This is not a valid answer to our posts. What is why he shouldn't be killed? You're not addressing anything I said about literature and the structure of a moral code. You just want Superman to fight evil and always win in the end, and never truly die. That is incompatible with what we are trying to do.
More to the point, you're missing what we are discussing. My fellow collaborators are arguing for the implementation of a succession of Supermen. One dies, another arises, and so on. There is no point in there being a new Superman if the old one is indefatigable. We have seen this as necessary because Silver Age Superman is irreconcilable with the more modern depiction. So the question is no longer "Should Superman be killed?" but "How should it happen?"
Okay, since there seems to be some confusion. When I say "Death of Superman", I am not talking about Superman dying in general, I am talking about the story called Death of Superman, where he fights Doomsday. Superman dying and having successors is perfectly fine, but it should not be an adaptation of Death of Superman because that story is a terrible way to kill off Superman. The Death of Superman story could only ever work if Superman does not actually die.
The reason All Star Superman is the best model to use for Superman's death is because in that story, his Death is one that reinforces the character's core theme.
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I'm sorry, but do you even know that morally grey conflicts exist?
Superman wouldn't be fighting for Evil, true
But neither would be Godzilla
Morally Grey Conflicts can exist, but Superman vs. Godzilla should not be one of them. That is a situation Superman is unambiguously in the right
That is an entirely inaccurate view of the trope. "Gaia's Vengeance" is not at all about Nature being evil. It's about how humanity has finally screwed up so bad that Nature as a sentient force is trying to remove us from the picture. Because WE hurt Nature. Because Humans are in the wrong.
You need to read more closely. I am not saying that the tropes is about Nature being evil. I am saying that if a Storyprotrays Nature as being in opposition to Superman, then Nature is evil in that story.
"There is no scenario," huh? I beg to differ. Superman is a being from another planet who lives here as a force of justice and law enforcement parallel to human governance, but not as an official. He can never truly be an agent for the reasons shown in the movie Hancock. He can fly from star to star, he can lift the unliftable, move the immovable. His level of power triumphs over any obstacle put in his way. So if he should ever decide that the human governments are acting against the human interest, he will act in direct conflict with those governments. If he ever decides that humans are too self-destructive, he will use his almighty power to fix that problem, to put us in a position where we cannot threaten ourselves. Just like any AI programmed to act in humanity's best interests, Superman will not always do what we want him to. He will do what HE wants, and no one can stop him.
No, conquering the world is grossly out of character for Superman.
Feels a bit post apocalyptical if I'm honest. Not against it, I personally think we could combine this with the spirit world also going crazy at the same time, cause of the nonsense Bleach villains and Death Note characters etc are upto.
Aha, we got the sage on side for the sons idea! Now how do you feel about my idea that the Son of Superman being the modern version, the one whose sometimes a bit more mopey and subdued version we see in some modern portrayals?
1. What's your point? Heroes die all the time. And this is a world with like 200 different afterlives, just cause a character is dead doesn't mean they can't have an impact on the story. Maybe Goku and him hang out in heaven whenever Goku dies and waits to get dragon balled back.
2. Again a subjective opinion, not a fact, you need to defend your viewpoints, or you won't convince any of us.
3. I thought you wanted Superman to die, you said as much so that we could have the Legacy thing. What happned?
4. We are just taking the name of the event, and probably the time period, we aren't going to use Doomsday. I think we are leaning towards Godzilla or Sentry.
1. Dying and Being Killed are different thing
2. Superman dying being a victory for Evil will always be a bad story
3. Again, dying and being killed are different things.
4. It's the same issue. The Death of Superman storyline just isn't set up to be an effective send off of the character
The whole point of Godzilla as Gaia's Avenger vs Superman is that they're both right
That Superman is as much justificated to believe that Humanity can improve and become better and stuff and as such fight for them as Godzilla is for thinking that we're egotistical verming that are draining the life out of the planet.
Trying to right that conflict so that they're both in the right is a foolish endeavor, and it is unnecessary. It's okay for Godzilla to be a bad guy for that story
Absolutely THIS. It's what I said before. Godzilla would be drawn to Superman because Godzilla is naturally compelled to oppose disruptions of nature's balance. Superman would fight Godzilla because he sees Godzilla as a threat to mankind. They're both right, neither of them are necessarily wrong, etc.
And what I am telling you if that if Nature considered Superman to be a disruption, then Nature is evil. Superman is the quintessential. No one will read that and think that Nature has point.
Especially since there is literally nothing unnatural about Superman. Nature isn't limited to the Earth
Hmm, I still think the fight should be caused by something. Maybe someone starts a war, maybe with Atlantis, maybe with Wakanda, maybe with everybody. America is involved, so when Godzilla and nature gets riled up, Superman shows up, then all of nature shows up, then superheroes show up, then the villains back home party, it's a big mess.
I don't know, first draft idea, we're just throwing bad ideas at the dart board, seeing what sticks.
You don't need to over complicate it. Godzilla is pissed off at humanity for hurting it, so he attacks. Superman is a superhero, so he defends.