare, I'm going to repeat what everyone said. Read the fucking Corebook because everything you fucking need is fucking there.

 

[Dark Lord Bob]

I Win: The Game

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I just lost The Game.

I hope you're happy.

 

[SerGregness]

Then, respectfully, Exalted is not the game for you.

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Speaking in more general terms, that is not how any tabletop game works, ever, because they are meant to be games played in a communal manner, not just wish-fulfillment bullshit.

Even freakin' Nobilis

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@Kinunatzs I wrote you a roleplaying game.

I Win: The Game

Mechanics:

Whenever a challenge, conflict or problem occurs follow this procedure.

Are you Kinunatzs? If so, roll a die. Any numbered die. Is the result a number? If so, you succeed and win the conflict, challenge or problem in whatever way you describe.

If you are not Kinunatzs you do not matter, so do not pick up a die.

Enjoy.

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I sympathize with where you guys are coming from, but it's fairly clear at this point he doesn't have any interest in Exalted as a game, so that line of reasoning isn't likely to resonate with him. If he's only interested as a matter of intellectual curiosity what kind of stuff is possible for characters in our setting I don't think that's an inherently unreasonable thing for him to ask people in the thread.

He is being frustrating about it, though.

 

[Kinunatzs]

Fine I give up since from the looks of it no one is going to give me a straight answer even a hypothetical answer like the other person who answered that it's possible to have the durability I want with Stamina/Resistance Charm/Tree whatever it's names is but it would take a long time

I sympathize with where you guys are coming from, but it's fairly clear at this point he doesn't have any interest in Exalted as a game, so that line of reasoning isn't likely to resonate with him. If he's only interested as a matter of intellectual curiosity what kind of stuff is possible for characters in our setting I don't think that's an inherently unreasonable thing for him to ask people in the thread.

He is being frustrating about it, though.

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Well at least someone understands me a bit

 

[Accelerator]

Fine I give up since from the looks of it no one is going to give me a straight answer even a hypothetical answer like the other person who answered that it's possible to have the durability I want with Stamina/Resistance Charm/Tree whatever it's names is but it would take a long time

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Perfect?

No.

Absurdly durable? Yes.

Able to be undefeatable? No. Eventually, someone will kill you. Even the unstoppable black hole could be imprisoned. the dragon that could define what is and isn't possible was imprisoned. The titans which defined the laws of physics could be killed.

So you can make it hard. But not impossible .

 

[Chehrazad]

@Kinunatzs

Okay.

Exalted is a collaborative storytelling game, as well as a subversion of classical fantasy themes.

The first of these mean that Exalted is supposed to be an effort between the ST (storyteller) and the players in creating an interesting story, and while you can possibly create an interesting story about a being transcending it's earthly nature and becoming unto divinity, this is not the story that Exalted desires to tell. The second of these means that Exalted doesn't work like classical fantasy, it is a game where there are no capital-G God because he got gutted and turned inside out to act like a prison for His siblings, it is a game where Lucifer's Chosen do battle among the ruins of a fallen age and it is a game where divinity remakes heroic mortals into divine Champions that can conquer realms and master the highest secrets of sorcery, yet doesn't endow them with wisdom to act like they should with this power.

What you seek is not something that is appropriate with the themes that Exalted desires to communicate.

But there is something that does indeed tell the story of a being transcending it's mortal nature in order to become a higher being. This is the story of the Infernal, a mortal Chosen for their greatest failure, with the destiny of slowly replacing mortal flesh with Titanic spirit, of sublimating the highest secrets of sorcery directly into their minds and of ultimately surpassing the Primordials that Chose them.

You will not be omnipotent or omniscient.

But you will have power and transcendence.

I would link to something @Aleph once wrote, but I don't really have the time, so I hope this helped.

 

[Graypairofsocks]

This guy existed. He's called Malfeas now. His life is, ultimately, pretty shitty.

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Saying that he was omnipotent or all-powerful is exaggeration.

