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@Mrbrown1000 for Geneforge, where in the timeline do you see it happening? 5000 BC? 2000 BC? More recent? Earlier?
Ok, I put it early in the Victorian Era. I agree, Victorian era gunpowder is probably less reliable than biological magical machine guns anyway. I wasn't sure what ending you wanted, so I kept it vague, let me know if you want to change anything: Fusionverse The events at Sucia Island@CoreBrute I don't see it happening later than the end of the victorian steampunk age. I think it could also be placed in a more ancient time. However, I think that the prevalence of wiring in Geneforge prevents it from being placed to far back. The lack of gunpowder could be explained away as unneeded. They already have what are effectively biological machine guns in geneforge. I think the best time to place it would probably be towards the end of the elemental era. I could also see it placed towards the end of the disney era or in the Victorian steampunk era.
Well according the JRR Tolkien, Lord of the Rings happened on Earth and ended about 6000 years BC, with the world going through the different ages, and having just entered the 4th age around 1958. So let's just go with that? We can say the different ages from Lord of the Rings radically altered the world, changing the amount of magic and the variety of sentient species that might be born or die out.So where do we want to put The Lord of the Rings series? I think we will probably have to place it on another planet but I don't know if you have any other ideas.
Anything or anyone specific you want from that game in this setting? I've never played it.Another interesting game is the King of Dragon pass game. It is set in the world of glorantha witch is inspired by norse and slavic myth. It does not feature any real world gods or religious figures. I am unsure of how much useful content we can get out of it though.
Given the game is in an iron age setting, it shouldn't be too hard to put it in somewhere in ancient history. It works with the idea that dragons left Tamriel to hide in the normal world (because Tamriel dragons are mostly dicks). What happened to the dragons anyway? It sounds like they stopped living in dragon pass, because otherwise why would the Orlanthi refugees go there and expect to be safe?The most notable event is the Dragonkill War in dragons pass. The Orlanthi people used to be the allies of the dragons and with their help forged an empire refered to as the wyrms friends. Eventually the dragons accused the Orlanthi of a crime against them which they denied. Then the dragons betrayed the Orlanthi. Then several human nations became fearful and decided to invade the land of dragon pass so they could kill the dragons. The dragons slaughtered everyone who invaded. The Orlanthi began to lose power over time after this event. Eventually many of them became refugees and fled to dragons pass out of desperation. The Orlanthi have two principle values. First that no one can make you do something you don't want to do. Second, that no man can live alone.
They are still in dragon pass but few of the dragons in game are the same dragons as the ones from the dragonkill war. I am unsure why the refuges thought they would be safe. I think the first ones where just so desperate that they were willing to chance it. After the first refugees did not all die to dragons more refugees flooded in once they thought it was safe.Given the game is in an iron age setting, it shouldn't be too hard to put it in somewhere in ancient history. It works with the idea that dragons left Tamriel to hide in the normal world (because Tamriel dragons are mostly dicks). What happened to the dragons anyway? It sounds like they stopped living in dragon pass, because otherwise why would the Orlanthi refugees go there and expect to be safe?
So I have skimmed this thread for a bit, and I like the premise of this project. But one thing that keeps bothering me a bit is the fact that a lot of fictional works directly contradict each other. And I don't mean things like Harry Potter's magic system vs Avatar for example. But more from a pure historical point of view. So shows like Legend of Galactic Heroes might be able to be combined with Star Wars stories, but it would be impossible to do so with Star Trek or Futurama with clear established timeline of events. I get the idea that you guys will adapt many origin stories together so that it makes sense, but how would it work exactly for stories that take place in the distant future? In the case where two are two distinct timelines, do you guys just copy paste or do you have to change them? I think one possible solution for this is to set up an ultimate "Crisis on Earth" type of scenario at some point in the 21st century, so that parallel universes can be developed from this singularity point?? I get that we are trying to combine all the canons into one cohesive universe, but I think you can only combine so many before it starts to not making any sense at all.
Another thing I noticed is that the canons chosen here are primarily western fictions plus some manga and anime stuff, which is totally fine, but I do think we are missing out on some other fantastic stories from around the world like the Three Body Problem by Liu CiXin. Finally, I also feel like there is a lack of book stories (Like The Wheel of Time or The Foundation series by Asimov)? I understand that it is easier to focus more on character-based stories, but it would be great if you guys can balance it out a bit.
Anyway, these are my thoughts and I don't know if I am able to contribute to this project. Let me know.
I can help with some foreign fictions that I know of, but I don't know how would you integrate the "East" world with the "West" world considering how different they are in terms of culture, customs, philosophy and so on. Plus, there is a whole other set of stories in East Asia completely separated from Europe
This would not work with Sherlock Holmes for example because the whole series is defined by Sherlock. Does that make sense to you?
I know that there is the whole restriction on deities and other things, but can we pick certain characters from these stories like Sun WuKong? If we can, then which origin story do we choose? the one from the original story or from Dragon Ball? I personally think the original story might be better considering how different it is from other "heroes", but the dragon ball origin would be a lot easier to integrate in my opinion.
Personally, I can help with 12 monkeys, Ultraman series, Doctor Who, legend of galactic heroes, Harry Potter and other lores to name a few. I don't much about Marvel or DC, but I can follow your discussions. Really excited about this project and I hope we can create something marvelous together. Maybe even a fan-made cartoon series based on this someday if we can.
Sun Wukong actually looks safe. He's from a 16th century novel. However, he does interact with existing characters from before, so the Journey To the West won't be included wholesale. We'll have to adapt how he fits, and for the sake of avoiding confusion, Sun Wukong from RWBY probably won't be included. Goku is distinct enough. We can even call him Kakarot or Kakarotto, if need be.
12 monkeys, Ultraman series, Doctor Who, and legend of galactic heroes, are not things I know much about. So I'd love to hear what you've got. I also think you should chat up CoreBrute about Ultraman and Harry Potter, as you share those interests.
I think the standard way we have been dealing with settings with multiple universes is picking one of the and integrating it. Although I suspect that if multiple dimensions was essential to the plot of a series then 5elementsage might handle it differently.So I understand that time travel is also kind of restricted (for now?), therefore 12 monkeys and doctor who can be left aside for the moment. As for ultraman, one thing that I do think it's fascinating is its timeline. The origin story is basically that there was a specie just like humans (or at least extremely similar) who lived in Nebula M78, it was an advanced and prosperous civilization. But one day, an experiment went wrong (I will need to verify this) and all the people ended up absorbing the "light" energy and thus evolving into ultraman. They have traveled across the universe to explore new stuff and protect the weaks from the hostiles. One thing that might be complicated to integrate is its multiverse system. As of today, ultraman series has one "canon" universe and several other parallel universes with different forms of ultraman. So I don't know how we can fit all these parallel universes into one storyline. But I do think that ultraman needs to be present across eras in order for it to make sense? Another point to consider is how mecha fictions can easily fit in with the ultraman series. Like for example Gundam are humans' response in order to defend themselves against kaiju? I don't know enough of Gundam and maybe someone else can help me with this.
I don't see why we can't integrate the East and West world, given the two are integrated in real life, but we can always examine on a case by case basis.@CoreBrute
Thanks for responding to my thoughts. You really clarified a lot on the whole canon integration thing. It does make a lot of sense to slightly change the origin stories or other elements in order to fit them together because otherwise it would be nearly impossible to continue this project. I can help with some foreign fictions that I know of, but I don't know how would you integrate the "East" world with the "West" world considering how different they are in terms of culture, customs, philosophy and so on. Plus, there is a whole other set of stories in East Asia completely separated from Europe So I think the Disney Era needs to be more than just Disney movies? Like I know this is way too early to even discuss, but I would personally call it the "Fantasy Era" so that it would be more generalized?? Anyway the name is not too important, but I think it needs to be renamed later on. Because I assume that most fantasy stories like Lord of the Rings will or the Wheel of Time will happen in the Disney Era?
As for the character-based stories, I mean stories that contain characters who define the series as a whole, like spiderman or batman or Harry Potter. They are who drive the main plots forward. But there are other stories in which the story itself is more important than the main character, like mystery-solving stories where major events happen to a character who can be replaced by other fictional characters and it wouldn't make too much of a difference. This would not work with Sherlock Holmes for example because the whole series is defined by Sherlock. Does that make sense to you?