 

[Sanctaphrax]

It's actually pretty easy to be all-powerful in Exalted. Just be the ST.

Failing that, learn Obsidian Shards of Infinity Style.

Like I said before, Obsidian Shards is superior to the "omnipotence" of many fictional characters.

 

[Kylar]

Now guys, stop being unfair. We could just give him DotFA.

Unerrata'd of course. That would give him exactly what he wants.

 

[Kinunatzs]

Perfect?

No.

Absurdly durable? Yes.

Able to be undefeatable? No. Eventually, someone will kill you. Even the unstoppable black hole could be imprisoned. the dragon that could define what is and isn't possible was imprisoned. The titans which defined the laws of physics could be killed.

So you can make it hard. But not impossible .

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@Kinunatzs

Okay.

Exalted is a collaborative storytelling game, as well as a subversion of classical fantasy themes.

The first of these mean that Exalted is supposed to be an effort between the ST (storyteller) and the players in creating an interesting story, and while you can possibly create an interesting story about a being transcending it's earthly nature and becoming unto divinity, this is not the story that Exalted desires to tell. The second of these means that Exalted doesn't work like classical fantasy, it is a game where there are no capital-G God because he got gutted and turned inside out to act like a prison for His siblings, it is a game where Lucifer's Chosen do battle among the ruins of a fallen age and it is a game where divinity remakes heroic mortals into divine Champions that can conquer realms and master the highest secrets of sorcery, yet doesn't endow them with wisdom to act like they should with this power.

What you seek is not something that is appropriate with the themes that Exalted desires to communicate.

But there is something that does indeed tell the story of a being transcending it's mortal nature in order to become a higher being. This is the story of the Infernal, a mortal Chosen for their greatest failure, with the destiny of slowly replacing mortal flesh with Titanic spirit, of sublimating the highest secrets of sorcery directly into their minds and of ultimately surpassing the Primordials that Chose them.

You will not be omnipotent or omniscient.

But you will have power and transcendence.

I would link to something @Aleph once wrote, but I don't really have the time, so I hope this helped.

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Oh come on just leave it already since I give up in my question right now since no one is give a straight answer even hypothetical one's

 

[Jon Chung]

Fine I give up since from the looks of it no one is going to give me a straight answer even a hypothetical answer like the other person who answered that it's possible to have the durability I want with Stamina/Resistance Charm/Tree whatever it's names is but it would take a long time

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Okay look, it works like this. Exalts are designed to work off active defense. That is, you can have arbitrarily high ratings of toughness or evasiveness or whatever, but only while your mana bar holds out, at which point you are out of magic to power your active defenses and can get murdered by some regular dudes with some big hammers. This is there so that you can kill someone who can achieve arbitrarily high levels of "I can't die". The game is PvP (the antagonists are the same type of thing you are), so you need to be able to do it or there is no game.

You therefore cannot become invincible passively, that would be against the basic design intent. If any means to become invincible passively exist, they are considered to be broken and will be banned if you actively try to use any in an actual game. So the question "Can I become invincible in Exalted" is answered by "No, and if you find out a way to do it regardless, it will promptly be removed, because the bad guys will be able to do it too and then the game is unplayable".

 

[Sanctaphrax]

Oh come on just leave it already since I give up in my question right now since no one is give a straight answer even hypothetical one's

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I literally just gave you two straight answers.

They can't really be tiered normally due to how their abilities work, but that is only at the higher essence levels.
Like when you have access to stuff like: Draw forth one Shard, Shadow Slave Extraction, Sky Breaker Throw, World Scarring Solar Glory, Great Thinker's Defense Maneuver.
That stuff doesn't make them unusable in vs. debates, but it complicates stuff.

Pre-elder essence they don't really make that much problems.

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The issue isn't so much that the powers are too strong or too hard to tier. It's that they're not in line with the rest of the game or acceptable to the fans. They're like an issue of Spiderman where he kills Galactus with eye-lasers.