That makes a lot of sense if Mars was moved. The people of Mars was at war with Mars for at least the 20th to early 21st century, I could definitely seeing the peace out once Earth got too Apocalypse heavy.Also I don't know if you guys watched The Wandering Earth, it is based on a chinese sci-fi short story where basically humanity has built massive engines on the surface of Earth in order to move to another solar system because the Sun was cooling down or something. I think we could potentially set this up right before the Apocalypse Now era, but instead of Earth, humanity will move Mars (or an artificial planet) away (Mars already has a human colony if I remember correctly?)because Earth would be about to be infested with nuclear breakouts or zombies and other things because of the Sun anomaly. And after centuries, they return to Earth because Sun has become stable again and thus begins the Plus Ultra Era?
If we could do it without getting sued into oblivion, that would be the dream.Personally, I can help with 12 monkeys, Ultraman series, Doctor Who, legend of galactic heroes, Harry Potter and other lores to name a few. I don't much about Marvel or DC, but I can follow your discussions. Really excited about this project and I hope we can create something marvelous together. Maybe even a fan-made cartoon series based on this someday if we can.
I thought your magic system included Wuxia stuff? You incorporated some of my Kinds of Magic post right (also could you threadmark that please?) including the bit about Cultivators? The ones who combine external magic with their internal magic and combine them in their bodies. This is basically how most Wuxia stuff is explained, by cultivating the Qi/Chi inside oneself with the stuff in the external world. So we don't need different parts of the world where the rules of magic are different, we can just say these are different styles and cultivation is more popular in Eastern regions.Well, I think the key is not for them to be separate. The "East World" isn't going to be isolated from the rest of the continuity. But there will be conflicts of interest. Places where wuxia rules apply more than western systems, and vice versa. We'll just have to play that by ear.
As for ultraman, one thing that I do think it's fascinating is its timeline. The origin story is basically that there was a specie just like humans (or at least extremely similar) who lived in Nebula M78, it was an advanced and prosperous civilization. But one day, an experiment went wrong (I will need to verify this) and all the people ended up absorbing the "light" energy and thus evolving into ultraman. They have traveled across the universe to explore new stuff and protect the weaks from the hostiles. One thing that might be complicated to integrate is its multiverse system. As of today, ultraman series has one "canon" universe and several other parallel universes with different forms of ultraman. So I don't know how we can fit all these parallel universes into one storyline. But I do think that ultraman needs to be present across eras in order for it to make sense? Another point to consider is how mecha fictions can easily fit in with the ultraman series. Like for example Gundam are humans' response in order to defend themselves against kaiju? I don't know enough of Gundam and maybe someone else can help me with this.
Could always do Royal Road or Wattpad. So just putting up a story with copyrighted characters isn't a problem, as long as you aren't profiting from it. Wattpad actually paid someone to turn their popular Harry Styles fanfiction into an original story with original names, and that's being made into (or has already been made into) a movie. So in that case, after playing around with the world and writing in it, you can change the names to non-copyright infringing ones and make a brand new world. George R Martin did that with the rpg he played with his writer friends to make Wild Cards.To address everyone's thoughts about where this project is going, the possibility is still there that this may have to be shut down in the future. It's a very cumbersome project, and aside from using a site like Fanfiction.net, odds are we'd get a C&D from some company. But if we do end up getting it "finished" as much as possible, then my going plan would be to write it as a series of short stories or novellas. I don't have the skills or wherewithal to make a webcomic and especially not an animation. BUT...
Regarding the Wuxia aspect, I was mostly operating off of the rules from Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach. Proper Wuxia hasn't really been integrated in a formal sense. I don't have a strong enough grasp of the material, having not watched many mystical movies growing up. Maybe someone else here has?
I don't remember puss and boots being worked on yet. So here is some brainstorming on it.
There are two main puss and boots tales. The dreamworks movie and the traditional one.
The dreamworks movie takes place in the Spanish western america. I presume that it probably take place in California. The time period is probably in either the late 1700's or mid 1800's. This is also the same time period that Zorro probably happened in so we could potentially see crossover elements between the two. The basic plot is an orphan cat becomes the town hero and is awarded boots. His friend causes him to become a criminal. So he flees. He eventually gets involved in a scheme to steal the goose that lays the golden eggs from the castle at the top of a magic beanstalk.
The Traditional tale has a lot of small variations. The basic story is a millers third son inherits his fathers cat. The cat is intelligent and offers to give him his wildest dreams if he only can get boots. When the cat gets boot he gets the ability to transform into a human. So then the cat starts poaching and sending the poached animals as gifts to the king while pretending that he is a servant of the marquis of Carabbas. He then learns that the king is about to travel so he convinces his master to strip naked in a river in the route and pretend to have been robbed. Then He has his master pose as the marquis of Carabbas in the court. There he helps him woo the princess and begins to spread rumors that he has a fine stable of Arabian horses and a castle of a thousand rooms. The princess falls in love. However, the king insists on seeing the marquis domain to ensure that he is a suitable match for his daughter. The cat asks to head out a day before to ensure the castle is ready and a feast is prepared. He heads to lands of an evil Ogre/shapeshifter. On the way he ensures that the peasants are instructed to tell anyone who asks that the land is owned by the marquis of carabbas. He convinces them by telling them that the ogre had been given that title. He rides to the castle and informs the gatekeepers that he has good news for the ogre. He flatters the ogre and informs him that he had been named the marquis of Carabbas and was now a noble. He continued to flatter him and asked him to show off what magnificent creatures he could transform into. The ogre asked for a celebration feast to be prepared. After much flattery, Puss asked the ogre if he could turn into mouse. Because a truly great shapeshifter could transform into both the mightiest and smallest animals. When the ogre turned to a mouse, Puss in boots turned into a cat and ate him. Then the king arrived, the feast was eaten, they were married, and they lived happily ever after.
The time for the traditional one could be placed anywhere from the 1000's up to the mid 1700's and work out.
For things that happen so distantly in the past, I came up with the idea My History Book is a Storybook with tweaks. Basically the Disney/Brother Grimm stories are based on real events, but what actually happened is lost to time. So there are points that are exaggerated, or false. For example, did the Step Sisters from Cinderalla cut off their toes to fit into the glass slippers or not? Did Ariel live happily ever after or did she get turned into sea foam? Just like real history, we have a general idea when the stories/events took place but the specifics are lost to us due to retellings. I say keep it vague if it's unclear. Remember, a lot of history was recorded orally, which means some variations can occur.The issue of how to deal with multiple stories that share the same name is a interesting one. Here I handle them as completely distinct stories. But, I wonder if we should generalize it. We could integrate the base myths behind many of the Disney movies separately if we wanted to. For example, We could have the snow queen be a part of the fusionverse in addition to frozen. Or we could have a separate beast who had done nothing wrong and was cursed by a malicious witch instead.
Damn that's right. Lego. How do we want to do that? Do we go with Lego Movie logic and say they all happen in a dream reality, powered by the hope and imagination of a kid? Do we say it's real somehow?Are we planning on adding the Lego knights/castles plotline to the legoverse?
I don't think there is a way for me to allow extra authors on my world anvil timeline but I will double check. If you have stuff you want to add, write it up and tag me in the post, or PM it to me, so I can put it in.I think that to keep things a bit more organized I might add new series that I think of to an earlier post and just mention whenever I add stuff to it. I realized that sometimes I forget that I have already suggested a series and almost suggest them again. I also think that some of the series that only add a small amount are more useful now because we can add them to the timeline if we want to. If we decide to go that route, I would not mind adding minor easy to integrate series to the timeline if CoreBrute is okay with it. If they are, then I can make a world navil account to help over there too.
The latter Puss in Boots could have been an escapee from Dr Moreau's island, as an attempt at giving animals human like qualities, who took his name from the magical Puss in Boots from legends. We might need to play around with the exact timelines so we can get the Island experiments and the Puss in Boots to line up (Dr Moreau's experiments were sometime in the 1800s), but we certainly could do it.
Damn that's right. Lego. How do we want to do that? Do we go with Lego Movie logic and say they all happen in a dream reality, powered by the hope and imagination of a kid? Do we say it's real somehow?
I don't know anything of Lego Knights/Castles, so I'm fairly easy going on this.